[quote]novaeer wrote:
Oops. That remark about the chains was a typo. When I first typed the reply, the comment about chains was in a different sentence and it ended up there and I didn’t delete it.
As an aside, if your lockout is stronger than your off-the-floor strength, keep the chains on and do the lift from a deficit. That way, you can basically target two parts of the pull at once.
elliotnewman1 wrote:
Thanks for the reply…you brought some interesting points up there! I actually used chains on my speed deads today and my speed was definintely better than usual.
I only have one question, and at this moment in time i dont see where you coming from by saying chains can kill your lower end strength!? If the %ages are kept the same then the weight at the bottom of the movement is the same as without chains…so why would the chains hurt your strength at the bottom of the movement?
Other than that everything you say makes sense. Im not gona introduce bands yet, im gona master using chains first. This was my first week of using them and they seem to do as expected…increase speed on DE day
Thanks
Elliot
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Thanks for clearing that up. I was very surprised by the effect the chains had on my deadlift. I was only using 42% and witout really thinking about it my speed seemed a lot faster. Yet when i tried to speed the deadlift up without chains my form wasn’t 100%. Wierd eh?
I do pull sumo and i reckon that the sumo is more of a slow squeeze off the floor than the conventional dead, yet with the chains there was a definite improvement in speed.
Anyway, now thats sorted i need to fix my squat…doesn’t seem to be moving as quick as my bench and deadlift
Elliot
[quote]Kalle wrote:
Nice! I just got a couple pretty fat ones on my stomach last week! Its like I had a baby or something. It was confusing me at first since I have lost a few pounds lately, but I think it was from using my belt during farmers walks and box squats last week, lots of abdominal pressure… Oh well.
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I hear ya… My bulk did not induce stretch marks on my chest, delts or bis… No, they are on my upper thighs - several front and back - right where the legs end/start. I must not have used enough taint buffing.
[quote]teotjunk wrote:
Kalle wrote:
Push presses!! Since switching my training to strongman training, pretty much all overhead and push presses just about every week my shoulders have gotten ALOT bigger.
So if I had to chose between push presses and overhead presses which would be better ?
teotjunk[/quote]
Why choose one or the other?
cycle both in and out.
Push Presses are good becuase you can use more weight.
[quote]4est wrote:
Kalle wrote:
Nice! I just got a couple pretty fat ones on my stomach last week! Its like I had a baby or something. It was confusing me at first since I have lost a few pounds lately, but I think it was from using my belt during farmers walks and box squats last week, lots of abdominal pressure… Oh well.
I hear ya… My bulk did not induce stretch marks on my chest, delts or bis… No, they are on my upper thighs - several front and back - right where the legs end/start. I must not have used enough taint buffing.[/quote]
I think I am just one big stretch mark…
I got some massive ones all the way across the middle of my back I got when I was 13 or 14 from trying to lift a 4wheeler out of the mud…
A) Flat Bench
barx40
95x20
135x12
185x8
225x3x3 (speed)
275x3
315x6 (feeling weak as shit)
B) Close Grip Bench
225x15
225x10
225x4 (no recovery ability)
C) DB Shoulder Press
60x12
75x8
75x4
D) Rope Triceps Pushdown
60x8
70x8
80x8
Ack. I got nothin’. Man, I think yesterday’s DL session whipped me hard. I was going to go for a rep PR on bench at 315, and there was just nothing there.
Even with 3 minutes between close grip sets, I had no recovery ability.
I aborted the DB shoulders after the 75’s felt heavier than the 100’s last week.
I’m calling yesterday the end of a training cycle, and today the beginning of a deload. This was a disaster, and I can’t do anything but laugh about it.
Thanks again for everyone’s comments on my Deadlift PR, it’s great to have such a supportive group of guys.
[quote]teotjunk wrote:
Kalle wrote:
Push presses!! Since switching my training to strongman training, pretty much all overhead and push presses just about every week my shoulders have gotten ALOT bigger.
So presses are better than raises ? I was watching the Westside tapes and it seems that they recommend raises quite highly
teotjunk[/quote]
I agree push presses rack lock outs HEAVY stuff should be the base with smaller moves thrown in as finishers.
Just the HIGH loads of the push presses etc will cause those tris to get STRONG
Man dont quote me on this but yes neutral grip is easier to keep elbows tucked in, letting you better use your tris after the initial drive and in that tucked position your shoulders are in a much stronger position under less strain.
Less of a weight on the end of a lever Thing holding a bat by the end out at an angle or straight up. A lot more strain when its out. so your front delts just have to rotate Up and if you press though the head and then tuck under it your at a great advantage in comparison
You might try and thumbless grip on the BB and axle pressing if your hands will allow it it will let you tuck easier. Of course will have to make the switch after you clean it or simply take it off a rack
Phill
[quote]Kalle wrote:
I swear I just fell more comfortable with the neutral grip, easy on my wrists, easier to keep my elbows high for good leg drive, plus with my small hands I can’t get a grip on the axle.
[quote]teotjunk wrote:
I have another question. Which part do most of you train first, shoulders or lats.?I used to train the shoulders first and then the lats because that’s the order was prescribed when I first read the Periodization Bible II.
I switched the order around and trained my lats first when I discovered I was sticking at the bottom of the lift and I read some later articles by Dave that recommended training the lats first. However lately I have discovered that I am sticking at the middle of the lift of my bench press and hence I suspect that it is my should muscles that limiting factor
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We train moves not muscles then the acc work after. Train you BIG moves then hit your acc for your weakness make it priority. If thats your shoulder hit them next
[quote]teotjunk wrote:
Kalle wrote:
Push presses!! Since switching my training to strongman training, pretty much all overhead and push presses just about every week my shoulders have gotten ALOT bigger.
So if I had to chose between push presses and overhead presses which would be better ?
teotjunk[/quote]
Both. Hit the OH presses strict and when the loads get high start pushing. Control that heavy ass load on the way down. Youll really smoke your shoulders and tri’s with that combo
[quote]c. wrote:
Kalle wrote:
trying to lift a 4wheeler out of the mud…
2nd gear, full throttle, pop clutch and GO!
lifting it outa the mud…jeeese.
c.
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It was a little 250cc work quad…
I had a nice mud pit in the back 60. When I’d get stuck I would just lift the back end out of the rut…
Well I bought some super swampers for it and went to test them out. After HOURS of fun when I finally got stuck I had churned all the mud up so much that the thing was stuck up to the fenders! Me without thinking tried to lift it out for a good 20 minutes confused on why it wouldn’t budge… I ended up walking the LONG walk home covered in over 100lbs of mud after fucking my back up.
OK two weeks out be4fore the event and the damn weather is not playing nice so making some changes to this last week of training before I take the 5 days off pror to the event
Today supposed to be full on events but it raining like hell so Ill do what i can hit the log a LOT try and find a push for my press, maybe some heavy farmer out the door through the rain and back. and I dont know yoke or some shit
then will do Upper and lower ME on monday hit a squat and press heavy
from there will be all event work tuesday light for speed form, seeing as I just did the ME stuff. Thursday more events, Saturday more the same last big push and a week off with active rest prob mainly just working on the house and thinking of the puke fest it wll be draggin a 18,000 lb truck, doing farmers, unlimited time for distance, tire flipping, yoke run argh!!!
The thinking I aint going to get much stronger in the next two weeks but I can get Good at these implements a few ive only touch a couple times on real runs like farmers. This event aside from the log is all sick ass endurance so I need to work on just GOING!!! get that speed up. Not a HEAVY event but prob very well suited for coming back from my injury.
Then post event get back to the regularly scheduled programming
Oh and my damn ass still hurts not near as bad but… Meat do ya have any of that witch doctor rub like your vaginitis cream for an achin ass??
Push Presses are good becuase you can use more weight.[/quote]
I currently utilize 3 exercise for my accessory muscles for my shoulders
barbell and dumbell raise, and barbell overhead press
Of course I can easily switch it to all overhead press and push presses but the impression that I get from Dave’s articles on West Side is that they focus more on raises
[quote]Phill wrote:
OK two weeks out be4fore the event and the damn weather is not playing nice so making some changes to this last week of training before I take the 5 days off pror to the event
Today supposed to be full on events but it raining like hell so Ill do what i can hit the log a LOT try and find a push for my press, maybe some heavy farmer out the door through the rain and back. and I dont know yoke or some shit
then will do Upper and lower ME on monday hit a squat and press heavy
from there will be all event work tuesday light for speed form, seeing as I just did the ME stuff. Thursday more events, Saturday more the same last big push and a week off with active rest prob mainly just working on the house and thinking of the puke fest it wll be draggin a 18,000 lb truck, doing farmers, unlimited time for distance, tire flipping, yoke run argh!!!
The thinking I aint going to get much stronger in the next two weeks but I can get Good at these implements a few ive only touch a couple times on real runs like farmers. This event aside from the log is all sick ass endurance so I need to work on just GOING!!! get that speed up. Not a HEAVY event but prob very well suited for coming back from my injury.
Then post event get back to the regularly scheduled programming
Oh and my damn ass still hurts not near as bad but… Meat do ya have any of that witch doctor rub like your vaginitis cream for an achin ass??
Phill
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Sounds like a good plan of attack,
I will be doing tire flips and stones tommarow…
Did I read that right that one of the events is max distance farmers with unlimited time?! FUCK THAT! How much per hand?? Does not sound like a fun event…
[quote]Phill wrote:
teotjunk wrote:
Kalle wrote:
Push presses!! Since switching my training to strongman training, pretty much all overhead and push presses just about every week my shoulders have gotten ALOT bigger.
So if I had to chose between push presses and overhead presses which would be better ?
teotjunk
Both. Hit the OH presses strict and when the loads get high start pushing. Control that heavy ass load on the way down. Youll really smoke your shoulders and tri’s with that combo
Phill
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Agreed, I beat my shoulders up pretty bad doing push presses and letting the weight come crashing down on me.
It took more than a month worth of ART and no shoulder pressing for 5+ months. Push presses are a great exercise, but be careful with your shoulders. If they start to ache on a regular basis, be ready to back off.
[quote]Phill wrote:
OK two weeks out be4fore the event and the damn weather is not playing nice so making some changes to this last week of training before I take the 5 days off pror to the event
Today supposed to be full on events but it raining like hell so Ill do what i can hit the log a LOT try and find a push for my press, maybe some heavy farmer out the door through the rain and back. and I dont know yoke or some shit
then will do Upper and lower ME on monday hit a squat and press heavy
from there will be all event work tuesday light for speed form, seeing as I just did the ME stuff. Thursday more events, Saturday more the same last big push and a week off with active rest prob mainly just working on the house and thinking of the puke fest it wll be draggin a 18,000 lb truck, doing farmers, unlimited time for distance, tire flipping, yoke run argh!!!
The thinking I aint going to get much stronger in the next two weeks but I can get Good at these implements a few ive only touch a couple times on real runs like farmers. This event aside from the log is all sick ass endurance so I need to work on just GOING!!! get that speed up. Not a HEAVY event but prob very well suited for coming back from my injury.
Then post event get back to the regularly scheduled programming
Oh and my damn ass still hurts not near as bad but… Meat do ya have any of that witch doctor rub like your vaginitis cream for an achin ass??
Phill
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Sounds like a blast. And I think your train of thought is dead on. Tough to improve strength much over the next couple of weeks, but you certainly can improve your technique, especially in events you haven’t had much experience with.
Oh, and I think Meat said something about Summer’s Eve and a tampon…
I was thinking of using exercises that all involves barbells instead of dumbells . Currently for my lats I am using dumbell rows, barbell rows and lat pull.
Any suggestion for replacing the dumbell rows ? I know there is the chest supported rows but I don’t have that kind of equipment in my gym
[quote]teotjunk wrote:
I was thinking of using exercises that all involves barbells instead of dumbells . Currently for my lats I am using dumbell rows, barbell rows and lat pull.
Any suggestion for replacing the dumbell rows ? I know there is the chest supported rows but I don’t have that kind of equipment in my gym
teotjunk
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Why? 1 arm DB rows are my favorite back exercise besides DL’s
[quote]Kalle wrote:
teotjunk wrote:
I was thinking of using exercises that all involves barbells instead of dumbells . Currently for my lats I am using dumbell rows, barbell rows and lat pull.
Any suggestion for replacing the dumbell rows ? I know there is the chest supported rows but I don’t have that kind of equipment in my gym
teotjunk
Why? 1 arm DB rows are my favorite back exercise besides DL’s[/quote]
Someone who competed regularly at national level for powerlifting advised me to switch to barbells when ever possible.
then the acc work after. Train you BIG moves then hit your acc for your weakness make it priority. If thats your shoulder hit them next