Weighing Yourself Every Day

Training
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[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:

Im aware what bulking is and what it requires. Ive been bulking for 4 years up until now. At the point im at now, the best way for me to continue packing on muscle and developing my physique (and i think this goes for everyone) going forward is to strip away the fat, reveal ALL the muscle and truly assess my weaknesses. This is why i think its important to come down to a low bf% every once in a while after making significant progress, whether you plan on competing or not.

Someone who is not willing to do this is what i consider a “perma-bulker.” [/quote]

But…you won’t have any idea when it is time for someone else to diet down.

I am very glad I did not get into dropping weight to leaner levels until I added more muscle mass.
This is all individual…and making this label makes as much sense as calling a newb a “never gonna gain muscle lifter”.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:

Im aware what bulking is and what it requires. Ive been bulking for 4 years up until now. At the point im at now, the best way for me to continue packing on muscle and developing my physique (and i think this goes for everyone) going forward is to strip away the fat, reveal ALL the muscle and truly assess my weaknesses. This is why i think its important to come down to a low bf% every once in a while after making significant progress, whether you plan on competing or not.

Someone who is not willing to do this is what i consider a “perma-bulker.” [/quote]

But…you won’t have any idea when it is tiome for someone else to diet down.

I am very glad I did not get into dropping weight to leaner levels until I added more muscle mass.
This is all individual…and making this label makes as much sense as calling a newb a “never gonna gain muscle lifter”.[/quote]

How could a newb ever be a “never gonna gain lifter?” He is new, he hasnt lifted long enough to have any label affixed to him other than that. Not the same thing.

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[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:

Im aware what bulking is and what it requires. Ive been bulking for 4 years up until now. At the point im at now, the best way for me to continue packing on muscle and developing my physique (and i think this goes for everyone) going forward is to strip away the fat, reveal ALL the muscle and truly assess my weaknesses. This is why i think its important to come down to a low bf% every once in a while after making significant progress, whether you plan on competing or not.

Someone who is not willing to do this is what i consider a “perma-bulker.” [/quote]

But…you won’t have any idea when it is tiome for someone else to diet down.

I am very glad I did not get into dropping weight to leaner levels until I added more muscle mass.
This is all individual…and making this label makes as much sense as calling a newb a “never gonna gain muscle lifter”.[/quote]

How could a newb ever be a “never gonna gain lifter?” He is new, he hasnt lifted long enough to have any label affixed to him other than that. Not the same thing.
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Exactly. How is a huge lifter carrying a little more body fat (obviously we are not talking about obese people here) gonna be a “perma-bulker” unless you know his overall goals?

It is very much the same thing. Both labels would be claiming to know the INTENT and FINAL GOAL of a person without knowing them based ONLY on how they look right now.

They are the same concepts.

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[quote]zraw wrote:
I am with Stu on this. Weight yourself everyday…

Imo the “playing with your head” thing is kinda stupid when you actually KNOW that your weight cant fluctuate a lot in a single day so…

I’d rather have 49 readings to see if there’s a certain pattern as opposed to 7…[/quote]

I agree with ZRAW and Stu.

I’ve been weighing myself daily for years. I don’t freak out over fluctuations. Rather, I use them as a learning tool and relate the fluctuations to things that occured diet and training wise the day prior.

I use the 7 daily readings for a weekly average to track progress whether cutting or bulking.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:

Im aware what bulking is and what it requires. Ive been bulking for 4 years up until now. At the point im at now, the best way for me to continue packing on muscle and developing my physique (and i think this goes for everyone) going forward is to strip away the fat, reveal ALL the muscle and truly assess my weaknesses. This is why i think its important to come down to a low bf% every once in a while after making significant progress, whether you plan on competing or not.

Someone who is not willing to do this is what i consider a “perma-bulker.” [/quote]

But…you won’t have any idea when it is tiome for someone else to diet down.

I am very glad I did not get into dropping weight to leaner levels until I added more muscle mass.
This is all individual…and making this label makes as much sense as calling a newb a “never gonna gain muscle lifter”.[/quote]

How could a newb ever be a “never gonna gain lifter?” He is new, he hasnt lifted long enough to have any label affixed to him other than that. Not the same thing.
[/quote]

Exactly. How is a huge lifter carrying a little more body fat (obviously we are not talking about obese people here) gonna be a “perma-bulker” unless you know his overall goals?

It is very much the same thing. Both labels would be claiming to know the INTENT and FINAL GOAL of a person without knowing them based ONLY on how they look right now.

They are the same concepts.[/quote]

I use the name perma-bulker based on what someone has done, not what they are going to do. The same can not be said about any name you can affix to a “newb” other than the fact that they have done nothing yet.

I dont claim to know anyones intent here, though i would assume the final goal is to have the best physique possible if you are into bodybuilding. Being lean is not just about doing a competition. Getting genuinely lean (lets say 10%) is necessary after a time to provide perspective and accurate critical assessment. That is the time when weighing yourself every day and taking a more measured approach is most important IMO. This is also the reason i didnt decide to continue bulking for another few years even though my progress was still swift.

If you dont think thats a necessary or useful step, so be it. Different strokes for different folks. I think a lot of it comes down to it just being easier to bulk than to do a strict cut.

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[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:

I use the name perma-bulker based on what someone has done, not what they are going to do. The same can not be said about any name you can affix to a “newb” other than the fact that they have done nothing yet.
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? You do realize these are the same concepts? You really don’t get it, do you?

How is what someone has done going to let you in on their goals? “perma-bulker” implies someone will never diet down or has any plans to. I doubt most of the guys you have thrown this label at would agree with that.

Who said dieting isn’t useful…AFTER THE SIZE IS BUILT?

What I see is guys who aren’t really muscular yet focusing on leanness to the point that it keeps them from ever getting very big.

Genetics count as well…and the simple fact is, if YOU alone don’t have the genes to get really big and are just now gaining fat, then of course you might want to diet.

But don’t worry about the guy with better genes next to you who has his eyes set on hitting an “extreme” body size. He won’t get there if his goal is on dieting down before he gets nears that goal.

No one is saying dieting isn’t useful.

What is being said is make sure you actually built something first. There aren’t that many “swole” people here to be acting like everyone is down the street from dieting for a competition.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:

I use the name perma-bulker based on what someone has done, not what they are going to do. The same can not be said about any name you can affix to a “newb” other than the fact that they have done nothing yet.
[/quote]

? You do realize these are the same concepts? You really don’t get it, do you?

How is what someone has done going to let you in on their goals? “perma-bulker” implies someone will never diet down or has any plans to. I doubt most of the guys you have thrown this label at would agree with that.

Who said dieting isn’t useful…AFTER THE SIZE IS BUILT?

What I see is guys who aren’t really muscular yet focusing on leanness to the point that it keeps them from ever getting very big.

Genetics count as well…and the simple fact is, if YOU alone don’t have the genes to get really big and are just now gaining fat, then of course you might want to diet.

But don’t worry about the guy with better genes next to you who has his eyes set on hitting an “extreme” body size. He won’t get there if his goal is on dieting down before he gets nears that goal.

No one is saying dieting isn’t useful.

What is being said is make sure you actually built something first. There aren’t that many “swole” people here to be acting like everyone is down the street from dieting for a competition.[/quote]

Uh, no they are not the same concept.

For someone accusing me of assuming too much, you sure do assume quite a bit on your own.

I didnt know the OE Dictionary had a definition for “perma-bulker”

Just cause you define it as someone who never will diet down, doesnt mean i do. However, someone who HAS NEVER (see? We’re talking about what HAS been done. Not what you claim to do in the future) dieted down…thats another story. I thought i made this pretty clear in my last post. I dont know why i bother trying to have any debate with you. Picking and choosing little bits and pieces to build straw-men with seems to be what your interested in here. I dont desire to clutter up OP’s thread with another Dr. X argument that couldnt be conducted civilly.

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[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:
At the end of the day i have to say that precision always needs to be greater when your seriously dieting rather than bulking. I eat so much when im all out bulking that i could go weeks without ever being able to get a true morning weight. My weight can fluctuate (as you also stated) by close to 8lbs day in and day out.
[/quote]

I hope your cut goes well.

I hate the terms cut and bulk.

So once your diet is over and the focus is on LBM, I’d take the same precision to eating for growth.

No more of those 8lb fluctuations!

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[quote]austin_bicep wrote:

[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:
At the end of the day i have to say that precision always needs to be greater when your seriously dieting rather than bulking. I eat so much when im all out bulking that i could go weeks without ever being able to get a true morning weight. My weight can fluctuate (as you also stated) by close to 8lbs day in and day out.
[/quote]

I hope your cut goes well.

I hate the terms cut and bulk.

So once your diet is over and the focus is on LBM, I’d take the same precision to eating for growth.

No more of those 8lb fluctuations![/quote]

Thanks

This is likely going to be the case when i begin “lean bulking” at the end of spring… Yes i bulked hard and put on about 110 lbs over the last 4 years, and i feel it was unnecessary to really worry about the contents of what i was eating, however ive gotten to the point where i just cant eat like that anymore without a significant portion of it turning into fat.

Its still gonna be a great feeling when this cut is over with, but i will definitely be measuring my food intake the same i am now.

It also took this long for me to realize that whether at 10 or 20 percent body fat, if im careful and smart in my approach i can gain muscle at pretty much the same rate. Hell, did you ever think youd be repping out 315 for 11 reps on bench while dieting as hard as you are?

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[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:

[quote]austin_bicep wrote:

[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:
At the end of the day i have to say that precision always needs to be greater when your seriously dieting rather than bulking. I eat so much when im all out bulking that i could go weeks without ever being able to get a true morning weight. My weight can fluctuate (as you also stated) by close to 8lbs day in and day out.
[/quote]

I hope your cut goes well.

I hate the terms cut and bulk.

So once your diet is over and the focus is on LBM, I’d take the same precision to eating for growth.

No more of those 8lb fluctuations![/quote]

Thanks

This is likely going to be the case when i begin “lean bulking” at the end of spring… Yes i bulked hard and put on about 110 lbs over the last 4 years, and i feel it was unnecessary to really worry about the contents of what i was eating, however ive gotten to the point where i just cant eat like that anymore without a significant portion of it turning into fat.

Its still gonna be a great feeling when this cut is over with, but i will definitely be measuring my food intake the same i am now.

It also took this long for me to realize that whether at 10 or 20 percent body fat, if im careful and smart in my approach i can gain muscle at pretty much the same rate. Hell, did you ever think youd be repping out 315 for 11 reps on bench while dieting as hard as you are?[/quote]

You should be able to grow better at lower body fat…I’m not talking super low, but lean…It’s because your hormones work better, insulin, GH, more testosterone, less estrogen…

Yea I always expect big things from myself. Only reason I’d get weaker is change in leverages from inches off the torso. Otherwise I’ve been pretty strong, maybe even stronger, training intensity has been killer.

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[quote]austin_bicep wrote:

[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:

[quote]austin_bicep wrote:

[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:
At the end of the day i have to say that precision always needs to be greater when your seriously dieting rather than bulking. I eat so much when im all out bulking that i could go weeks without ever being able to get a true morning weight. My weight can fluctuate (as you also stated) by close to 8lbs day in and day out.
[/quote]

I hope your cut goes well.

I hate the terms cut and bulk.

So once your diet is over and the focus is on LBM, I’d take the same precision to eating for growth.

No more of those 8lb fluctuations![/quote]

Thanks

This is likely going to be the case when i begin “lean bulking” at the end of spring… Yes i bulked hard and put on about 110 lbs over the last 4 years, and i feel it was unnecessary to really worry about the contents of what i was eating, however ive gotten to the point where i just cant eat like that anymore without a significant portion of it turning into fat.

Its still gonna be a great feeling when this cut is over with, but i will definitely be measuring my food intake the same i am now.

It also took this long for me to realize that whether at 10 or 20 percent body fat, if im careful and smart in my approach i can gain muscle at pretty much the same rate. Hell, did you ever think youd be repping out 315 for 11 reps on bench while dieting as hard as you are?[/quote]

You should be able to grow better at lower body fat…I’m not talking super low, but lean…It’s because your hormones work better, insulin, GH, more testosterone, less estrogen…

Yea I always expect big things from myself. Only reason I’d get weaker is change in leverages from inches off the torso. Otherwise I’ve been pretty strong, maybe even stronger, training intensity has been killer.[/quote]

Yeah, its this hormone manipulation that im utilizing now that is allowing me to at the very least maintain my strength while on a strict diet. No matter what the goal, bulk, recomp, cut, from here on out i will always build my eating habits around this principle. 6 weeks in and all my lifts have stayed the same across the board or gotten slightly stronger.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:

[quote]infinite_shore wrote:
Do it every day. Useful patterns will emerge if diet & cardio is regimented enough.

If it fucks with your head, it is high time you learn to deal with it. It will make you a better BBer.[/quote]

This.

I have a feeling its the perma-bulkers that have an issue with weighing themselves every day. [/quote]

I think some of these concepts need to change.

the reality is, it takes YEARS to get really big. It takes a full on focus on packing n that size and not letting it go. Dropping weight needs to be monitored because the most likely outcome is a loss in muscle mass of at least half and half fat and muscle tissue.

I am not sure what a “perma-bulker” even is especially considering most of the really big guys here who have bulked up are now carrying less body fat if they managed to actually get really big.

If this is “permabulk” status, so be it. Most people tend to see muscle.

I now don’t have to weigh myself everyday when dropping weight because I am, aware of how much my body can fluctuate in body weight once carbs are decreased. Seeing an 8lbs decrease could cause many people to throw on the breaks…unless that kind of loss is “normal” for that person.[/quote]

dont know about you guys but my definition of a perma-bulker isnt someone whos never gonna cut down. but its someone who has maintained a high level of bodyfat for a long or unnecessary amount of time.

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consistently, the best looking people I’ve seen on these sites track their macros, then increase or decrease them a bit depending on what they’re trying to accomplish

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@Brown disaster and Ryan B, X2 to both of you.

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[quote]browndisaster wrote:
consistently, the best looking people I’ve seen on these sites track their macros, then increase or decrease them a bit depending on what they’re trying to accomplish[/quote]

this is strictly my opinion, but if your not even atleast tracking protein and calories than your not very serious about your nutrition.

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[quote]browndisaster wrote:
consistently, the best looking people I’ve seen on these sites track their macros, then increase or decrease them a bit depending on what they’re trying to accomplish[/quote]

In all fairness, there are plenty of people who look like they’ve never worked out who also track their macros.

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[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:

[quote]austin_bicep wrote:

[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:

[quote]austin_bicep wrote:

[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:
At the end of the day i have to say that precision always needs to be greater when your seriously dieting rather than bulking. I eat so much when im all out bulking that i could go weeks without ever being able to get a true morning weight. My weight can fluctuate (as you also stated) by close to 8lbs day in and day out.
[/quote]

I hope your cut goes well.

I hate the terms cut and bulk.

So once your diet is over and the focus is on LBM, I’d take the same precision to eating for growth.

No more of those 8lb fluctuations![/quote]

Thanks

This is likely going to be the case when i begin “lean bulking” at the end of spring… Yes i bulked hard and put on about 110 lbs over the last 4 years, and i feel it was unnecessary to really worry about the contents of what i was eating, however ive gotten to the point where i just cant eat like that anymore without a significant portion of it turning into fat.

Its still gonna be a great feeling when this cut is over with, but i will definitely be measuring my food intake the same i am now.

It also took this long for me to realize that whether at 10 or 20 percent body fat, if im careful and smart in my approach i can gain muscle at pretty much the same rate. Hell, did you ever think youd be repping out 315 for 11 reps on bench while dieting as hard as you are?[/quote]

You should be able to grow better at lower body fat…I’m not talking super low, but lean…It’s because your hormones work better, insulin, GH, more testosterone, less estrogen…

Yea I always expect big things from myself. Only reason I’d get weaker is change in leverages from inches off the torso. Otherwise I’ve been pretty strong, maybe even stronger, training intensity has been killer.[/quote]

Yeah, its this hormone manipulation that im utilizing now that is allowing me to at the very least maintain my strength while on a strict diet. No matter what the goal, bulk, recomp, cut, from here on out i will always build my eating habits around this principle. 6 weeks in and all my lifts have stayed the same across the board or gotten slightly stronger.[/quote]

Well I train naturally, if you are insinuating actually using hormones.

I was saying lower bodyfats produce optimal hormone levels. Obviously not talking about 3% bodyfat which wouldn’t be great to be bulking on either…

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[quote]austin_bicep wrote:

[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:

[quote]austin_bicep wrote:

[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:

[quote]austin_bicep wrote:

[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:
At the end of the day i have to say that precision always needs to be greater when your seriously dieting rather than bulking. I eat so much when im all out bulking that i could go weeks without ever being able to get a true morning weight. My weight can fluctuate (as you also stated) by close to 8lbs day in and day out.
[/quote]

I hope your cut goes well.

I hate the terms cut and bulk.

So once your diet is over and the focus is on LBM, I’d take the same precision to eating for growth.

No more of those 8lb fluctuations![/quote]

Thanks

This is likely going to be the case when i begin “lean bulking” at the end of spring… Yes i bulked hard and put on about 110 lbs over the last 4 years, and i feel it was unnecessary to really worry about the contents of what i was eating, however ive gotten to the point where i just cant eat like that anymore without a significant portion of it turning into fat.

Its still gonna be a great feeling when this cut is over with, but i will definitely be measuring my food intake the same i am now.

It also took this long for me to realize that whether at 10 or 20 percent body fat, if im careful and smart in my approach i can gain muscle at pretty much the same rate. Hell, did you ever think youd be repping out 315 for 11 reps on bench while dieting as hard as you are?[/quote]

You should be able to grow better at lower body fat…I’m not talking super low, but lean…It’s because your hormones work better, insulin, GH, more testosterone, less estrogen…

Yea I always expect big things from myself. Only reason I’d get weaker is change in leverages from inches off the torso. Otherwise I’ve been pretty strong, maybe even stronger, training intensity has been killer.[/quote]

Yeah, its this hormone manipulation that im utilizing now that is allowing me to at the very least maintain my strength while on a strict diet. No matter what the goal, bulk, recomp, cut, from here on out i will always build my eating habits around this principle. 6 weeks in and all my lifts have stayed the same across the board or gotten slightly stronger.[/quote]

Well I train naturally, if you are insinuating actually using hormones.

I was saying lower bodyfats produce optimal hormone levels. Obviously not talking about 3% bodyfat which wouldn’t be great to be bulking on either…[/quote]

lol, no i was not talking about using anything, i am natural also. And i understand what you’re saying about lower bodyfat=better hormone levels. Im talking about doing things like manipulating insulin via carb timing and having low, med, high carb days. Not actually using hormones.

Actually was never sure if you were natural, thought about asking before but some people might deem that inappropriate. that answers that.