[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
Plus, I’m guessing most people on this site are not counting calories and/or macros to be able to use the data they get from weighing themselves every day (I know I’m not).[/quote]
Why not?
[quote]BlueCollarTr8n wrote:
[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
Plus, I’m guessing most people on this site are not counting calories and/or macros to be able to use the data they get from weighing themselves every day (I know I’m not).[/quote]
Why not? [/quote]
Pain in the ass.
I’m not nearly as dedicated to the lifestyle as I was 3 years ago. At this point I’m only interested in being big, strong and not sloppy. Counting calories/macros isn’t necessary for me.
[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
[quote]BlueCollarTr8n wrote:
[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
Plus, I’m guessing most people on this site are not counting calories and/or macros to be able to use the data they get from weighing themselves every day (I know I’m not).[/quote]
Why not? [/quote]
Pain in the ass.
I’m not nearly as dedicated to the lifestyle as I was 3 years ago. At this point I’m only interested in being big, strong and not sloppy. Counting calories/macros isn’t necessary for me. [/quote]
If you eat the same stuff every day, it’s pretty easy to track macros for a week and forget about it.
[quote]Ripsaw3689 wrote:
[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
[quote]BlueCollarTr8n wrote:
[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
Plus, I’m guessing most people on this site are not counting calories and/or macros to be able to use the data they get from weighing themselves every day (I know I’m not).[/quote]
Why not? [/quote]
Pain in the ass.
I’m not nearly as dedicated to the lifestyle as I was 3 years ago. At this point I’m only interested in being big, strong and not sloppy. Counting calories/macros isn’t necessary for me. [/quote]
If you eat the same stuff every day, it’s pretty easy to track macros for a week and forget about it. [/quote]
I eat dinner with my family every night so whatever the wifey cooks for dinner is what I eat. It’s just a huge pain in the ass to try and calculate how much chicken she gave me, how much homemade guacamole, how much rice, how much oil was used in the chicken she cooked, etc. And we’re eating something different every night.
I don’t know, for me it’s too much considering what my goals are at this point.
[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
[quote]Ripsaw3689 wrote:
[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
[quote]BlueCollarTr8n wrote:
[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
Plus, I’m guessing most people on this site are not counting calories and/or macros to be able to use the data they get from weighing themselves every day (I know I’m not).[/quote]
Why not? [/quote]
Pain in the ass.
I’m not nearly as dedicated to the lifestyle as I was 3 years ago. At this point I’m only interested in being big, strong and not sloppy. Counting calories/macros isn’t necessary for me. [/quote]
If you eat the same stuff every day, it’s pretty easy to track macros for a week and forget about it. [/quote]
I eat dinner with my family every night so whatever the wifey cooks for dinner is what I eat. It’s just a huge pain in the ass to try and calculate how much chicken she gave me, how much homemade guacamole, how much rice, how much oil was used in the chicken she cooked, etc. And we’re eating something different every night.
I don’t know, for me it’s too much considering what my goals are at this point. [/quote]
I see where you are coming from. Knowing macros for the rest of the day and loosely following a IIFYM for dinner would give you a pretty good idea. If you are always eating protein, fat and carbs for dinner, chances are the macros each night will be around the same ballpark.
[quote]Ripsaw3689 wrote:
[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
[quote]Ripsaw3689 wrote:
[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
[quote]BlueCollarTr8n wrote:
[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
Plus, I’m guessing most people on this site are not counting calories and/or macros to be able to use the data they get from weighing themselves every day (I know I’m not).[/quote]
Why not? [/quote]
Pain in the ass.
I’m not nearly as dedicated to the lifestyle as I was 3 years ago. At this point I’m only interested in being big, strong and not sloppy. Counting calories/macros isn’t necessary for me. [/quote]
If you eat the same stuff every day, it’s pretty easy to track macros for a week and forget about it. [/quote]
I eat dinner with my family every night so whatever the wifey cooks for dinner is what I eat. It’s just a huge pain in the ass to try and calculate how much chicken she gave me, how much homemade guacamole, how much rice, how much oil was used in the chicken she cooked, etc. And we’re eating something different every night.
I don’t know, for me it’s too much considering what my goals are at this point. [/quote]
I see where you are coming from. Knowing macros for the rest of the day and loosely following a IIFYM for dinner would give you a pretty good idea. If you are always eating protein, fat and carbs for dinner, chances are the macros each night will be around the same ballpark. [/quote]
You’re probably right, I guess it comes down to me being lazy.
[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
A few people here are posting that they weigh themselves every day because it provides better data. I don’t think anyone is disputing that. That doesn’t change that weight has a way of playing mind games on people, and unless you’re a competitive bodybuilder, it’s a mind game you don’t need to be playing.
Plus, I’m guessing most people on this site are not counting calories and/or macros to be able to use the data they get from weighing themselves every day (I know I’m not). To truly be useful, you’d have to weigh yourself every day and track all of your calories and macros. [/quote]
I assumed this was a question that was more geared towards people who do count calories/macros.
If you dont watch what you eat, or you are just on an all-out bulk, there’s simply no need/point to weighing yourself everyday.
I am on my first “real” cut right now, which as many of you know is a pretty intimidating/sobering experience for first-timers, i weigh myself every morning and take the lowest weight from each week as a marker. I dont see how this would mess with someones head. When things are this controlled i believe its absolutely necessary.
I guess to each his own. luckily ive been pretty successful so far, thanks to Stu, so im feeling pretty confident with what im doing. Im sure it affects people differently though.
[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:
[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
A few people here are posting that they weigh themselves every day because it provides better data. I don’t think anyone is disputing that. That doesn’t change that weight has a way of playing mind games on people, and unless you’re a competitive bodybuilder, it’s a mind game you don’t need to be playing.
Plus, I’m guessing most people on this site are not counting calories and/or macros to be able to use the data they get from weighing themselves every day (I know I’m not). To truly be useful, you’d have to weigh yourself every day and track all of your calories and macros. [/quote]
I assumed this was a question that was more geared towards people who do count calories/macros.
If you dont watch what you eat, or you are just on an all-out bulk, there’s simply no need/point to weighing yourself everyday.
I am on my first “real” cut right now, which as many of you know is a pretty intimidating/sobering experience for first-timers, i weigh myself every morning and take the lowest weight from each week as a marker. I dont see how this would mess with someones head. When things are this controlled i believe its absolutely necessary.
I guess to each his own. luckily ive been pretty successful so far, thanks to Stu, so im feeling pretty confident with what im doing. Im sure it affects people differently though. [/quote]
Good luck man. It’s a rough road, but towards the end you’ll see it’s very well worth it!
[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:
When things are this controlled i believe its absolutely necessary. [/quote]
Exactly. If you’re one of those guys who can just eyeball stuff, and are content to judge how you’re doing month to month (more weekend warrior type I guess), then it’s fine to hop on the scale occasionally. If, however, you’re aiming for something specific, well, you can’t assess what’s working and what’s not unless you’ve got a serious handle on your specifics. I always say that I’ve beaten a lot of guys with much better genetics than I have because I’m willing to go the extra mile. That doesn’t just mean how hard I push in the gym, it refers to how analytic I’ve been with my training and diet. Yates said pretty much the same thing; that if Flex Wheeler ever figured out how all the pieces of the puzzle fit together, there’d be no way he would have beaten him so many times.
[quote]
I guess to each his own. luckily ive been pretty successful so far, thanks to Stu, so im feeling pretty confident with what im doing. Im sure it affects people differently though. [/quote]
As Zraw said, if you understand what’s going on, it won’t mess you up. You’ll just see it as part of the process.
S
[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:
[quote]infinite_shore wrote:
Do it every day. Useful patterns will emerge if diet & cardio is regimented enough.
If it fucks with your head, it is high time you learn to deal with it. It will make you a better BBer.[/quote]
This.
I have a feeling its the perma-bulkers that have an issue with weighing themselves every day. [/quote]
I think some of these concepts need to change.
the reality is, it takes YEARS to get really big. It takes a full on focus on packing n that size and not letting it go. Dropping weight needs to be monitored because the most likely outcome is a loss in muscle mass of at least half and half fat and muscle tissue.
I am not sure what a “perma-bulker” even is especially considering most of the really big guys here who have bulked up are now carrying less body fat if they managed to actually get really big.
If this is “permabulk” status, so be it. Most people tend to see muscle.
I now don’t have to weigh myself everyday when dropping weight because I am, aware of how much my body can fluctuate in body weight once carbs are decreased. Seeing an 8lbs decrease could cause many people to throw on the breaks…unless that kind of loss is “normal” for that person.
[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:
If you dont watch what you eat, or you are just on an all-out bulk, there’s simply no need/point to weighing yourself everyday. [/quote]
I disagree with this. When gaining that is when I pay even more attention to the scale. The point of weighing yourself is to monitor progress. DIETING is a very personal situation where you learn over the course of years how your body responds to certain dietary changes. Someone who has dropped weight several times and knows how their body responds would actually be thrown off if they responded to “normal” changes.
Overall, you do what keeps you alone on track.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:
[quote]infinite_shore wrote:
Do it every day. Useful patterns will emerge if diet & cardio is regimented enough.
If it fucks with your head, it is high time you learn to deal with it. It will make you a better BBer.[/quote]
This.
I have a feeling its the perma-bulkers that have an issue with weighing themselves every day. [/quote]
I think some of these concepts need to change.
the reality is, it takes YEARS to get really big. It takes a full on focus on packing n that size and not letting it go. Dropping weight needs to be monitored because the most likely outcome is a loss in muscle mass of at least half and half fat and muscle tissue.
I am not sure what a “perma-bulker” even is especially considering most of the really big guys here who have bulked up are now carrying less body fat if they managed to actually get really big.
If this is “permabulk” status, so be it. Most people tend to see muscle.
I now don’t have to weigh myself everyday when dropping weight because I am, aware of how much my body can fluctuate in body weight once carbs are decreased. Seeing an 8lbs decrease could cause many people to throw on the breaks…unless that kind of loss is “normal” for that person.[/quote]
I think there are two kinds of people.
Recomp; not getting that lean, loose diet filled with good foods but calories and macros aren’t tracked too thoroughly, clearly some weight loss occurs and the body begins to look better. More of a long term approach… Scale weight doesn’t need to be checked daily.
Contest diet, Breaking below 8-10% body fat, Lean Diet; This person is trying to get shredded for a show, the beach. They count every calorie, fat, protein, carb that they eat. They lose a large amount of fat in a short period of time compared to the person recomping. They are methodical and precise. If they are following such a strict protocol and trying to get to that real crisp level of leaness, they need to know how the calories they are eating affect their body weight. Daily weighings and waist measurements are more common and needed to keep the ball rolling.
I know both of these because I’v done or am doing both.
[quote]austin_bicep wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:
[quote]infinite_shore wrote:
Do it every day. Useful patterns will emerge if diet & cardio is regimented enough.
If it fucks with your head, it is high time you learn to deal with it. It will make you a better BBer.[/quote]
This.
I have a feeling its the perma-bulkers that have an issue with weighing themselves every day. [/quote]
I think some of these concepts need to change.
the reality is, it takes YEARS to get really big. It takes a full on focus on packing n that size and not letting it go. Dropping weight needs to be monitored because the most likely outcome is a loss in muscle mass of at least half and half fat and muscle tissue.
I am not sure what a “perma-bulker” even is especially considering most of the really big guys here who have bulked up are now carrying less body fat if they managed to actually get really big.
If this is “permabulk” status, so be it. Most people tend to see muscle.
I now don’t have to weigh myself everyday when dropping weight because I am, aware of how much my body can fluctuate in body weight once carbs are decreased. Seeing an 8lbs decrease could cause many people to throw on the breaks…unless that kind of loss is “normal” for that person.[/quote]
I think there are two kinds of people.
Recomp; not getting that lean, lose diet filled with good foods but calories and macros aren’t tracked too thoroughly, clearly some weight loss occurs and the body begins to look better. More of a long term approach… Scale weight doesn’t need to be checked daily.
Contest diet, Breaking below 8-10% body fat, Lean Diet; This person is trying to get shredded for a show, the beach. They count every calorie, fat, protein, carb that they eat. They lose a large amount of fat in a short period of time compared to the person recomping. They are methodical and precise. If they are following such a strict protocol and trying to get to that real crisp level of leaness, they need to know how the calories they are eating affect their body weight. Daily weighings and waist measurements are more common and needed to keep the ball rolling.
I know both of these because I’v done or am doing both. [/quote]
Agreed.
What I was really focusing on is newer trainers looking at guys who have lifted for years and calling them “perma-bulkers” because they haven’t dieted yet.
The reality is, most really big guys, unless they started drugs early on, likely did spend some time just putting on that mass…and throwing a label at them based on how they look right now isn’t right or accurate.
My goal is to be leaner even if I don’t compete…but I have no desire to be under 10% right now for no reason.
I also think it is essential for a first time dieter getting very lean who counts calories and macros.
They’ve never done this before, how will they know how well their bodies metabolism work and how they handle different levels of macros?
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]austin_bicep wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:
[quote]infinite_shore wrote:
Do it every day. Useful patterns will emerge if diet & cardio is regimented enough.
If it fucks with your head, it is high time you learn to deal with it. It will make you a better BBer.[/quote]
This.
I have a feeling its the perma-bulkers that have an issue with weighing themselves every day. [/quote]
I think some of these concepts need to change.
the reality is, it takes YEARS to get really big. It takes a full on focus on packing n that size and not letting it go. Dropping weight needs to be monitored because the most likely outcome is a loss in muscle mass of at least half and half fat and muscle tissue.
I am not sure what a “perma-bulker” even is especially considering most of the really big guys here who have bulked up are now carrying less body fat if they managed to actually get really big.
If this is “permabulk” status, so be it. Most people tend to see muscle.
I now don’t have to weigh myself everyday when dropping weight because I am, aware of how much my body can fluctuate in body weight once carbs are decreased. Seeing an 8lbs decrease could cause many people to throw on the breaks…unless that kind of loss is “normal” for that person.[/quote]
I think there are two kinds of people.
Recomp; not getting that lean, lose diet filled with good foods but calories and macros aren’t tracked too thoroughly, clearly some weight loss occurs and the body begins to look better. More of a long term approach… Scale weight doesn’t need to be checked daily.
Contest diet, Breaking below 8-10% body fat, Lean Diet; This person is trying to get shredded for a show, the beach. They count every calorie, fat, protein, carb that they eat. They lose a large amount of fat in a short period of time compared to the person recomping. They are methodical and precise. If they are following such a strict protocol and trying to get to that real crisp level of leaness, they need to know how the calories they are eating affect their body weight. Daily weighings and waist measurements are more common and needed to keep the ball rolling.
I know both of these because I’v done or am doing both. [/quote]
Agreed.
What I was really focusing on is newer trainers looking at guys who have lifted for years and calling them “perma-bulkers” because they haven’t dieted yet.
The reality is, most really big guys, unless they started drugs early on, likely did spend some time just putting on that mass…and throwing a label at them based on how they look right now isn’t right or accurate.
My goal is to be leaner even if I don’t compete…but I have no desire to be under 10% right now for no reason.
[/quote]
Yeah I was just focusing on the individual who has the muscle mass but was either doing some kind of recomp or an actual calculated diet. Glad we agree.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:
If you dont watch what you eat, or you are just on an all-out bulk, there’s simply no need/point to weighing yourself everyday. [/quote]
I disagree with this. When gaining that is when I pay even more attention to the scale. The point of weighing yourself is to monitor progress. DIETING is a very personal situation where you learn over the course of years how your body responds to certain dietary changes. Someone who has dropped weight several times and knows how their body responds would actually be thrown off if they responded to “normal” changes.
Overall, you do what keeps you alone on track.
[/quote]
What you just said about dieting could be applied to recomping or bulking just as easily. Hell, it can and should be applied to every aspect of bodybuilding.
At the end of the day i have to say that precision always needs to be greater when your seriously dieting rather than bulking. I eat so much when im all out bulking that i could go weeks without ever being able to get a true morning weight. My weight can fluctuate (as you also stated) by close to 8lbs day in and day out.
Weighing myself every day will hardly be an accurate representation of whats going on. whether im able to get an accurate morning weight or not though, weighing myself over longer periods of time should yield more definite increases in body mass. When my calorie and carb intake is strictly controlled as it is now, there become definite patterns in my daily fluctuations and my weight doesnt fluctuate nearly as much. This enables me to monitor my weight more accurately day-to-day than when bulking.
All-in-all i feel much the same way that stu does about this.
[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:
[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:
When things are this controlled i believe its absolutely necessary. [/quote]
Exactly. If you’re one of those guys who can just eyeball stuff, and are content to judge how you’re doing month to month (more weekend warrior type I guess), then it’s fine to hop on the scale occasionally. If, however, you’re aiming for something specific, well, you can’t assess what’s working and what’s not unless you’ve got a serious handle on your specifics. I always say that I’ve beaten a lot of guys with much better genetics than I have because I’m willing to go the extra mile. That doesn’t just mean how hard I push in the gym, it refers to how analytic I’ve been with my training and diet. Yates said pretty much the same thing; that if Flex Wheeler ever figured out how all the pieces of the puzzle fit together, there’d be no way he would have beaten him so many times.
[quote]
I guess to each his own. luckily ive been pretty successful so far, thanks to Stu, so im feeling pretty confident with what im doing. Im sure it affects people differently though. [/quote]
As Zraw said, if you understand what’s going on, it won’t mess you up. You’ll just see it as part of the process.
S[/quote]
Yeah, at first i couldnt help but cringe at the scale on occasion, but now that ive started to pick out the patterns and have really seen weight drop, i look forward to jumping on that scale every morning.
[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:
What you just said about dieting could be applied to recomping or bulking just as easily. Hell, it can and should be applied to every aspect of bodybuilding. [/quote]
Glad we agree. That is why making blanket statements for what all people should do will most often lead you down the wrong road.
As long as I have a good reason for my actions and the result is more progress, then there is nothing wrong with it.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]austin_bicep wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:
[quote]infinite_shore wrote:
Do it every day. Useful patterns will emerge if diet & cardio is regimented enough.
If it fucks with your head, it is high time you learn to deal with it. It will make you a better BBer.[/quote]
This.
I have a feeling its the perma-bulkers that have an issue with weighing themselves every day. [/quote]
I think some of these concepts need to change.
the reality is, it takes YEARS to get really big. It takes a full on focus on packing n that size and not letting it go. Dropping weight needs to be monitored because the most likely outcome is a loss in muscle mass of at least half and half fat and muscle tissue.
I am not sure what a “perma-bulker” even is especially considering most of the really big guys here who have bulked up are now carrying less body fat if they managed to actually get really big.
If this is “permabulk” status, so be it. Most people tend to see muscle.
I now don’t have to weigh myself everyday when dropping weight because I am, aware of how much my body can fluctuate in body weight once carbs are decreased. Seeing an 8lbs decrease could cause many people to throw on the breaks…unless that kind of loss is “normal” for that person.[/quote]
I think there are two kinds of people.
Recomp; not getting that lean, lose diet filled with good foods but calories and macros aren’t tracked too thoroughly, clearly some weight loss occurs and the body begins to look better. More of a long term approach… Scale weight doesn’t need to be checked daily.
Contest diet, Breaking below 8-10% body fat, Lean Diet; This person is trying to get shredded for a show, the beach. They count every calorie, fat, protein, carb that they eat. They lose a large amount of fat in a short period of time compared to the person recomping. They are methodical and precise. If they are following such a strict protocol and trying to get to that real crisp level of leaness, they need to know how the calories they are eating affect their body weight. Daily weighings and waist measurements are more common and needed to keep the ball rolling.
I know both of these because I’v done or am doing both. [/quote]
Agreed.
What I was really focusing on is newer trainers looking at guys who have lifted for years and calling them “perma-bulkers” because they haven’t dieted yet.
The reality is, most really big guys, unless they started drugs early on, likely did spend some time just putting on that mass…and throwing a label at them based on how they look right now isn’t right or accurate.
My goal is to be leaner even if I don’t compete…but I have no desire to be under 10% right now for no reason.
[/quote]
Im aware what bulking is and what it requires. Ive been bulking for 4 years up until now. At the point im at now, the best way for me to continue packing on muscle and developing my physique (and i think this goes for everyone) going forward is to strip away the fat, reveal ALL the muscle and truly assess my weaknesses. This is why i think its important to come down to a low bf% every once in a while after making significant progress, whether you plan on competing or not.
Someone who is not willing to do this is what i consider a “perma-bulker.”
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:
What you just said about dieting could be applied to recomping or bulking just as easily. Hell, it can and should be applied to every aspect of bodybuilding. [/quote]
Glad we agree. That is why making blanket statements for what all people should do will most often lead you down the wrong road.
As long as I have a good reason for my actions and the result is more progress, then there is nothing wrong with it.
[/quote]
the point of this thread is to state your opinions and reasoning behind weighing yourself everyday. I dont believe OP was hoping everyone would be in uniform agreement.