Weed and Lifting?

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[quote]FFB4Life wrote:
HERO wrote:
BigRagoo wrote:
Wow, nothing but stereotypes.

Show me a chronic pot smoker (someone who does it on a regular basis, not every now and then or a few times in the past) who is doing anything to better society. Because in all honesty every chronic smoker I have met in my life time has been for lack of better words lazy.

Chronic smoker here. Lately been smoking about three to four times a week in the evenings after my workouts and before my xbox live sessions.

Not sure if I’m doing anything to better society per se but I am definitely putting in the time and effort to better myself.

I have a B.S. in Organizational Behavior and Communications and I’m halfway through my Masters in Public Health.

I work full time in NYC in a respectable position and I go to school full time. I also find the time to lift four times a week (currently on my own hybrid version of TBT & HFT). Twice a week I wake up at 5:45am to get to the swimming pool to put in some cardio before I get to the office by 9am.

I have become recently engaged, I own a home and I’m very happy with my life and all my accomplishments.

I am far from lazy.

But I’m curious. What are YOU doing to better society?

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Someone just got owned.

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[quote]unforgiven2 wrote:
HERO wrote:
BigRagoo wrote:
Wow, nothing but stereotypes.

Show me a chronic pot smoker (someone who does it on a regular basis, not every now and then or a few times in the past) who is doing anything to better society. Because in all honesty every chronic smoker I have met in my life time has been for lack of better words lazy.

Well, I do have my masters, I do teach honors and A.P. courses, I’m very active in my community, a successful and liked coach. Oh, and did I mention I’ve smoked over 15 years, on pretty much a daily basis.

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How do you feel about your students smoking (assuming that some do)?

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Look, basically to anyone who is staunchly anti-drug, you won’t be able to talk a regular or even semi-regular user out of doing it most of the time. It’s a waste of time because according to them, they aren’t doing anything wrong.

Despite it being illegal and posing no real benefit like say AAS in some cases (powerlifers and other professional/serious athlete), they don’t seem to find anything wrong with altering the delicate chemical balances within the body and mind. Of course, I will be attacked for saying that. I have no idea what I am talking about etc. It’s not physically addictive, but mentally it is.

You don’t know how to relax without it, nor enjoy yourself, nor come out of your shell after a while. You can quit anytime you want to, just, it’s not hurting you so why do you need to stop ?

Either that or, I don’t know you, I don’t know about your 300,000+ a year job, three beautiful kids and sexy wife, your PhD and your plan to run accross the country to raise money to cure cancer. One of the signs of addiction is lashing out at someone who questions your use.

Apparently, because I don’t have 27 double-blind studies and I don’t have my Masters or PhD like some individuals, I know nothing. Real-world experience means nothing.

I saw a guy stop for six months and then he started up again, just like that because he missed it. The guy is a social worker so he knows all about things. Another guy I knew had anxiety problems so he got baked every day. Rather than helping him, it made it worse as his panic attacks increased in frequency during use.

When someone I know very well runs out of pot for his daily use, he lashes out at everybody and gets headaches because in his mind he’s convinced he needs it.

I could go on forever, but there’s no point because I don’t know anything and of course you’re totally right. It’s a shame people choose to harm themseleves like they do, so willingly. And I stand by what I said previously in saying occasional use isn’t so bad. But after a while…

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[quote]t3h_Squirr3l wrote:

Despite it being illegal and posing no real benefit [/quote]

No benefit? You mean, like to cancer patients or some with AIDs? It is an anxiolytic and an appetite enhancer. How could you say it has “no benefit”? What about even reducing intraocular pressure related to glaucoma?

I would assume someone with your stance about “chemical imbalances within the body and mind” would be equally peeved at alcohol use…even though alcohol is proven to be chemically addictive meaning it poses even more of a threat.

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[quote]pittbulll wrote:
Barack Obama has made some reference to his drug use [/quote]

Yea but he played it off on a late night tv show one night, Leno I think. Said he smoked some grass before but was not proud of it or some shit like that and would never again.

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Prof X. I agree with many things I have seen you post here, but not this. Tell me this, why do marijuana advocates ALWAYS bring up alchohol ? In EVERY single argument, it’s always brought up.

I concur that alcohol has no benefits, but then again, I have a pint once or twice a month and something I go months without drinking. I drink pretty much exclusively Guinness (best beer on Earth, bar none). I drink it for the taste as I am not a fan of many liquors with the exception of perhaps whisky or scotch (even then, not so much).

I enjoy the strong flavour. One beer or one pint does nothing compared to smoking a joint or a bowl in terms of effects on the mind and body.

Tell me though, seriously, who takes like one puff once every few months ? I know you would counter with that because if you don’t use it, you seem to play the Devil’s Advocate well. I know many people who are conisuers of whisky or beer or drink on special occasions like New Year’s.

I don’t really know many conisuers of weed and smoke once or twice a year. The majority of people do it frequently (mulptiple times week, if not every day). Some people drink that often, but they too are addicts. I wouldn’t cry too hard if alcohol was deemed illegal.

Weed cures cancer, eh ? Supposedly soy protien was good for you, up until recently. That’s been pretty much disproven by the boys here at T-Nation. Or has it ? It is a pain-reliever. So is ketamine and morphine. I have an idea, let’s pump our cancer patients full of ketamine and morphine; it works after all.

Side effects and addiction you say ? Hmm, you try telling me a cancer patient who is going through chemo and gets weed legally or illegally won’t be smoking every day. You do something long enough, you become addicted. His or her cancer goes into remission and will they continue to smoke ? Very likely.

I don’t nessecarily believe it cures cancer like you seem to imply. Speaking of which, that too seems to be in every pro-weed advocated counter-argument.

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I would stick to exercises that don’t carry a danger of dropping shit on your head or dislocating something.

I sometimes work out when drunk, but it is relatively low-risk stuff like huge amounts of pushups/pullups.(because of the diminished sensation, I can do quite a few more than normal.) Not exactly the same thing, I realize.

If it were me, save the herb for recovery days, and then only once a month or so. It definitely helps you eat.

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[quote]t3h_Squirr3l wrote:
Prof X. I agree with many things I have seen you post here, but not this. Tell me this, why do marijuana advocates ALWAYS bring up alchohol ? In EVERY single argument, it’s always brought up.[/quote]

Because alcohol is chemically (and even socially) more dangerous yet many who take your position seem to never hold as much contempt for it…which makes no sense.

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I concur that alcohol has no benefits, but then again, I have a pint once or twice a month and something I go months without drinking. I drink pretty much exclusively Guinness (best beer on Earth, bar none). I drink it for the taste as I am not a fan of many liquors with the exception of perhaps whisky or scotch (even then, not so much). [/quote]

Well then, by your previous argument, you should be held as a waste to society for causing such “mental imbalance”. My god, you might even hold a job that affects other people!

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Weed cures cancer, eh ?[/quote]

What? Did I write that marijuana CURES cancer? Why make up arguments just because you really don’t have any?

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Supposedly soy protien was good for you, up until recently. That’s been pretty much disproven by the boys here at T-Nation. Or has it ? It is a pain-reliever. So is ketamine and morphine. I have an idea, let’s pump our cancer patients full of ketamine and morphine; it works after all. [/quote]

Many cancer patients ARE placed on morphine. Beyond that, millions of Americans are on anti-depressants. Pharmaceutical companies are making millions on the current growing state of depression. Why avoid looking at a natural alternative to that problem?

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Side effects and addiction you say ? Hmm, you try telling me a cancer patient who is going through chemo and gets weed legally or illegally won’t be smoking every day. You do something long enough, you become addicted. His or her cancer goes into remission and will they continue to smoke ? Very likely. [/quote]

Why would you care whether a cancer patient smokes everyday? THEY ARE GOING TO DIE yet you want to stop them from enjoying themselves?

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I don’t nessecarily believe it cures cancer like you seem to imply. Speaking of which, that too seems to be in every pro-weed advocated counter-argument. [/quote]

Uhm, once again, no one said anything about cancer being cured. Why argue if you really don’t know what you are talking about? Many cancer and AIDs patients lose their appetite. Many are also depressed. Why ban them from using a natural plant that helps in both cases?

When my grandmother died, she was barely eating anything by the time she passed. She was severely depressed. Thanks for being one of the many that would gladly stop her from smoking a joint. I’m sure she appreciates the effort.

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“Herb is the healing of a nation, alcohol is the destruction.”

:wink:

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[quote]Cartman8675 wrote:
ever heard of a search?[/quote]

hahaha! awesome first response!

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
t3h_Squirr3l wrote:
Prof X. I agree with many things I have seen you post here, but not this. Tell me this, why do marijuana advocates ALWAYS bring up alchohol ? In EVERY single argument, it’s always brought up.

Because alcohol is chemically (and even socially) more dangerous yet many who take your position seem to never hold as much contempt for it…which makes no sense.

I concur that alcohol has no benefits, but then again, I have a pint once or twice a month and something I go months without drinking. I drink pretty much exclusively Guinness (best beer on Earth, bar none). I drink it for the taste as I am not a fan of many liquors with the exception of perhaps whisky or scotch (even then, not so much).

Well then, by your previous argument, you should be held as a waste to society for causing such “mental imbalance”. My god, you might even hold a job that affects other people!

Weed cures cancer, eh ?

What? Did I write that marijuana CURES cancer? Why make up arguments just because you really don’t have any?

Supposedly soy protien was good for you, up until recently. That’s been pretty much disproven by the boys here at T-Nation. Or has it ? It is a pain-reliever. So is ketamine and morphine. I have an idea, let’s pump our cancer patients full of ketamine and morphine; it works after all.

Many cancer patients ARE placed on morphine. Beyond that, millions of Americans are on anti-depressants. Pharmaceutical companies are making millions on the current growing state of depression. Why avoid looking at a natural alternative to that problem?

Side effects and addiction you say ? Hmm, you try telling me a cancer patient who is going through chemo and gets weed legally or illegally won’t be smoking every day. You do something long enough, you become addicted. His or her cancer goes into remission and will they continue to smoke ? Very likely.

Why would you care whether a cancer patient smokes everyday? THEY ARE GOING TO DIE yet you want to stop them from enjoying themselves?

I don’t nessecarily believe it cures cancer like you seem to imply. Speaking of which, that too seems to be in every pro-weed advocated counter-argument.

Uhm, once again, no one said anything about cancer being cured. Why argue if you really don’t know what you are talking about? Many cancer and AIDs patients lose their appetite. Many are also depressed. Why ban them from using a natural plant that helps in both cases?

When my grandmother died, she was barely eating anything by the time she passed. She was severely depressed. Thanks for being one of the many that would gladly stop her from smoking a joint. I’m sure she appreciates the effort.[/quote]

Owned.

Nice job prof. : )

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In the slurred words of myself at 18-
“Hey, Hey, Hey, smoke weed everyday.”

Weed and lifting is stupid. It does nothing for you. All the guys who smoke before lifting sessions at MY gym are little. Speaking from experience, the shit sucks when you are trying to get a good session in. If you want to do recreationals, do them in your leisure time.

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[quote]t3h_Squirr3l wrote:
Look, basically to anyone who is staunchly anti-drug, you won’t be able to talk a regular or even semi-regular user out of doing it most of the time. It’s a waste of time because according to them, they aren’t doing anything wrong.

Despite it being illegal and posing no real benefit like say AAS in some cases (powerlifers and other professional/serious athlete), they don’t seem to find anything wrong with altering the delicate chemical balances within the body and mind. Of course, I will be attacked for saying that. I have no idea what I am talking about etc. It’s not physically addictive, but mentally it is.

You don’t know how to relax without it, nor enjoy yourself, nor come out of your shell after a while. You can quit anytime you want to, just, it’s not hurting you so why do you need to stop ?

Either that or, I don’t know you, I don’t know about your 300,000+ a year job, three beautiful kids and sexy wife, your PhD and your plan to run accross the country to raise money to cure cancer. One of the signs of addiction is lashing out at someone who questions your use.

Apparently, because I don’t have 27 double-blind studies and I don’t have my Masters or PhD like some individuals, I know nothing. Real-world experience means nothing.

I saw a guy stop for six months and then he started up again, just like that because he missed it. The guy is a social worker so he knows all about things. Another guy I knew had anxiety problems so he got baked every day. Rather than helping him, it made it worse as his panic attacks increased in frequency during use.

When someone I know very well runs out of pot for his daily use, he lashes out at everybody and gets headaches because in his mind he’s convinced he needs it.

I could go on forever, but there’s no point because I don’t know anything and of course you’re totally right. It’s a shame people choose to harm themseleves like they do, so willingly. And I stand by what I said previously in saying occasional use isn’t so bad. But after a while… [/quote]
Wow, as long as I’ve smoked, I don’t think I’ve ever got a headache from not having weed. I think alot of it is the mentality of the person using it.

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“Weed is from the earth. God put this here for me and you. Take advantage man, take advantage.”

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
HERO wrote:
Professor X wrote:
HERO wrote:
Oh I’m sorry, I mistook the death of brain cells for lung cancer, thats a much better way to go.

Recent studies are actually showing a DECREASE in lung cancer in those who smoke weed. (Forensic Drug Abuse Advisor, 18(6):45-46, 2006) It is now believed that THC in marijuana and nicotine in tobacco counteract each other. THC apparently blocks enzymes that promote cancer development decreasing the effects of free radicals from nicotine use.

I know it is a trend to quote after school specials, but the truth is, this is one “drug/plant” the US is wasting millions of dollars fighting when the effects don’t justify the “war”.

It is beyond stupid that myth has taken the place of truth just so we can “save the children”. What would happen if we simply quit “lying to the children”?

Thank you for bringing that to my attention, but I think the point I am more or less trying to get across is that there are better things one can be doing. But we do live in a society of instant gratification, so few tend to even think about these kinds of things.

Your information is much appreciated though.

You could be doing better things than typing on this forum…but you are NOT. You could have bEEN doing better things for the past two pages…but you did NOT. You could have saved the money from getting drunk that one weekend. But you did NOT. You could have not screwed that ugly chick in high school and saved a condom. But you did NOT.

I do believe in a world full of shit to do, you could possibly almost always be doing something “better”. You have no point if that is the one solid argument you are making for why billions of dollars spent on keeping this drug “illegal” makes any sense at all.[/quote]

good post! If I’m at a social event with some friends, and someone passes a joint, no children are saved by me refusing to partake. Of course there are better things to do than spending all your time/money getting stoned. I’ve heard similar arguments made against cardio actually. Seriously though, think about the incredible hydro-electrical energy drain of running on a treadmill for 30 minutes - definitely has a negative impact on the environment!

I’m also pretty sure that $12 I spent on Casino Royale didn’t better the world, but I don’t regret it at all (I’d see it again actually).

Back to the topic at hand. I’ve smoked before working out. Had some awesome workouts that way. I wouldn’t do it often or ‘recommend’ it per se, but it’s definitely interesting because pot makes lifts feel amazing.

It kills pain - which means you’ve gotta be careful with it. Also be careful with stretching - it makes stretching feel great but if you’re stretching an injury you can easily reinjure yourself. If not you’ll get some awesome stretches in though and you’ll enjoy doing it.

I found I focussed really well, not just on my workout, but on the feeling of each rep. I was totally into my workout and just loving the feeling of lifting. It’s just about not smoking too much, and not forgetting your reason for being there. That’s the mental approach that separates the useless, lazy stoner from someone who can get something positive out of it. Use not abuse people. Why does it have to be so black and white?

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[quote]t3h_Squirr3l wrote:
Prof X. I agree with many things I have seen you post here, but not this. Tell me this, why do marijuana advocates ALWAYS bring up alchohol ? In EVERY single argument, it’s always brought up.

I concur that alcohol has no benefits, but then again, I have a pint once or twice a month and something I go months without drinking. I drink pretty much exclusively Guinness (best beer on Earth, bar none). I drink it for the taste as I am not a fan of many liquors with the exception of perhaps whisky or scotch (even then, not so much).

I enjoy the strong flavour. One beer or one pint does nothing compared to smoking a joint or a bowl in terms of effects on the mind and body.

Tell me though, seriously, who takes like one puff once every few months ? I know you would counter with that because if you don’t use it, you seem to play the Devil’s Advocate well. I know many people who are conisuers of whisky or beer or drink on special occasions like New Year’s.

I don’t really know many conisuers of weed and smoke once or twice a year. The majority of people do it frequently (mulptiple times week, if not every day). Some people drink that often, but they too are addicts. I wouldn’t cry too hard if alcohol was deemed illegal.

Weed cures cancer, eh ? Supposedly soy protien was good for you, up until recently. That’s been pretty much disproven by the boys here at T-Nation. Or has it ? It is a pain-reliever. So is ketamine and morphine. I have an idea, let’s pump our cancer patients full of ketamine and morphine; it works after all.

Side effects and addiction you say ? Hmm, you try telling me a cancer patient who is going through chemo and gets weed legally or illegally won’t be smoking every day. You do something long enough, you become addicted. His or her cancer goes into remission and will they continue to smoke ? Very likely.

I don’t nessecarily believe it cures cancer like you seem to imply. Speaking of which, that too seems to be in every pro-weed advocated counter-argument. [/quote]

So it’s cool for you to enjoy the occassional Guinness but lame for someone to enjoy the occassional toke. That makes no sense to me. And you don’t know anyone who smokes every few weeks/months? Weird, I know loads of people who never buy weed but gladly take a toke if they’re at a party, myself included.

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[quote]addwaves wrote:

Nice.

“I saw its blood on the leaves, when the big man was killed.”

Bonus points for anyone who gets the movie reference. : )

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“There are 100,000 total marijuana smokers in the US, and most are Negroes, Hispanics, Filipinos, and entertainers. Their Satanic music, jazz, and swing, result from marijuana use. This marijuana causes white women to seek sexual relations with Negroes, entertainers, and any others.”

“…the primary reason to outlaw marijuana is its effect on the degenerate races.”

“Marijuana is an addictive drug which produces in its users insanity, criminality, and death.”

“Reefer makes darkies think they’re as good as white men.”

“Marihuana leads to pacifism and communist brainwashing”

“You smoke a joint and you’re likely to kill your brother.”

“Marijuana is the most violence-causing drug in the history of mankind.”

Harry J. Anslinger

http://blogs.salon.com/0002762/stories/2003/12/22/whyIsMarijuanaIllegal.html