Weed and Lifting?

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
t3h_Squirr3l wrote:
Prof X. I agree with many things I have seen you post here, but not this. Tell me this, why do marijuana advocates ALWAYS bring up alchohol ? In EVERY single argument, it’s always brought up.

Because alcohol is chemically (and even socially) more dangerous yet many who take your position seem to never hold as much contempt for it…which makes no sense.

Profesor X…you are the man brutha!

Keep schoolin!

I concur that alcohol has no benefits, but then again, I have a pint once or twice a month and something I go months without drinking. I drink pretty much exclusively Guinness (best beer on Earth, bar none). I drink it for the taste as I am not a fan of many liquors with the exception of perhaps whisky or scotch (even then, not so much).

Well then, by your previous argument, you should be held as a waste to society for causing such “mental imbalance”. My god, you might even hold a job that affects other people!

Weed cures cancer, eh ?

What? Did I write that marijuana CURES cancer? Why make up arguments just because you really don’t have any?

Supposedly soy protien was good for you, up until recently. That’s been pretty much disproven by the boys here at T-Nation. Or has it ? It is a pain-reliever. So is ketamine and morphine. I have an idea, let’s pump our cancer patients full of ketamine and morphine; it works after all.

Many cancer patients ARE placed on morphine. Beyond that, millions of Americans are on anti-depressants. Pharmaceutical companies are making millions on the current growing state of depression. Why avoid looking at a natural alternative to that problem?

Side effects and addiction you say ? Hmm, you try telling me a cancer patient who is going through chemo and gets weed legally or illegally won’t be smoking every day. You do something long enough, you become addicted. His or her cancer goes into remission and will they continue to smoke ? Very likely.

Why would you care whether a cancer patient smokes everyday? THEY ARE GOING TO DIE yet you want to stop them from enjoying themselves?

I don’t nessecarily believe it cures cancer like you seem to imply. Speaking of which, that too seems to be in every pro-weed advocated counter-argument.

Uhm, once again, no one said anything about cancer being cured. Why argue if you really don’t know what you are talking about? Many cancer and AIDs patients lose their appetite. Many are also depressed. Why ban them from using a natural plant that helps in both cases?

When my grandmother died, she was barely eating anything by the time she passed. She was severely depressed. Thanks for being one of the many that would gladly stop her from smoking a joint. I’m sure she appreciates the effort.[/quote]

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[quote]HERO wrote:
Do what you will with your life, but personally I rather not waste my time or money spacing out, because there are infinite better things we all could be doing with both.

Its just a shame that people would rather pay money to get stoned for a few hours then doing something usefull and or helpful. After all there are people starving in the streets, diseases that need cures, and a planet thats being destroyed daily. But hell, who gives a sh!t? Lets all get high and forget about it all.
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the same argument could be used for alcohol, video games, porn, etc.

weed falls into the same category: leisure activity.

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[quote]orion wrote:
“There are 100,000 total marijuana smokers in the US, and most are Negroes, Hispanics, Filipinos, and entertainers. Their Satanic music, jazz, and swing, result from marijuana use. This marijuana causes white women to seek sexual relations with Negroes, entertainers, and any others.”

“…the primary reason to outlaw marijuana is its effect on the degenerate races.”

“Marijuana is an addictive drug which produces in its users insanity, criminality, and death.”

“Reefer makes darkies think they’re as good as white men.”

“Marihuana leads to pacifism and communist brainwashing”

“You smoke a joint and you’re likely to kill your brother.”

“Marijuana is the most violence-causing drug in the history of mankind.”

Harry J. Anslinger

http://blogs.salon.com/0002762/stories/2003/12/22/whyIsMarijuanaIllegal.html[/quote]
???

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How is money “put to a bad use”? Money is an idea. It’s not something that solves a problem. It is the representation that work was done and can be bartered for a different type of work to be done. If you give money to a drug dealer it doesn’t “dissapear”, it just changes hands.

I could understand if you were saying the money could be put to something you enjoy more but thats a matter of choice.

And humans are incredibly efficient. A large enough percentage (for the human race to survive) has more than adequate resources. This means that 99% of our lives aren’t spent on trying to survive.

They’re spent on trying to enjoy ourselves. Let people enjoy themselves how they wish to enjoy themselves. Lifting is a waste of time and forces us to consume massive amounts of food and resources. But it’s fun and we look better for it, so we do it anyway.

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[quote]Taquito wrote:
How is money “put to a bad use”? Money is an idea. It’s not something that solves a problem. It is the representation that work was done and can be bartered for a different type of work to be done. If you give money to a drug dealer it doesn’t “dissapear”, it just changes hands.

I could understand if you were saying the money could be put to something you enjoy more but thats a matter of choice.

And humans are incredibly efficient. A large enough percentage (for the human race to survive) has more than adequate resources. This means that 99% of our lives aren’t spent on trying to survive.

They’re spent on trying to enjoy ourselves. Let people enjoy themselves how they wish to enjoy themselves. Lifting is a waste of time and forces us to consume massive amounts of food and resources. But it’s fun and we look better for it, so we do it anyway.[/quote]

Amen.

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everyday before i work out i smoke a blunt…it does help but it depends what type of person you are and your tolerence level for marijuana. for example my friend cannot smoke without feeling like he has to go to sleep within 5 minutes of working out…

i’ve never pitched a baseball game without smoking either… last season i had 3 perfect games, about a 1.50 ERA, and led the county in strikeouts, for all this i was named to the all-county team and given honors as the team’s MVP…

that just goes to show you the politicans are wrong about mary-jay

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Top 10 Pot Studies Government Wished it Had Never Funded
September 2nd, 2006

  1. HEAVY MARIJUANA USE AS A YOUNG ADULT WON?T RUIN YOUR LIFE: Veterans Affairs scientists looked at whether heavy marijuana use as a young adult caused long-term problems later, studying identical twins in which one twin had been a heavy marijuana user for a year or longer but had stopped at least one month before the study, while the second twin had used marijuana no more than five times ever. Marijuana use had no significant impact on physical or mental health care utilization, health-related quality of life, or current socio-demographic characteristics. Eisen SE et al. Does Marijuana Use Have Residual Adverse Effects on Self-Reported Health Measures, Socio-Demographics or Quality of Life? A Monozygotic Co-Twin Control Study in Men. Addiction. Vol. 97 No. 9. p.1083-1086. Sept. 1997

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  1. MARIJUANA USE HAS NO EFFECT ON MORTALITY: A massive study of California HMO members funded by the National Institute on Drug Abuse (NIDA) found marijuana use caused no significant increase in mortality. Tobacco use was associated with increased risk of death. Sidney, S et al. Marijuana Use and Mortality. American Journal of Public Health. Vol. 87 No. 4, April 1997. p. 585-590. Sept. 2002.

  2. HEAVY MARIJUANA USE AS A YOUNG ADULT WON?T RUIN YOUR LIFE: Veterans Affairs scientists looked at whether heavy marijuana use as a young adult caused long-term problems later, studying identical twins in which one twin had been a heavy marijuana user for a year or longer but had stopped at least one month before the study, while the second twin had used marijuana no more than five times ever. Marijuana use had no significant impact on physical or mental health care utilization, health-related quality of life, or current socio-demographic characteristics. Eisen SE et al. Does Marijuana Use Have Residual Adverse Effects on Self-Reported Health Measures, Socio-Demographics or Quality of Life? A Monozygotic Co-Twin Control Study in Men. Addiction. Vol. 97 No. 9. p.1083-1086. Sept. 1997

  3. THE ?GATEWAY EFFECT? MAY BE A MIRAGE: Marijuana is often called a ?gateway drug? by supporters of prohibition, who point to statistical ?associations? indicating that persons who use marijuana are more likely to eventually try hard drugs than those who never use marijuana ? implying that marijuana use somehow causes hard drug use. But a model developed by RAND Corp. researcher Andrew Morral demonstrates that these associations can be explained ?without requiring a gateway effect.? More likely, this federally funded study suggests, some people simply have an underlying propensity to try drugs, and start with what?s most readily available. Morral AR, McCaffrey D and Paddock S. Reassessing the Marijuana Gateway Effect. Addiction. December 2002. p. 1493-1504.

  4. PROHIBITION DOESN?T WORK (PART I): The White House had the National Research Council examine the data being gathered about drug use and the effects of U.S. drug policies. NRC concluded, ?the nation possesses little information about the effectiveness of current drug policy, especially of drug law enforcement.? And what data exist show ?little apparent relationship between severity of sanctions prescribed for drug use and prevalence or frequency of use.? In other words, there is no proof that prohibition ? the cornerstone of U.S. drug policy for a century ? reduces drug use. National Research Council. Informing America?s Policy on Illegal Drugs: What We Don?t Know Keeps Hurting Us. National Academy Press, 2001. p. 193.

  5. PROHIBITION DOESN?T WORK (PART II: DOES PROHIBITION CAUSE THE ?GATEWAY EFFECT??): U.S. and Dutch researchers, supported in part by NIDA, compared marijuana users in San Francisco, where non-medical use remains illegal, to Amsterdam, where adults may possess and purchase small amounts of marijuana from regulated businesses. Looking at such parameters as frequency and quantity of use and age at onset of use, they found no differences except one: Lifetime use of hard drugs was significantly lower in Amsterdam, with its ?tolerant? marijuana policies. For example, lifetime crack cocaine use was 4.5 times higher in San Francisco than Amsterdam. Reinarman, C, Cohen, PDA, and Kaal, HL. The Limited Relevance of Drug Policy: Cannabis in Amsterdam and San Francisco. American Journal of Public Health. Vol. 94, No. 5. May 2004. p. 836-842.

  6. OOPS, MARIJUANA MAY PREVENT CANCER (PART I): Federal researchers implanted several types of cancer, including leukemia and lung cancers, in mice, then treated them with cannabinoids (unique, active components found in marijuana). THC and other cannabinoids shrank tumors and increased the mice?s lifespans. Munson, AE et al. Antineoplastic Activity of Cannabinoids. Journal of the National Cancer Institute. Sept. 1975. p. 597-602.

  7. OOPS, MARIJUANA MAY PREVENT CANCER, (PART II): In a 1994 study the government tried to suppress, federal researchers gave mice and rats massive doses of THC, looking for cancers or other signs of toxicity. The rodents given THC lived longer and had fewer cancers, ?in a dose-dependent manner? (i.e. the more THC they got, the fewer tumors). NTP Technical Report On The Toxicology And Carcinogenesis Studies Of 1-Trans- Delta-9-Tetrahydrocannabinol, CAS No. 1972-08-3, In F344/N Rats And B6C3F Mice, Gavage Studies. See also, ?Medical Marijuana: Unpublished Federal Study Found THC-Treated Rats Lived Longer, Had Less Cancer,? AIDS Treatment News no. 263, Jan. 17, 1997.

  8. OOPS, MARIJUANA MAY PREVENT CANCER (PART III): Researchers at the Kaiser-Permanente HMO, funded by NIDA, followed 65,000 patients for nearly a decade, comparing cancer rates among non-smokers, tobacco smokers, and marijuana smokers. Tobacco smokers had massively higher rates of lung cancer and other cancers. Marijuana smokers who didn?t also use tobacco had no increase in risk of tobacco-related cancers or of cancer risk overall. In fact their rates of lung and most other cancers were slightly lower than non-smokers, though the difference did not reach statistical significance. Sidney, S. et al. Marijuana Use and Cancer Incidence (California, United States). Cancer Causes and Control. Vol. 8. Sept. 1997, p. 722-728.

  9. OOPS, MARIJUANA MAY PREVENT CANCER (PART IV): Donald Tashkin, a UCLA researcher whose work is funded by NIDA, did a case-control study comparing 1,200 patients with lung, head and neck cancers to a matched group with no cancer. Even the heaviest marijuana smokers had no increased risk of cancer, and had somewhat lower cancer risk than non-smokers (tobacco smokers had a 20-fold increased lung cancer risk). Tashkin D. Marijuana Use and Lung Cancer: Results of a Case-Control Study. American Thoracic Society International Conference. May 23, 2006.

  10. MARIJUANA DOES HAVE MEDICAL VALUE: In response to passage of California?s medical marijuana law, the White House had the Institute of Medicine (IOM) review the data on marijuana?s medical benefits and risks. The IOM concluded, ?Nausea, appetite loss, pain and anxiety are all afflictions of wasting, and all can be mitigated by marijuana.? While noting potential risks of smoking, the report added, ?we acknowledge that there is no clear alternative for people suffering from chronic conditions that might be relieved by smoking marijuana, such as pain or AIDS wasting.? The government?s refusal to acknowledge this finding caused co-author John A. Benson to tell the New York Times that the government ?loves to ignore our report ? they would rather it never happened.? Joy, JE, Watson, SJ, and Benson, JA. Marijuana and Medicine: Assessing the Science Base. National Academy Press. 1999. p. 159. See also, Harris, G. FDA Dismisses Medical Benefit From Marijuana. New York Times. Apr. 21, 2006

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I really wish people would fucking get over what people put into

THEIR.

OWN.

BODIES.

If it affects your rights as a citizen, then that’s where you draw the line. You know what? That’s where the line is drawn for every other god damn thing you can possibly think of.

I don’t smoke before workouts, and I smoke about once a month, fyi. As long as people aren’t dropping plates or getting in the way, I really couldn’t give a fuck less if they were high or not.

Passing laws to homogenize the public and make them more like you are so pathetic and ill-conceived it’s unbelievable.

Seriously, if this shit (people smoking before workouts, or at all) bugs you guys, then that’s hilarious.

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[quote]gainera2582 wrote:
Weed and lifting do not mix(neither do alcohol or smoking ciggs(thats just plain stupid)).

If your a serious lifter, drugs and alcohol will hinder you no matter what the case.

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Somewhere out there, there is a guy who is bigger, stronger, and leaner than you who smokes before workouts. If it does not mix for YOU, then YOU can choose not to do it. Is it really that hard to understand?

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[quote]SkyNett wrote:
Nice.

“I saw its blood on the leaves, when the big man was killed.”

Bonus points for anyone who gets the movie reference. : )[/quote]

That would be the little Columbian (Venezualan?) girl in Predator. Not sure what that has to do with weed, but there it is.

On the subject of drugs, here’s my Bonus Question: “When you hab the habit, you hap to hab it.”

What (former) professional athlete said this?

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[quote]The Assasin wrote:
everyday before i work out i smoke a blunt…it does help but it depends what type of person you are and your tolerence level for marijuana. for example my friend cannot smoke without feeling like he has to go to sleep within 5 minutes of working out…

i’ve never pitched a baseball game without smoking either… last season i had 3 perfect games, about a 1.50 ERA, and led the county in strikeouts, for all this i was named to the all-county team and given honors as the team’s MVP…

that just goes to show you the politicans are wrong about mary-jay[/quote]

You are 18, have been lifting for a month and have man boobs.

I wish you the best of luck and think pot should be legalized but you are the last person that should be giving advice on pot and lifting.

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[quote]The Assasin wrote:
everyday before i work out i smoke a blunt…it does help but it depends what type of person you are and your tolerence level for marijuana. for example my friend cannot smoke without feeling like he has to go to sleep within 5 minutes of working out…

i’ve never pitched a baseball game without smoking either… last season i had 3 perfect games, about a 1.50 ERA, and led the county in strikeouts, for all this i was named to the all-county team and given honors as the team’s MVP…

that just goes to show you the politicans are wrong about mary-jay[/quote]

Nice job. Does anyone else know about this habit of yours? How much money do you spend on marijuana?

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[quote]The Assasin wrote:
everyday before i work out i smoke a blunt…it does help but it depends what type of person you are and your tolerence level for marijuana. for example my friend cannot smoke without feeling like he has to go to sleep within 5 minutes of working out…

i’ve never pitched a baseball game without smoking either… last season i had 3 perfect games, about a 1.50 ERA, and led the county in strikeouts, for all this i was named to the all-county team and given honors as the team’s MVP… [/quote]

Look, that’s great and all, but that kind of use has to be holding you back. Imagine what you could achieve if you weren’t out of your head all the time?

I’m not against marijuana, just against abuse. Getting stoned is great. Getting stoned everyday is a problem.

But as many have said, we all make our own choices about what we put into our bodies.

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I just smoked a joint the other day with a friend.
I hadnt smoked it in about 2 weeks.
I couldnt belive how inefficently my lungs worked the next couple of days afterwards. The difference in my cardio system was astronomical.

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[quote]simon-hecubus wrote:
SkyNett wrote:
Nice.

“I saw its blood on the leaves, when the big man was killed.”

Bonus points for anyone who gets the movie reference. : )

That would be the little Columbian (Venezualan?) girl in Predator. Not sure what that has to do with weed, but there it is.[/quote]

That’s it. Good job.

The “big man” is Jesse Ventura (Blain in the flick) and someone posted that Jesse Ventura rant about alcohol vs weed - so I thought it appropriate.

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this is one example of what is wrong with our drug laws

http://www.tribune-chronicle.com/news/articles.asp?articleID=13616

you may have to cut and paste

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Sounds to me like a great idea for Planet Fitness enthusiasts – they “feel the burn” – both in a smoky car in the gym parking lot and in the gym with their near-bodyweight machine “chest press.” With plenty of bagels and pizza among a myriad of other “munchies,” presumably.

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so aside from the possible side effect of zoning out and not performing as well because of mental focus reasons, it also temporarily lowers test, and apparently takes 24 hours for your T levels to return to normal.

I also looked at a few studies that showed that cronically smoking a huge amount of weed can lower T-levels, but that it’s reversable because as soon as you stop smoking your body brings your T back to where it was. So even cronic pot smokers dont have much to worry about as far as T levels go.

Personally, I wouldn’t be able to lift high. That’s just me though. I like playing sports stoned, but I can’t imagine heavy lifting would be a pleasurable experience stoned.

So basically, lifting high isn’t a very good idea because your test is lowered by the weed. If you’re gunna smoke, I’d suggest doing it when you have a day off the next day.

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also, maybe that explains why a lot of pot heads generally lack aggression.

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I have heard of stoner lifters. They are people who one day say something like “I want to look like Arnold” and then don’t work out because they got high. Everybody knows that weed takes away motivation to do anything. Also it is costly and bad for your lungs.

Weed as a pre-workout supplement is the stupidest idea I have heard of so far. People who claim their concentration is greater when on weed are living in a false reality, filled with leprachans and other such fantasy characters.