Show me a chronic pot smoker (someone who does it on a regular basis, not every now and then or a few times in the past) who is doing anything to better society. Because in all honesty every chronic smoker I have met in my life time has been for lack of better words lazy.[/quote]
Weed is not the cause of this, an individuals actions are. I have always hated that stereotype. If you take the Marijuana away from that “unproductive person”, they are still going to be an unproductive person.
I was a chronic marijuana abuser for about 5 years. I smoked it probably about 5 times a day on average. When i woke up, at work, after work, before bed, sometimes when i would wake up in the middle of the night. Recently I have cut back big time. Now I smoke it about once every 3 days. I will tell you one thing, I feel a hell of a lot better. More energy, more sociable, more focused during workouts.And best of all, my anxiety attacks I used to get when in public places are totally gone. When I am doing squats I don’t get out of breathe as easily.
My conclusion from being an experienced pot user is that everything has its time and place. The workout room, school, work, and such other places are not one of them. Everything in moderation. Oh, and I have tried working out high, and I got fatigued very easily. Probably not from being high itself, but probably from breathing in smoke.
What’s up folks, just wanna give my 2 cents since I’m an expert on the subject. I don’t really feel like writing much atm since I just got back from the gym, but i’ll tell you this. Smoking chronic and lifting weights don’t really mix. If you do smoke 5 times a day then you really have no choice but to work though it, but there’s a catch.
YES you can get amped up and become more focused during a workout while high, but it won’t happen everytime. It’s very unpredictable. One day you could have tons more mental focus then the next time be totally drained. So it’s not the best idea, but like I said if you smoke 5-10 times a day then just work though it and it’s all gravy.
There are other factors involved as well, such as the type of weed you’re smoking. Pure indica smoke will make it A LOT harder to keep that mental focus, where as pure sativa is a much different high and is preferred for things like lifting. In California we have 100’s of pot clubs to choose from and 1000’s of strains so the choice is yours.
All in all it’s best to get some Spike from Biotest (which I just ordered) to get that mental edge. Thank you for reading.
Marijuana is not the real problem. No drug is the problem (with the exception of harsh stuff like cocaine and meth which are highly addictive). It’s like I have seen over and over; it’s the bloody idiots who choose to do it and use it as a crutch. They let a little plant or some chemicals from some Dutch guy’s lab (ok stereotype…sorry) rule them.
It takes a certain kind of person to control themselves so that they don’t spend all their time high or wishing they were. There are stoners who’re productive, generally good people. Weed doesn’t make you the anti-christ. This is true. But I will stick out my neck and go so far as to say 80-90% of stoners I have met, especially after a few years, have changed and not for the better.
It also has to do with the people you deal with and your enviroment. Case and point, one girl I have known since 2004. Then, she was staunchly anti-drug. In the past year or two she’s gotten more and more into smoking weed and other goodies.
It was her boyfriend (she was pretty stupid in listening to him by doing this shit to begin with) that got her into it. Now she’ll just sit there, toke and watch fucked up stuff on Youtube or on tee-vee for hours. When her best friend confronts her about it, she will totally stone-wall (no pun). And I think it goes without saying, but people who stone-wall know they’re wrong but won’t admit it.
This is clearly a case of someone who shouldn’t be doing it. It seems these same 80-90% of people who’re unproductive and slowly becoming a shallow version of themselves use it to cope with problems or deal with life. They have addiction issues and don’t have the fortitude to deal with life on their own. Trust me, they don’t have life worse than me or a number of others who choose not stay sober or smoke up only on occasion.
They don’t seem to like themselves but won’t do the hard thing and change themselves or their situation for the better. That’s where it becomes a crutch. It’s an easy, if temporary way out. In the case of my friend, she doesn’t seem to like herself which is truly sad. I see so many wonderful people who were once bright, promising people just break down and hit bottom.
In conclusion, before the hippie-cabbage smokers get all ‘you’re a government troll’ on me let me re-state that it’s not the weed, it’s the people.
Weed does decrease T-levels. I forgot who it was, but an article author on T-Nation wrote on testosterone and its relationhip to drugs. apparently, weed and alcohol decerease the alpha receptor(who knows what that is) which causes more ‘T’ to be produced so it can be absorbed.
That is why you get horny when your high and drunk.
However, afterwards, I am unsure if it drops T levels
I hope weed is legalized. Everyone has smoked at one point or another. It is deleterious to punish people for harmless habits.
[quote]Hawkson101 wrote:
Weed does decrease T-levels. I forgot who it was, but an article author on T-Nation wrote on testosterone and its relationhip to drugs. apparently, weed and alcohol decerease the alpha receptor(who knows what that is) which causes more ‘T’ to be produced so it can be absorbed.
That is why you get horny when your high and drunk.
However, afterwards, I am unsure if it drops T levels
I hope weed is legalized. Everyone has smoked at one point or another. It is deleterious to punish people for harmless habits.[/quote]
I read that article and asked then where the current proof is. Do you know there are studies in the 60’s PROVING that steroids do NOT cause muscle growth? Why? Because government politics plays a part in getting grants for studies…which plays a part in some results of those studies. That is why I would never look at some study done on Marijuana in America before the 1990’s. Be more skeptical, not less.
I haven’t heard anything about it either. Placebo effect? Or even a calming of the nerves effect (over psyching up, calm down to optimal levels). Maybe it is a concentration thing (people who smoke and drive tend to be better drivers as they are more “paranoid” and focus on the task at hand see below).
For Hero, I don’t know if you ever smoked up or have done any research on the matter (besides much of the propaganda put out by the government). The following is some links to documentaries on the subject at hand;
The Magic Weed: The Magic Weed looks at the origins and history of cannabis, covering its many uses throughout the years and dispelling the rampant myths surrounding it. http://www.veoh.com/videos/e164654hqWN4ZRa
Alcohol/Marijuana and Driving, …moderately drunk might be better off under some conditions if they had also smoked.
For the more informed,
Marijuanalogues - The Vagina Monologues… for pot heads:
It’s funny how Alcohol and Smoking tobacco is legal and for the most part Marijuana is not. You can make a case for marijuana as medicine in many areas, but you won’t for alcohol and smoking tobacco. Deaths caused by alcohol and smoking tobacco is far greater in number than if Marijuana has caused any.
i smoke weed quite often but NEVER before a workout. I simply would lose all motivation as well as focus.
Smoking afterwards is another story. I prefer to lift, drink my post work out Surge + creatine. I take two Beta 7’s and I wait an hour to eat a high protein/fat meal and then follow that up with a joint before hitting up my xbox360 before bed.
[quote]HERO wrote:
BigRagoo wrote:
Wow, nothing but stereotypes.
Show me a chronic pot smoker (someone who does it on a regular basis, not every now and then or a few times in the past) who is doing anything to better society. Because in all honesty every chronic smoker I have met in my life time has been for lack of better words lazy.[/quote]
Chronic smoker here. Lately been smoking about three to four times a week in the evenings after my workouts and before my xbox live sessions.
Not sure if I’m doing anything to better society per se but I am definitely putting in the time and effort to better myself.
I have a B.S. in Organizational Behavior and Communications and I’m halfway through my Masters in Public Health.
I work full time in NYC in a respectable position and I go to school full time. I also find the time to lift four times a week (currently on my own hybrid version of TBT & HFT). Twice a week I wake up at 5:45am to get to the swimming pool to put in some cardio before I get to the office by 9am.
I have become recently engaged, I own a home and I’m very happy with my life and all my accomplishments.
I am far from lazy.
But I’m curious. What are YOU doing to better society?
[quote]oldcrabbybastard wrote:
I spoke with an old friend of mine and I told him about this site as we used to lift together back in highschool ('87). He said he smokes weed before he lifts and it gives him intense concentration and a great pump due to the vasodialtion effect of the drug. Has anyone else heard of stoner lifters?[/quote]
I was one and it did give me intense concentration. I hit several PR’s when I was doing that. Mind you there is a difference in amount. If you get blinded out of your mind, you will suck. If you take just a little bit, it’s a boost.
That was years ago though, I don’t do it anymore, I spend enough on supplements as it is.
This is generally scoffed at in the “community” but I believe it is worth researching, there is certainly something to it.
[quote]carlospimpos wrote:
hardwork wrote:
carlospimpos wrote:
It kills your hormone levels and therefore at best will cut your gains in half.
Weed kills hormone levels? I’m not trying to argue, I’ve just never heard that. Could you put a link up with some research proving that or something? I know alcohol can lower test levels, but weed?
Basically states that THC influences the function of your balls, and significantly reduces T-levels .
Hope that helps.[/quote]
They gave mice 25 micrograms! That’s a lot of THC. I don’t think most casual users consume that equivilant amount of strait THC. I am pretty sure 12 milligrams of strait THC would knock you on your ass.
[quote]HERO wrote:
BigRagoo wrote:
Wow, nothing but stereotypes.
Show me a chronic pot smoker (someone who does it on a regular basis, not every now and then or a few times in the past) who is doing anything to better society. Because in all honesty every chronic smoker I have met in my life time has been for lack of better words lazy.[/quote]
Well, I do have my masters, I do teach honors and A.P. courses, I’m very active in my community, a successful and liked coach. Oh, and did I mention I’ve smoked over 15 years, on pretty much a daily basis.
[quote]BigRagoo wrote:
HERO wrote:
BigRagoo wrote:
Wow, nothing but stereotypes.
Show me a chronic pot smoker (someone who does it on a regular basis, not every now and then or a few times in the past) who is doing anything to better society. Because in all honesty every chronic smoker I have met in my life time has been for lack of better words lazy.
You probably know someone that is a chronic smoker, but haven’t put it toghether because they don’t talk about it. Lazy people are like they are because they have no desire to improve themselves or anything else. Pot just gives them an excuse to hide behind.[/quote]
Agreed. There are a whole shitload of people out there who smoke weed, and you would never have guessed it. Pot smokers include everything from burned out lazy stoner types, to highly motivated professionals. The burned out stoner types are the ones who advertize though.
Back to the original question, I could see how it would help some folks become more focused and intense, but it would never work for me. I have no problem with weed, and would still smoke occasionally myself if I was not drug tested. I would keep it to after my workouts, in the evenings, at home, with plenty of tasty protein around.
[quote]unforgiven2 wrote:
HERO wrote:
BigRagoo wrote:
Wow, nothing but stereotypes.
Show me a chronic pot smoker (someone who does it on a regular basis, not every now and then or a few times in the past) who is doing anything to better society. Because in all honesty every chronic smoker I have met in my life time has been for lack of better words lazy.
Well, I do have my masters, I do teach honors and A.P. courses, I’m very active in my community, a successful and liked coach. Oh, and did I mention I’ve smoked over 15 years, on pretty much a daily basis.
[/quote]
Yah… that speaks for yourself. What about everybody else who uses pot on a frequent basis and does nothing for themselves?
Yea, yea, yea. Smoking leads to doing nothing in life. It serves no purpose but to allow intuitive individuals to play video games all day at their mom’s house. Living in their mother’s basement, smoking pot all day, doing nothing else but living for the weed.
I think it depends on use and the person. I mean, is a ‘Chronic Smoker’ someone who smokes it every day / most days? Or is it someone who smokes a shit load everyday? There is a big difference…
Someone who smokes a shit load everyday, well, they will constantly be a little ‘spaced out’ at the least, and possibly a little too relaxed to do anything productive…
But what about the people who just ‘have a smoke’ everyday, myself included. It’s a ‘winding down’ thing, I normally have a very busy day to day schedule so I find relaxing important. I also find that a smoke makes relaxing so much better
It’s like the difference between someone who has a glass of wine every night, and an alcoholic - not that i particularly want to bring up the ‘weed vs alcohol’ debate, but the reason it’s such a popular topic is because it’s a strong point.
Personally, I feel that stereotyping all ‘chronic’ weed smokers as no hopers etc is like stereotyping everyone who has a drink to be alcoholics.
I smoke most days, at the end of the day to chill out. I don’t mix it up with any other day to day activities, just because, for me, I wouldn’t be as focused, would feel too laid back to do anything strenuous but at the same time, when I do other things (i.e. train), smoking weed doesn’t enter my mind…
Show me a chronic pot smoker (someone who does it on a regular basis, not every now and then or a few times in the past) who is doing anything to better society. Because in all honesty every chronic smoker I have met in my life time has been for lack of better words lazy.
Well, I do have my masters, I do teach honors and A.P. courses, I’m very active in my community, a successful and liked coach. Oh, and did I mention I’ve smoked over 15 years, on pretty much a daily basis.
Yah… that speaks for yourself. What about everybody else who uses pot on a frequent basis and does nothing for themselves?[/quote]
I have friends from a wide variety, carpenters, a lawyer, doctor, insurance salesman, insurance salesman’s wife, other teachers, law enforcement(well he doesn’t like he used to), they’re all pretty much daily smokers as well.
In all fairness I have some friends that are lazy MF’ers as well. However, some of them don’t smoke.
