Weed and Lifting?

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Come on… This is a ridiculous discussion- You could spend the money that you use for a gym membership, supplements, or anything else for better things than that if your’e really so gung ho about saving the world. I don’t smoke weed (anymore) so don’t get me wrong, but I’ve worked in soup kitchens, volunteered at churches, helped homeless in europe, tutored math high in the past and I don’t really think it’s anything special. I 've also learned a foreign language (this one) and have done many other things whilst high.

Growing up in europe I am pretty sure that the petty war on drugs here is being fought for no cause- most kids over there go in and out of a phase of smoking and drinking but most people I know are over it by the time they’re 19-20. It’s certainly not like here where kids go off to college and waste their parents money on drug/alcohol addictions because they have never been able to try it and it’s some forbidden thing that seems super attractive.

Anyways maybe you should use the money that you spend on an internet connection and give it to starving children in america, south america, africa, europe or anywhere else and save the world. you could probably stop chewing gum, going to movies, eating out etc… you’ll save the world in no time… get real.

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[quote]hankr wrote:
…uminformed…[/quote]

Stoner.

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[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
hankr wrote:
…uminformed…

Stoner.[/quote]

Yep. Stoner with keyboard dyslexia.

As to replying to HERO’s posts above, the Prof is doing better than I ever could.

PS Zap Branigan…hmm…Futurama is a stoner cartoon if I ever saw one :slight_smile:

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I could not work out while thinking of brownies, cheeze its, and chocolate chip cookies.

Everyone spends their money on time on what they want…for them it works. As far is it being illegal, that’s a joke. More trouble is caused by alcohol than by weed. I don’t smoke (i did at one time) but my friends that do also help stimulate the economy with all food they buy while they are high.

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[quote]HERO wrote:
Oh and by the way, have you ever spoken with someone who has been smoking pot for a long period of time (aka, a few years) They arnt exactly the most intelligent people in the world. Much less a productive member of society. [/quote]

LMAO! You’ve obviously never been to California. Care to guess how many movie producers, doctors, lawyers, and other professionals who smoke weed? It’s a lot.

In fact, I doubt you know many people earning six figures. Off the top of my head, I can think of two very close friends who smoke weed (and have smoked weed for years, if not decades) who are making over 200K. I can think of dozens of acquitances who smoke week and make six figures.

Probably in your peer group, everyone is a loser. Thus, when you look around at the pot smokers, you see losers. But when EVERYONE you know is a loser, you can’t blame the weed!

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[quote]HERO wrote:
Oh I’m sorry, I mistook the death of brain cells for lung cancer, thats a much better way to go.

Oh and by the way, have you ever spoken with someone who has been smoking pot for a long period of time (aka, a few years) They arnt exactly the most intelligent people in the world. Much less a productive member of society. [/quote]

I should have read your profile before responding to your post. You are 6’1" and 175 pounds. What do you know about success?

My guess is you’re in college. Once you get out into the wide, wide world, you’ll realize how stupid your post was. (That’s assuming, of course, you ever work around wealthy people. You’ll realize that people in high-stress professions need a way to wind down. Many opt for marijuana.)

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[quote]CaliforniaLaw wrote:
HERO wrote:
Oh and by the way, have you ever spoken with someone who has been smoking pot for a long period of time (aka, a few years) They arnt exactly the most intelligent people in the world. Much less a productive member of society.

LMAO! You’ve obviously never been to California. Care to guess how many movie producers, doctors, lawyers, and other professionals who smoke weed? It’s a lot.

In fact, I doubt you know many people earning six figures. Off the top of my head, I can think of two very close friends who smoke weed (and have smoked weed for years, if not decades) who are making over 200K. I can think of dozens of acquitances who smoke week and make six figures.

Probably in your peer group, everyone is a loser. Thus, when you look around at the pot smokers, you see losers. But when EVERYONE you know is a loser, you can’t blame the weed![/quote]

It’s true. I can think off the top of my head of teachers, lawyers, and accountants who get high every night.

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[quote]HERO wrote:
BigRagoo wrote:
Wow, nothing but stereotypes.

Show me a chronic pot smoker (someone who does it on a regular basis, not every now and then or a few times in the past) who is doing anything to better society. Because in all honesty every chronic smoker I have met in my life time has been for lack of better words lazy.[/quote]

Actually, I know many people in top law schools, med schools, and the like who are regular if not habitual smokers. Not only do many of them work hard and do well in school. But they are quite intelligent and sharp.

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[quote]oldcrabbybastard wrote:
yes, i have and the past questions and reponses were lame[/quote]

Sorry, buddy. As far as I can tell, the responses this time have been no different or better. That’s because there’s not all that much to say on the issue. Smoking can be enjoyable and relaxing. It’s not great for lung function. The evidence shows that extensive use can lead to emphysema, though unlike tobacco, it doesn’t seem to greatly promote lung cancer.

Unlike alcohol, the research has not panned out that marijuana has any significant effect on testosterone or hormone function. I doubt any studies have been done so you won’t get any empirical evidence on the issue. but I am highly suspicious of marijuana improving concentration before lifting.

Maybe on a subjective level, someone would feel ‘in the zone’. But I feel this would be outweighed by compromised judgment, susceptibility to distraction, and poor lifting practices. I think liting drunk or high would be very stupid. Tobacco smoke is a vaso-constrictor in the lungs. Marijuana, by contrast, is a vaso-dialator. So, there might well be a general vaso-dilatory effect as a whole.

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I find that the lawyers/teachers/med school etc etc. who smoke weed is pretty cool. I mean if someone can make something of themselves, and stay focused with their profession, and anything else in life they want to achieve. And at the same time they smoke just to let loose, get faded n relax. That’s fine. They know their priorities. They know their responsibilites. If they are lawyers and medical etc. then they obviously know what they are doing.

I think it IS a waste for someone to just smoke all day, and do nothing productive with themselves or help someone out. But it is their life so I couldn’t really give a shit lol.

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[quote]HERO wrote:
BigRagoo wrote:
Wow, nothing but stereotypes.

Show me a chronic pot smoker (someone who does it on a regular basis, not every now and then or a few times in the past) who is doing anything to better society. Because in all honesty every chronic smoker I have met in my life time has been for lack of better words lazy.[/quote]

I’m 27 years old and have been smoking for about the last 8 years. When I’m not traveling for work it’s pretty much daily. I say I get high at least 250 days out of the year.

That being said, I have a BS in Chemical Engineering and am about half way through an MBA with a 4.0. I’m getting my MBA going part time at night, and I have to miss about a third of the classes to travel for work. I have an consulting job with 6 people working under me.

I’m well respected by my peers and have an active social life. I’m captain of my men’s league soccer team and was voted MVP of the team by my teammates last season. We came in 4th place out of 20 teams in our first year after moving up to a tougher division. I’m 6’2, 185 with 8% BF. My max bench was 250 over the summer. I haven’t tested my squat and bench recently, but I’ve taken 385 to parallel and pulled 405 from the floor in the past.

Maybe not impressive to some, but it’s hard to work on the squat numbers and still be able to run 90 minutes on Sunday morning. My mom thinks I’m pretty special, too.

Don’t believe the hype. I’m smoked with doctors and lawyers and moms and dads. All “doing something better for society.”

As far as smoking and lifting, I’ll do it every once in a while, but like some other people suggested I don’t try to set any PRs. A slight buzz and my iPod can sometimes really help me dial in a session and tune out some of the other things that are weighing on my mind. Occasionally, I’ll even puff a little before a game. Just a little helps loosen me up and increase the creativity. Too much too close to kickoff and it may take me 10 or 15 minutes to get my head right. It’s a tight line to walk. You have to understand how your body responds.

Don’t get me wrong, I do have some friends who smoke and they’re lazy bastards. I also have friends who don’t smoke and are lazy bastards. It’s just like they say that steroids don’t make you an asshole, they just make assholes bigger assholes. Weed doesn’t make you lazy, but it sure doesn’t help if you’re already lazy.

…and I can’t believe I bothered responding to that.

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[quote]hankr wrote:

PS Zap Branigan…hmm…Futurama is a stoner cartoon if I ever saw one :)[/quote]

You’re goddamned right it is. I can’t wait until they bring it back.

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[quote]hardwork wrote:
carlospimpos wrote:
It kills your hormone levels and therefore at best will cut your gains in half.

Weed kills hormone levels? I’m not trying to argue, I’ve just never heard that. Could you put a link up with some research proving that or something? I know alcohol can lower test levels, but weed?
[/quote]

Basically states that THC influences the function of your balls, and significantly reduces T-levels .

Hope that helps.

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Kind of funny how much marijuana gets bashed, considering it’s very mild effects. Look at painkillers, alcohol, smoking or fast food for worse side effects.

Personally I never drink, but I smoke once in a while and still keep a healthy diet and train regularly. Compare periods of smoking and non-smoking I still make the same much progress.

As for smoking before training, it usually doesn’t do much but I can feel a bit slower then usual. Sometimes I have a great training stoned, but not often enough, so as a rule I just smoke afterwards, and always in a social environment. I don’t see what the big deal is?

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[quote]carlospimpos wrote:
hardwork wrote:
carlospimpos wrote:
It kills your hormone levels and therefore at best will cut your gains in half.

Weed kills hormone levels? I’m not trying to argue, I’ve just never heard that. Could you put a link up with some research proving that or something? I know alcohol can lower test levels, but weed?

Basically states that THC influences the function of your balls, and significantly reduces T-levels .

Hope that helps.[/quote]

We call that “oversimplification”, especially when the only test subject is a lab rat. I haven’t seen one study in the last 20 years that suggests any such thing occurs in humans. Considering the propanganda of the time period, I would be skeptical of most tests done before the 1990’s.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
carlospimpos wrote:
hardwork wrote:
carlospimpos wrote:
It kills your hormone levels and therefore at best will cut your gains in half.

Weed kills hormone levels? I’m not trying to argue, I’ve just never heard that. Could you put a link up with some research proving that or something? I know alcohol can lower test levels, but weed?

Basically states that THC influences the function of your balls, and significantly reduces T-levels .

Hope that helps.

We call that “oversimplification”, especially when the only test subject is a lab rat. I haven’t seen one study in the last 20 years that suggests any such thing occurs in humans. Considering the propanganda of the time period, I would be skeptical of most tests done before the 1990’s. [/quote]

WERD

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[quote]HERO wrote:

Show me a chronic pot smoker (someone who does it on a regular basis, not every now and then or a few times in the past) who is doing anything to better society. Because in all honesty every chronic smoker I have met in my life time has been for lack of better words lazy.[/quote]

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[quote]ill wrote:
Kind of funny how much marijuana gets bashed, considering it’s very mild effects. Look at painkillers, alcohol, smoking or fast food for worse side effects.

Personally I never drink, but I smoke once in a while and still keep a healthy diet and train regularly. Compare periods of smoking and non-smoking I still make the same much progress.
[/quote]
He speaks the truth. More people die from cigs, alchohol related, and heart problems then pot. I bet 90% of the people who are bashing weed in this thread are skinnyfat with bitchtits. Arnold blazed up WHILE he was huge, now he’s a fucking political icon.

Hell even Bush was known to snort a few lines in his time, and look how he’s conquering this planet for his own families legacy. The man is getting shit done!(For himself of course)

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
HERO wrote:
Oh I’m sorry, I mistook the death of brain cells for lung cancer, thats a much better way to go.

Recent studies are actually showing a DECREASE in lung cancer in those who smoke weed. (Forensic Drug Abuse Advisor, 18(6):45-46, 2006) It is now believed that THC in marijuana and nicotine in tobacco counteract each other. THC apparently blocks enzymes that promote cancer development decreasing the effects of free radicals from nicotine use.

I know it is a trend to quote after school specials, but the truth is, this is one “drug/plant” the US is wasting millions of dollars fighting when the effects don’t justify the “war”.

It is beyond stupid that myth has taken the place of truth just so we can “save the children”. What would happen if we simply quit “lying to the children”?[/quote]

Damn well said.

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HERO, it’s good to see you start to admit that some of your preconceptions were wrong. Honestly they are understandable considering the propaganda campaigns and your age.

A friend of mine, who smoked in High School, and I were having a discussion when we were both about your age. At that time he was pre-med. He was then giving the same lines that you gave, “kills brain cells, etc”. He went so far as to say “everyone knows this is true!” Well I suggested he ask his professors (again he was pre-med).

I was surprised several months later when he told me he actually did just that. Turns out all of his preconceptions were completely false. It?s amazing how accurate information can change one?s views.