Stoners aren’t all stupid, ill-motivated people. Just most of them I’ve ever met. Seriously, I don’t know any non-naturally gifted athletes who sparked up and got anywhere i.e. college and pros in both sports I have played/trained in (football and wrestling). In fact I watched a few promising athletes turn into lazy, fat bastards.
i wouldn’t do it, but thats me. i do find it helps out while hiking though. but not lifting. i rather enjoy the high than go off and lift weights. i dont’ smoke afterwards either.
i usually just smoke before bed
[quote]carlospimpos wrote:
It kills your hormone levels and therefore at best will cut your gains in half.[/quote]
Weed kills hormone levels? I’m not trying to argue, I’ve just never heard that. Could you put a link up with some research proving that or something? I know alcohol can lower test levels, but weed?
Do what you will with your life, but personally I rather not waste my time or money spacing out, because there are infinite better things we all could be doing with both.
Its just a shame that people would rather pay money to get stoned for a few hours then doing something usefull and or helpful. After all there are people starving in the streets, diseases that need cures, and a planet thats being destroyed daily. But hell, who gives a sh!t? Lets all get high and forget about it all.
[quote]HERO wrote:
Oh I’m sorry, I mistook the death of brain cells for lung cancer, thats a much better way to go.
Oh and by the way, have you ever spoken with someone who has been smoking pot for a long period of time (aka, a few years) They arnt exactly the most intelligent people in the world. Much less a productive member of society. [/quote]
Wanna compare 1040s? I’ve smoked on and off since 1968 and I guarantee that I make more bank and employ / provide work for more people than you. My I.Q. tests in the upper 120s every time.
What have you produced besides uminformed posts?
[quote]Sxio wrote:
Look, it’s a bad idea. You might think it helps, but i’m 100% certain that is doesn’t.
Get psyched up, hit some caffeine, hit some protein, smash some weights. Not a headspace getting stoned lends itself to.
If you must, spark on up afterwards and go raid a buffet but getting stoned is good to 1) play computer games 2) watch movies and 3) eat stuff. Not for lifting weights. [/quote]
I agree pretty much with the above, but he has the trinity wrong. Weed goes best with:
- Music
- Food
- Sex
Combine all three and win the George Costanza award. Personally, I only smoke a couple times / month, usually in the wee hours when it helps me sleep.
[quote]HERO wrote:
BigRagoo wrote:
Wow, nothing but stereotypes.
Show me a chronic pot smoker (someone who does it on a regular basis, not every now and then or a few times in the past) who is doing anything to better society. Because in all honesty every chronic smoker I have met in my life time has been for lack of better words lazy.[/quote]
You probably know someone that is a chronic smoker, but haven’t put it toghether because they don’t talk about it. Lazy people are like they are because they have no desire to improve themselves or anything else. Pot just gives them an excuse to hide behind.
[quote]HERO wrote:
Oh I’m sorry, I mistook the death of brain cells for lung cancer, thats a much better way to go.
[/quote]
Recent studies are actually showing a DECREASE in lung cancer in those who smoke weed. (Forensic Drug Abuse Advisor, 18(6):45-46, 2006) It is now believed that THC in marijuana and nicotine in tobacco counteract each other. THC apparently blocks enzymes that promote cancer development decreasing the effects of free radicals from nicotine use.
I know it is a trend to quote after school specials, but the truth is, this is one “drug/plant” the US is wasting millions of dollars fighting when the effects don’t justify the “war”.
It is beyond stupid that myth has taken the place of truth just so we can “save the children”. What would happen if we simply quit “lying to the children”?
[quote]hankr wrote:
HERO wrote:
Oh I’m sorry, I mistook the death of brain cells for lung cancer, thats a much better way to go.
Oh and by the way, have you ever spoken with someone who has been smoking pot for a long period of time (aka, a few years) They arnt exactly the most intelligent people in the world. Much less a productive member of society.
Wanna compare 1040s? I’ve smoked on and off since 1968 and I guarantee that I make more bank and employ / provide work for more people than you. My I.Q. tests in the upper 120s every time.
What have you produced besides uminformed posts?[/quote]
You honestly think that every dime you have spent on pot could not have been put to better use? And you are arguing intelligence with me? Please.
And I do believe I had stated chronic smokers, not on again off again, so your argument is moot.
As far as my contributions? I have been to Africa to help in an aids relief program, I spend an afternoon every week helping out at a local homeless shelter, I helped in the relief programs for both 9/11 and hurricane Katrina, and that?s just to name a few.
Show me a chronic smoker who has the motivation to do half that, because I haven?t met any. And congrats on your IQ test, too bad one of the questions wasnt: Do you waste your time and money on illegal narcotics? Because if so, you wouldnt have done as well.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
HERO wrote:
Oh I’m sorry, I mistook the death of brain cells for lung cancer, thats a much better way to go.
Recent studies are actually showing a DECREASE in lung cancer in those who smoke weed. (Forensic Drug Abuse Advisor, 18(6):45-46, 2006) It is now believed that THC in marijuana and nicotine in tobacco counteract each other. THC apparently blocks enzymes that promote cancer development decreasing the effects of free radicals from nicotine use.
I know it is a trend to quote after school specials, but the truth is, this is one “drug/plant” the US is wasting millions of dollars fighting when the effects don’t justify the “war”.
It is beyond stupid that myth has taken the place of truth just so we can “save the children”. What would happen if we simply quit “lying to the children”?[/quote]
Thank you for bringing that to my attention, but I think the point I am more or less trying to get across is that there are better things one can be doing. But we do live in a society of instant gratification, so few tend to even think about these kinds of things.
Your information is much appreciated though.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
It is beyond stupid that myth has taken the place of truth just so we can “save the children”. What would happen if we simply quit “lying to the children”?[/quote]
It makes too much sense and nullifies the money machine that is the DEA. Pot is the biggest cash crop in the world. So it only makes since for the gov. to fight it as it will always be around and will always keep forces like the DEA afloat. Take the cash cow away, and they’ll flounder. And let’s face it, once a gov department is started, it doesn’t go away.
[quote]HERO wrote:
Professor X wrote:
HERO wrote:
Oh I’m sorry, I mistook the death of brain cells for lung cancer, thats a much better way to go.
Recent studies are actually showing a DECREASE in lung cancer in those who smoke weed. (Forensic Drug Abuse Advisor, 18(6):45-46, 2006) It is now believed that THC in marijuana and nicotine in tobacco counteract each other. THC apparently blocks enzymes that promote cancer development decreasing the effects of free radicals from nicotine use.
I know it is a trend to quote after school specials, but the truth is, this is one “drug/plant” the US is wasting millions of dollars fighting when the effects don’t justify the “war”.
It is beyond stupid that myth has taken the place of truth just so we can “save the children”. What would happen if we simply quit “lying to the children”?
Thank you for bringing that to my attention, but I think the point I am more or less trying to get across is that there are better things one can be doing. But we do live in a society of instant gratification, so few tend to even think about these kinds of things.
Your information is much appreciated though.
[/quote]
You could be doing better things than typing on this forum…but you are NOT. You could have bEEN doing better things for the past two pages…but you did NOT. You could have saved the money from getting drunk that one weekend. But you did NOT. You could have not screwed that ugly chick in high school and saved a condom. But you did NOT.
I do believe in a world full of shit to do, you could possibly almost always be doing something “better”. You have no point if that is the one solid argument you are making for why billions of dollars spent on keeping this drug “illegal” makes any sense at all.
A buddy of mine has his pre-workout toke like I have my pre-workout meal but he is a chronic smoker and is VERY familiar with the effects. He claims it helps him focus better and pushes me to try it but I was never a big fan of weed or the lazy ass potato I morphed into when I got high.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
HERO wrote:
Professor X wrote:
HERO wrote:
Oh I’m sorry, I mistook the death of brain cells for lung cancer, thats a much better way to go.
Recent studies are actually showing a DECREASE in lung cancer in those who smoke weed. (Forensic Drug Abuse Advisor, 18(6):45-46, 2006) It is now believed that THC in marijuana and nicotine in tobacco counteract each other. THC apparently blocks enzymes that promote cancer development decreasing the effects of free radicals from nicotine use.
I know it is a trend to quote after school specials, but the truth is, this is one “drug/plant” the US is wasting millions of dollars fighting when the effects don’t justify the “war”.
It is beyond stupid that myth has taken the place of truth just so we can “save the children”. What would happen if we simply quit “lying to the children”?
Thank you for bringing that to my attention, but I think the point I am more or less trying to get across is that there are better things one can be doing. But we do live in a society of instant gratification, so few tend to even think about these kinds of things.
Your information is much appreciated though.
You could be doing better things than typing on this forum…but you are NOT. You could have bEEN doing better things for the past two pages…but you did NOT. You could have saved the money from getting drunk that one weekend. But you did NOT. You could have not screwed that ugly chick in high school and saved a condom. But you did NOT.
I do believe in a world full of shit to do, you could possibly almost always be doing something “better”. You have no point if that is the one solid argument you are making for why billions of dollars spent on keeping this drug “illegal” makes any sense at all.[/quote]
I was unaware that the debate was on why our country is wasting money to keep weed illegal. I personally dont agree with the ?war on drugs? because I ? as you ? think its a waste of money. On the same token I dont condone the use of drugs for the reasons I have previously stated. The ?self medicating? people do with drugs, to me, seems like a selfish act and an abandonment of responsibility to the rest of mankind. However that leads to the question of why we are here and what is our purpose. So depending on a persons view on ?the meaning of life? their decisions as to what to do with their time would obviously change. Im more inclined to believe that we are here to help others and to grow as not only people but a society, case and point, having a discussion on an internet forum. This is why I try to avoid too much self indulgence, however I do agree that everyone needs some least we go crazy.
This is just my point of view, and if you disagree with me then so be it, no harm done.
[quote]HERO wrote:
This is just my point of view, and if you disagree with me then so be it, no harm done.
[/quote]
It’s not so much that anyone disagreed with you, moreso that you made a broad generalization based on your aversion to it. It would have been better for you to just say you don’t agree.
[quote]HERO wrote:
I was unaware that the debate was on why our country is wasting money to keep weed illegal. I personally dont agree with the ?war on drugs? because I ? as you ? think its a waste of money. On the same token I dont condone the use of drugs for the reasons I have previously stated. The ?self medicating? people do with drugs, to me, seems like a selfish act and an abandonment of responsibility to the rest of mankind. However that leads to the question of why we are here and what is our purpose. So depending on a persons view on ?the meaning of life? their decisions as to what to do with their time would obviously change. Im more inclined to believe that we are here to help others and to grow as not only people but a society, case and point, having a discussion on an internet forum. This is why I try to avoid too much self indulgence, however I do agree that everyone needs some least we go crazy.
This is just my point of view, and if you disagree with me then so be it, no harm done.
[/quote]
What happens in your world if someone accomplishes more good than you and helps more people but also smokes weed? Is that the moment trumpets sounds and angels call us all home? Does the world explode?
I am simply wondering because it would seem to me that in a world filled with people, someone somewhere is doing a shit load of good for others while smoking a joint. I have never been that closed minded and it doesn’t even take the experience of smoking to realize that your perspective is limited.
Do you ever ask your general physician how many drinks he had the night before? How about whether he is on pain medication? Too much Benadryl? My guess is, none of that raises any red flags for you or is even a concern that pops into mind unless someone were brainless enough to pull out a bottle of scotch while looking at your x-rays with you in the room or was visibly and aromatically drunk at that moment.
Why then do people concern themselves with weed stereotypes and not alcoholic stereotypes that would be even more likely and much more damaging? I mean, honestly, chances are, some professional you have gone to see for some service got drunk the night before you showed up and you never knew. Why not draw your line in the sand with equal harshness over something like that?
Not enough propaganda available?
[quote]Professor X wrote:
HERO wrote:
I was unaware that the debate was on why our country is wasting money to keep weed illegal. I personally dont agree with the ?war on drugs? because I ? as you ? think its a waste of money. On the same token I dont condone the use of drugs for the reasons I have previously stated. The ?self medicating? people do with drugs, to me, seems like a selfish act and an abandonment of responsibility to the rest of mankind. However that leads to the question of why we are here and what is our purpose. So depending on a persons view on ?the meaning of life? their decisions as to what to do with their time would obviously change. Im more inclined to believe that we are here to help others and to grow as not only people but a society, case and point, having a discussion on an internet forum. This is why I try to avoid too much self indulgence, however I do agree that everyone needs some least we go crazy.
This is just my point of view, and if you disagree with me then so be it, no harm done.
What happens in your world if someone accomplishes more good than you and helps more people but also smokes weed? Is that the moment trumpets sounds and angels call us all home? Does the world explode?
I am simply wondering because it would seem to me that in a world filled with people, someone somewhere is doing a shit load of good for others while smoking a joint. I have never been that closed minded and it doesn’t even take the experience of smoking to realize that your perspective is limited.
Do you ever ask your general physician how many drinks he had the night before? How about whether he is on pain medication? Too much Benadryl? My guess is, none of that raises any red flags for you or is even a concern that pops into mind unless someone were brainless enough to pull out a bottle of scotch while looking at your x-rays with you in the room or was visibly and aromatically drunk at that moment.
Why then do people concern themselves with weed stereotypes and not alcoholic stereotypes that would be even more likely and much more damaging? I mean, honestly, chances are, some professional you have gone to see for some service got drunk the night before you showed up and you never knew. Why not draw your line in the sand with equal harshness over something like that?
Not enough propaganda available?[/quote]
Well, to begin with, I dont drink so you are arguing to the wrong person. I have of course had a drink a few times in my life, but because of my deep concern for my personal health I have never taken up the hobby of drinking. In fact I can count on one hand the number of times I have had alcohol in my 21 years of life. I do not have any deep seated hate towards people who drink and or do drugs; I just disagree with their lifestyle.
As to your comment of someone accomplishing more then me and smoking weed. If I came across such person then in all honesty I would be happy. Proven wrong I would have learned something new. My stance on the subject is based on the people whom I personally have met in my lifetime, short as it may be. After all isnt that how we all formulate our views and opinions, on life experience. I do not claim omnipotence and I know I have much to learn. I would like to think I have everything figured out but I know that is simply not true, no trumpets or angels needed.
I respect you and many of your views Prof. so for that I am sorry that you have seemingly come to odds against me in this discussion. But I think if you take a step back you would realize that we are more or less in the same boat on this subject, just with different ways of making out points.
Call me naive, but I am young and have much more living to do.
[quote]HERO wrote:
Oh I’m sorry, I mistook the death of brain cells for lung cancer, thats a much better way to go.
Oh and by the way, have you ever spoken with someone who has been smoking pot for a long period of time (aka, a few years) They arnt exactly the most intelligent people in the world. Much less a productive member of society. [/quote]
Arnold smoked weed in “Pumping Iron” and he hasn’ done anything substantial nor is he a productive member of society. If he has the balls to smoke on camera I’m sure it wasn’t his first time.
[quote]HERO wrote:
Well, to begin with, I dont drink so you are arguing to the wrong person.[/quote]
the last time I drank alcohol was 2004 on New Years. It is simply not something I get into. That means whether you personally smoke, drink or whatever is irrelevant to what we are discussing.
[quote]
I do not have any deep seated hate towards people who drink and or do drugs; I just disagree with their lifestyle. [/quote]
Great. That would be your personal opinion which no one can take from you. The debate begins when you start throwing around generalizations and false info that is the basis for much of the misinformation currently available to the public. Killing brain cells? With cannabinoid receptors already present in your brain, liver, lungs and kidneys? I think it is time to educate yourself.
Now you know…and knowing is half the battle.
“GI JOE!!!”
At odds? It is called a debate. He with least truthful info loses. That is just the way the game is played. Peace.
[quote]oldcrabbybastard wrote:
HERO wrote:
Oh I’m sorry, I mistook the death of brain cells for lung cancer, thats a much better way to go.
Oh and by the way, have you ever spoken with someone who has been smoking pot for a long period of time (aka, a few years) They arnt exactly the most intelligent people in the world. Much less a productive member of society.
Arnold smoked weed in “Pumping Iron” and he hasn’ done anything substantial nor is he a productive member of society. If he has the balls to smoke on camera I’m sure it wasn’t his first time.
[/quote]
I really doubt he was the only professional to do it too.