[quote]malonetd wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Shadowzz4 wrote:
6 Days a week you train X? Are you running through two 3 day splits?
No. I’ve trained about 6 days a week for about 10 years now.
Come on!
“about 10 years now”
Is it under 10 years or over 10 years? I wanna know if you’re dedicated or not.[/quote]
10.8 years, 36 hours 45 min and 33 seconds.
What this thread lacks is context. You need to compare apples to apples. Avg gym rat vs avg gym rat? PL vs PL? BB vs BB? Then what movements are you measuring them against? Bench, Squat, DL, Curl, Pull ups, 40 yard dash time?
The whole thread is a train wreck of mispreception and presumption with allot of condescending prickishness thrown in for good measure.
[quote]MODOK wrote:
The only genetic component to getting bigger and stronger is the gene that inhibits the whiney, “I have bad genetics” part of the cerebral cortex. Everybody wants to be big and strong, but no one wants to lift thousands of tons of weights for years to do it. The strongest part of the biggest and strongest in our sport is their iron will.[/quote]
Quoted for truth!
[quote]Colin Wilson wrote:
What this thread lacks is context. You need to compare apples to apples. Avg gym rat vs avg gym rat? PL vs PL? BB vs BB? Then what movements are you measuring them against? Bench, Squat, DL, Curl, Pull ups, 40 yard dash time?
The whole thread is a train wreck of mispreception and presumption with allot of condescending prickishness thrown in for good measure.[/quote]
Best post.
[quote]Shadowzz4 wrote:
Here is a perfect example. You have two fat ladies in a wheelchair, both weigh 308 and are the same age and height.
Lady A has a goal of being thin, gets her shit together, starts eating healthy, improves diet and exercising and gets her weight under control.
Lady B has the same goal of being thin, but really cant stop being fat or lazy, so she works her hardest to find a doctor who will operate on her before she loses any weight.
She finally finds one and gets a gastric bypass and loses a tremendous amount of weight eating extremely small meal portions, in fact she ends up being a bit thinner than Lady A, though Lady A continues to exercise and eat very well.
Do you think differently of the way Lady A lost her weight compared to Lady B?[/quote]
why would they diet anymore, when they are at their powerlifting weightclass already?
[quote]zephead4747 wrote:
why would they diet anymore, when they are at their powerlifting weightclass already?
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I laughed out loud at this, but womens SHW is 198+, so it kind of ruined it for me 
[quote]Bergman wrote:
zephead4747 wrote:
why would they diet anymore, when they are at their powerlifting weightclass already?
I laughed out loud at this, but womens SHW is 198+, so it kind of ruined it for me :([/quote]
yeah, but most people wouldn’t of known that.
[quote]Bergman wrote:
Ugh, stop fucking talking about genetics and go lift. Damn.
I don’t buy the genetics argument at all; In either direction. Unless you have Down’s Syndrome or some absolutely crippling disease, what are you even blaming on your genetic exactly? [/quote]
Even then… I met a guy once that was physically and mentally handicapped from a car accident, and had been told he would never walk again. I met him at a powerlifting meet, where he deadlifted a personal record and went 3 for 3 on his bench attempts, with more intensity than half his flight.
I currently know someone that has complex regional pain syndrome, also known as reflex sympathetic dystrophy. He is the only person I’ve heard of to pull a bicep on a tricep exercise, and he can develop a muscle imbalance from shaving. He currently pulls over 4 plates at about 190lbs bodyweight.
A crippling disease is BARELY an excuse.
[quote]threewhitelights wrote:
Bergman wrote:
Ugh, stop fucking talking about genetics and go lift. Damn.
I don’t buy the genetics argument at all; In either direction. Unless you have Down’s Syndrome or some absolutely crippling disease, what are you even blaming on your genetic exactly?
Even then… I met a guy once that was physically and mentally handicapped from a car accident, and had been told he would never walk again. I met him at a powerlifting meet, where he deadlifted a personal record and went 3 for 3 on his bench attempts, with more intensity than half his flight.
I currently know someone that has complex regional pain syndrome, also known as reflex sympathetic dystrophy. He is the only person I’ve heard of to pull a bicep on a tricep exercise, and he can develop a muscle imbalance from shaving. He currently pulls over 4 plates at about 190lbs bodyweight.
A crippling disease is BARELY an excuse.[/quote]
An inspiration to us all. I can only wish such fortitude was more common around these parts.
[quote]threewhitelights wrote:
Bergman wrote:
Ugh, stop fucking talking about genetics and go lift. Damn.
I don’t buy the genetics argument at all; In either direction. Unless you have Down’s Syndrome or some absolutely crippling disease, what are you even blaming on your genetic exactly?
Even then… I met a guy once that was physically and mentally handicapped from a car accident, and had been told he would never walk again. I met him at a powerlifting meet, where he deadlifted a personal record and went 3 for 3 on his bench attempts, with more intensity than half his flight.
I currently know someone that has complex regional pain syndrome, also known as reflex sympathetic dystrophy. He is the only person I’ve heard of to pull a bicep on a tricep exercise, and he can develop a muscle imbalance from shaving. He currently pulls over 4 plates at about 190lbs bodyweight.
A crippling disease is BARELY an excuse.[/quote]
A crippling disease is BARELY an excuse? If you’re talking about a REAL disease that is a health issue, then shame on you. Tell that to everyone with muscular dystrophy. Such ignorance and just a lack of compassion.
[quote]Synthetickiller wrote:
threewhitelights wrote:
Bergman wrote:
Ugh, stop fucking talking about genetics and go lift. Damn.
I don’t buy the genetics argument at all; In either direction. Unless you have Down’s Syndrome or some absolutely crippling disease, what are you even blaming on your genetic exactly?
Even then… I met a guy once that was physically and mentally handicapped from a car accident, and had been told he would never walk again. I met him at a powerlifting meet, where he deadlifted a personal record and went 3 for 3 on his bench attempts, with more intensity than half his flight.
I currently know someone that has complex regional pain syndrome, also known as reflex sympathetic dystrophy. He is the only person I’ve heard of to pull a bicep on a tricep exercise, and he can develop a muscle imbalance from shaving. He currently pulls over 4 plates at about 190lbs bodyweight.
A crippling disease is BARELY an excuse.
A crippling disease is BARELY an excuse? If you’re talking about a REAL disease that is a health issue, then shame on you. Tell that to everyone with muscular dystrophy. Such ignorance and just a lack of compassion.[/quote]
It is stunning.
[quote]Synthetickiller wrote:
A crippling disease is BARELY an excuse? If you’re talking about a REAL disease that is a health issue, then shame on you. Tell that to everyone with muscular dystrophy. Such ignorance and just a lack of compassion.[/quote]
I noted two crippling cases. Obviously not everything falls into this category, so why be a dickhead just to show an exception?
Obviously if someone has stage 3 lung cancer their priorities will be different, but from what I have seen, the most dedicated people are the ones that have overcome the most, while those making excuses are the ones that don’t know how good they have it.
Nobody said that genetics determined everything and that you couldn’t be a beast without em anyway… It’s just something that some lifters have on their sides and some don’t.
Everything’s not all white and black people…
[quote]threewhitelights wrote:
Synthetickiller wrote:
A crippling disease is BARELY an excuse? If you’re talking about a REAL disease that is a health issue, then shame on you. Tell that to everyone with muscular dystrophy. Such ignorance and just a lack of compassion.
I noted two crippling cases. Obviously not everything falls into this category, so why be a dickhead just to show an exception? Obviously if someone has stage 3 lung cancer their priorities will be different, but from what I have seen, the most dedicated people are the ones that have overcome the most, while those making excuses are the ones that don’t know how good they have it.[/quote]
You sound ignorant and a lot of diseases cannot be “overcome.” Its a narrow minded attitude.
If you want me to start listing actual diseases, I’ll be a “dickhead,” but I’d rather see something constructive than claiming that the majority of diseases are “excuses.”
And to qualify, you said I picked out an exception, which implies that the majority are in fact, excuses, in your opinion.
[quote]Kataklysm wrote:
Nobody said that genetics determined everything and that you couldn’t be a beast without em anyway… It’s just something that some lifters have on their sides and some don’t.
Everything’s not all white and black people… [/quote]
Not everything, maybe. I’m still not convinced of that.
But this, the question as to why weak people come to T-Mag who:
Don’t Lift Weights
Don’t STRIVE to Excel
Would Denigrate the Work or Goals of Those that Do
has only a simple, clear-cut answer . . .
they suck, and we don’t.
[quote]Synthetickiller wrote:
You sound ignorant and a lot of diseases cannot be “overcome.” Its a narrow minded attitude.
If you want me to start listing actual diseases, I’ll be a “dickhead,” but I’d rather see something constructive than claiming that the majority of diseases are “excuses.”
And to qualify, you said I picked out an exception, which implies that the majority are in fact, excuses, in your opinion.
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I never said every disease is an excuse. Chances are, if you have a disease that is crippling enough that it can’t be overcome, then chances are you won’t be that interested in weight lifting in the first place, and probably won’t be on this website, so they won’t be using it as an “excuse”.
I’ve never, ever, met anyone with a serious disease that blaimed a lack of progress in strength goals on it.
I doubt there are a lot of T-Nation posters that are using muscular dystrophy as an “excuse”.
Also, quit the “this implies your opinion” bullshit. My opinion is that there are few actual reasons, FOR SOMEONE THAT DOES WEIGHTLIFT WITH STRENGTH AS A GOAL, for that someone to not achieve those goals. Is that clear enough?
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Aragorn wrote:
… Bauer was a STICK, which a Michael Phelps style metabolism when he started lifting.
…
I think Bauer said he was 195 pounds at 16 years old. I was probably 135 pounds.
What Bauer has done and how he has done it since he was 16 that is impressive. I suspect if I would have eaten like that (And I thought I ate a lot) I would be much better off today.[/quote]
Holy cow. I leave the GAL forum for a little while and this thing explodes.
Yeah, but if I recall correctly he also mentioned how before he was 16 he was embarrassed to even go to a gym because he was so small and skinny, which is when he started eating and training, which is what I alluded to. But yeah, you’re right.
[quote]Vash wrote:
Kataklysm wrote:
Nobody said that genetics determined everything and that you couldn’t be a beast without em anyway… It’s just something that some lifters have on their sides and some don’t.
Everything’s not all white and black people…
Not everything, maybe. I’m still not convinced of that.
But this, the question as to why weak people come to T-Mag who:
Don’t Lift Weights
Don’t STRIVE to Excel
Would Denigrate the Work or Goals of Those that Do
[/quote]
Vash-- hah. agree.
Kataklysm-- I agree with you. But I just don’t think it really deserves mention. I mean, yeah everyone needs to rant or complain every now and then, and we all like to rant about the goons who grow from looking at weights and all. And some of that can be funny and entertaining and I’ve got no problems with any of that. But when it comes down to it, really serious complaining solves nothing and only makes you feel sorry for yourself. It can only inhibit, never enable. It is not worthy of focus.
Always thinking about AAS or genetics or time or whatever ALWAYS puts you in a negative mindset that only interferes with progress. That’s why I hate it. And that’s why I don’t think it deserves mention or focus, especially on a site dedicated in its mission statement to being exceptional, elite, different and yes “hardcore”.
[quote]Vash wrote:
Kataklysm wrote:
Nobody said that genetics determined everything and that you couldn’t be a beast without em anyway… It’s just something that some lifters have on their sides and some don’t.
Everything’s not all white and black people…
Not everything, maybe. I’m still not convinced of that.
But this, the question as to why weak people come to T-Mag who:
Don’t Lift Weights
Don’t STRIVE to Excel
Would Denigrate the Work or Goals of Those that Do
has only a simple, clear-cut answer . . .
they suck, and we don’t.[/quote]
This I agree with wholeheartedly.
[quote]Vash wrote:
Kataklysm wrote:
Nobody said that genetics determined everything and that you couldn’t be a beast without em anyway… It’s just something that some lifters have on their sides and some don’t.
Everything’s not all white and black people…
Not everything, maybe. I’m still not convinced of that.
But this, the question as to why weak people come to T-Mag who:
Don’t Lift Weights
Don’t STRIVE to Excel
Would Denigrate the Work or Goals of Those that Do
has only a simple, clear-cut answer . . .
they suck, and we don’t.[/quote]
I agree man, couldn’t say it better myself.