[quote]ZEB wrote:
jackzepplin wrote:
I mean how many times have I had posts not make it to this site because it may not have been favorable to the “mission” of T-Nation? Answer: Countless. I can almost promise you that this very post will be “edited” my a mod.
The above statement was not favorable to T-Nation yet it was posted.
I think you owe the mods and T-Nation an apology.[/quote]
No apologies here Zebster. I didn’t say that they edit ALL unfavorable posts.
Chris -
He didn’t directly mention me.
However, after I commented on the thread, he started insinuiating that since my former employer was in his “mentorship” program, that I was obviously indirectly following his teachings as well (which couldn’t be farther from the truth). Even though myself and only a handful of others picked up on it, I wasn’t going to let it slide anymore.
Stay strong
MR
[quote]Chris Aus wrote:
where did Davies mention Mike Robertson?[/quote]
[quote]TDog305 wrote:
jackzepplin wrote:
lizard king wrote:
But perhaps there’s another simpler reason the mods have edited some of your posts, I mean isn’t that what most people do with garbage, throw it away?
The rest of the story is, most of my edited responses are when I don’t have a favorable opinion of a supplement that Biotest is selling. I’ve had a lot of stuff yanked completely (or never made it to a post), when I’ve tried to offer an objective opinion about some of Biotest’s hottest selling sups. In other cases, my posts get edited when I try to offer advice to a person and send them to a site that may have some further beneficial information. The mod usually has the courtesy of sending me a PM to explain that the linked to site may be a supplement sales competitor, so they have to edit. However, you can see that they have reason to keep themselves in somewhat of a favorable light, especially when it comes to supplements.
Please understand that I don’t fault them for that. I just want the readers to understand that there are truths that will never make it to any of our forum posts. Take that for what it is, and keep the cynicism to dull roar.
No shit. It is a business. Do you think that the free articles and the contributors are supported by every post you make?
Would you like a third party walking into your place of business and promoting someone else’s product? Probably not. If you expect this site to be anything more than a way to drum up more business (a damn good and informative one by the way), you sir are very naive and must have a tough time in the real world.
If you have a recommendation for a product that isn’t Biotest, PM it to the person, it isn’t rocket science[/quote]
I “no shit” your “No shit.” Or, how about a “duh”! I may be naive about a lot of things in life, but this concept is rather obvious to me. It’s funny that you would try to point out the simplicity of it and call someone you don’t know, “naive.” Your post has done nothing but trumpet your blind loyalty. I think most “seasoned” people here understand the what, why, and how of this site and the ties to the Biotest business. I’ve been a member long enough that there isn’t even a “member since” date in my profile.
[quote]Tags wrote:
jackzepplin wrote:
John Davies is brilliant, and we’re only getting a VERY one-sided, carefully crafted story. One that sounds a bit like Dr. Evil defending #2. There IS more to this than what Eric or anyone else that is affiliated with T-Nation is willing to let get out; however, it’s not my place to drag this out. John has taken the high road, and even if he did give you the truth of the matter, it would most likely not get published on this site.
Maybe it’s just a personal preferance, and of course everyone is allowed their own opinion, but I can’t stand when people do this. I do not see this as “taking the high road” when you bring an issue to light, then allow no further explanation. Maybe it would get edited, maybe not? You said yourself it is not your place and you werent going to try to explain that “other side”.
Well why did you bring it up than? It’s like when you were young and a buddy tells you “I have a secret”. And then you ask him what it is, but he can’t tell you because he swore not too. What was the point of bringing it up? I am not pretending to know much if any of the facts of this whole “deal” outside of what has been published on this site, and possibly one other, but if you have something factual to add, try and add it.
Don’t just say “guy’s there is a great explanation out there…But we’re all too honorable to give it”. It just seems like the true, honorable thing to do would have been tell his/your side of the story once, and let it be, rather than just tip-toe around it, and have us trust that their is a whole 'nother side to this story than what we have heard.
In confusion,
Pat
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I’ve only heard bits and pieces, so I have no right to speak openly about something that I don’t have more quality information on. I’m only stressing that most of us responding to this thread don’t know the whole truth of the relationship between Biotest and the Coaches who no longer contribute here any longer. We usually only get one lop-sided story.
I reserve the right to share my opinions in the fashion that I choose, and you reserve the right to disregard anything that I post.
In health,
Jack
[quote]jackzepplin wrote:
Your post has done nothing but trumpet your blind loyalty.
[/quote]
Blind loyalty? I use products from the following companies in no particular order: Biotest, EAS, Nature’s Best, NOW, Ergopharma, Universal, and Optimum
Not to mention I have tried products from just about every half way reputable company out there.
The reason I stick around here, and have no problem advising people to use Biotest is plain and simple, THEY WORK. While other companie’s products may have a place in my training and nutrition, I have been continually impressed by the quality and customer service provided by Biotest, and will continue to use them, unless they give me a reason otherwise
[quote]
I think most “seasoned” people here understand the what, why, and how of this site and the ties to the Biotest business. I’ve been a member long enough that there isn’t even a “member since” date in my profile.[/quote]
I would like to shake your hand.
[quote]biggieben wrote:
…I don’t think they are doing things to censor comments other then this but it is possible. I am sure the board has gotten more censorship since it’s inception but that is the nature of all things, once something is seen to have value people want to control it. Just my Ramblings Between classes. Ben
[/quote]
my experience w/ mod “censorship” is minor but has always been reasonable. on one occasion i was able to plead my case and my post went through.
otherwise they seem to simply limit competition as was stated above. yeah it can be annoying, but the flipside of allowing it, and they already do to an extent-probably more than i would if it were my site, is to allow shills for competitors to insinuate their products and redirect traffic. basically free competitor advertising.
Man, I’d love to hear the REAL dirt. Come on guys, stop pulling the punches!
[quote]TDog305 wrote:
Blind loyalty? I use products from the following companies in no particular order: Biotest, EAS, Nature’s Best, NOW, Ergopharma, Universal, and Optimum
Not to mention I have tried products from just about every half way reputable company out there.
The reason I stick around here, and have no problem advising people to use Biotest is plain and simple, THEY WORK. While other companie’s products may have a place in my training and nutrition, I have been continually impressed by the quality and customer service provided by Biotest, and will continue to use them, unless they give me a reason otherwise
[/quote]
I do not dispute this in any way shape or form. I’ve spent thousands on supplements over the last 10 years, and I have to say that I almost ALWAYS refer people to this site for their supplement purchases.
However, there are supplement competitor sites that have “information” on subjects that are discussed here. It just so happens that some of those sites sometimes sell supplements.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
I don’t know if it is the nature of this industry or if it is just the flowing testosterone but there sure seems to be a lot of bridges burned on this website.[/quote]
Especially when looking at the crap going on concurrently in the steroid forum it leads me to believe that this industry is run by junior-high girls.
[quote]jackzepplin wrote:
I think most “seasoned” people here understand the what, why, and how of this site and the ties to the Biotest business. I’ve been a member long enough that there isn’t even a “member since” date in my profile.[/quote]
Same here. I’ve seen people come and go…and even come back again. 
[quote]etaco wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
I don’t know if it is the nature of this industry or if it is just the flowing testosterone but there sure seems to be a lot of bridges burned on this website.
Especially when looking at the crap going on concurrently in the steroid forum it leads me to believe that this industry is run by junior-high girls.[/quote]
I think the average age of members on this site are probably 14 to 25, so what can we expect?
[quote]jackzepplin wrote:
TDog305 wrote:
Blind loyalty? I use products from the following companies in no particular order: Biotest, EAS, Nature’s Best, NOW, Ergopharma, Universal, and Optimum
Not to mention I have tried products from just about every half way reputable company out there.
The reason I stick around here, and have no problem advising people to use Biotest is plain and simple, THEY WORK. While other companie’s products may have a place in my training and nutrition, I have been continually impressed by the quality and customer service provided by Biotest, and will continue to use them, unless they give me a reason otherwise
I do not dispute this in any way shape or form. I’ve spent thousands on supplements over the last 10 years, and I have to say that I almost ALWAYS refer people to this site for their supplement purchases.
However, there are supplement competitor sites that have “information” on subjects that are discussed here. It just so happens that some of those sites sometimes sell supplements.[/quote]
Jack,
I understand what you are saying but:
It is the nature of the beast. I have been lifting for 12+ years, I have gone thru Weider to EAS to Biotest. I buy Biotest because their products very simply, work. They give us FREE info that I would pay $30-40 a month for.
I am very sorry that every single one of your posts did not go thru unedited. Try going somewhere elese and pitch Biotest and see what happens.
Renegade Certified Personal Trainer
(from renegadetraining.com)
Director of Renegade Training
Damn right!
[quote]doogie wrote:
Renegade Certified Personal Trainer
(from renegadetraining.com)[/quote]
Incredible pic, but what’s your point?
[quote]doogie wrote:
Director of Renegade Training[/quote]
Again, what’s your point? Looks like Grant’s sexy pose.
[quote]jackzepplin wrote:
doogie wrote:
Renegade Certified Personal Trainer
(from renegadetraining.com)
Incredible pic, but what’s your point?[/quote]
No point. I just thought they were very funny pictures.
[quote]Nate Dogg wrote:
jackzepplin wrote:
I think most “seasoned” people here understand the what, why, and how of this site and the ties to the Biotest business. I’ve been a member long enough that there isn’t even a “member since” date in my profile.
Same here. I’ve seen people come and go…and even come back again.
[/quote]
Yeah, even ones that vowed to never set foot on this soil again!
[quote]jackzepplin wrote:
Tags wrote:
jackzepplin wrote:
John Davies is brilliant, and we’re only getting a VERY one-sided, carefully crafted story. One that sounds a bit like Dr. Evil defending #2. There IS more to this than what Eric or anyone else that is affiliated with T-Nation is willing to let get out; however, it’s not my place to drag this out. John has taken the high road, and even if he did give you the truth of the matter, it would most likely not get published on this site.
Maybe it’s just a personal preferance, and of course everyone is allowed their own opinion, but I can’t stand when people do this. I do not see this as “taking the high road” when you bring an issue to light, then allow no further explanation. Maybe it would get edited, maybe not? You said yourself it is not your place and you werent going to try to explain that “other side”.
Well why did you bring it up than? It’s like when you were young and a buddy tells you “I have a secret”. And then you ask him what it is, but he can’t tell you because he swore not too. What was the point of bringing it up? I am not pretending to know much if any of the facts of this whole “deal” outside of what has been published on this site, and possibly one other, but if you have something factual to add, try and add it.
Don’t just say “guy’s there is a great explanation out there…But we’re all too honorable to give it”. It just seems like the true, honorable thing to do would have been tell his/your side of the story once, and let it be, rather than just tip-toe around it, and have us trust that their is a whole 'nother side to this story than what we have heard.
In confusion,
Pat
I’ve only heard bits and pieces, so I have no right to speak openly about something that I don’t have more quality information on. I’m only stressing that most of us responding to this thread don’t know the whole truth of the relationship between Biotest and the Coaches who no longer contribute here any longer. We usually only get one lop-sided story.
I reserve the right to share my opinions in the fashion that I choose, and you reserve the right to disregard anything that I post.
In health,
Jack[/quote]
What you are saying and what you are implying, to me at least, are two different things. What you are saying is that there are two sides to this story, and we should be critical of that. I understand and respect that point. However, I get the feeling that most of us are resonable people and can figure that out seeing as how Davies hasn’t said much…
What you have been implying, however, is that the whole truth in fact lies with Davies, and that is that. Yet you cannot back it up because you know “bit’s and pieces”. And of what little you may know you are unwilling to share. It’s just a little shady and irritating as to why you would even bring it up without being willing to back it up.
Anyways that was my point, and as you said you reserve the right to completley disregard it.
Take Care,
Pat