THE “JORDAN LUNGE” “GLUTE ACTIVATION” “ALWYN & LYLE” AND BULLSHIT
WHAT THE ???
About a year ago I had joined a new gym and I am working out next to a trainer> Jordan. He is showing a 50 year old woman how to do a lunge. She asks him the name of the exercise he says It�??s called the “Jordan Lunge” Seems I remember seeing it done somewhere before.
A few years ago I read a good article on “Glute Activation” do some bridges before you Squat activates the glute muscles you can go deeper in the squat. SEARCH the NET RIGHT NOW! Over 100 prominent authors have written about it. Did they all steal it??? Do we have to search back to find the original person who came up with the idea? Maybe they owe Mike Meltzer or Arthur Jones Royalty > Isn’t kinda a PRE=Exhaust routine?
Please Lyle confront Alwyn > What is with the “Public PANTS-ING” of the guy> Wether he was right or wrong. Maybe you feel better? But I don�??t get it�?��?�
Alwyn I have read and followed your material > Please keep putting it out I do not give a shit if it was your original idea, something you built on or someone else’s idea. I guess you just have to be careful and put the spoon on the right side of the plate and the fork on the left.
Finally, what is my point. No real point here just some of my thoughts and opinions.
[quote]davan wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
davan wrote:
How does that make any sense?
Plagiarism happens all the time, everywhere. Do you think all of those people, in major magazines and newspapers, at elite universities, at high schools, etc. intended on “citing” their sources? Everyone who plagiarizes is simply doing it “by accident”?
And, did he never read through his work before sending it off? After it was published? Anything?
You are clearly sent by Lyle. No one is this dense.
If you think Lyle “sent me” to do anything, then you ought to read my posts about him or discussions with him on his site. That doesn’t mean I don’t respect him, but there are many things I don’t necessarily like. That’s irrelevant as the point is about Cosgrove stealing material.[/quote]
I really can’t believe that forums send people to other forums to complain about plagarism. And if you came over on your own, that’s even worse; its goddamn pathetic.
I don’t care who plagarized who, you’re sad as shit for wasting minutes of your life defending some fuckin guy that isn’t paying you.
The girls at the high school i used to work at used to have a saying… “after you copy and paste, make sure you use find and replace”
On a serious note, Alwyn and Lyle used to (at least from what I have seen) recommended and speak highly of each others work quite a bit, seems like it must have taken something pretty major for all this to happen.
My guess is only Alwyn and Lyle may ever really know (other than the obvious things that we can all see and comment on.)
I guess you can only explain fat loss one way and that way is that you have to give Lyle every piece of credit.
Fuck all you ripping Alwyn.
He has editors like every good writer. Do you think his editor’s go through every piece of written material to make sure that he isn’t plagarising?
FUCK NO. They get paid to publish books. They don’t care if he stole it or not. Will it sell? Absolutely! And thats all they care about.
Look, you can only explain things so many ways before they get redundant. Did he copy it? It looks like it. Did he own up to the fact the he did so and some jack ass, back woods editor didn’t give the credit, hell ya.
I know Alwyn and he gives credit where credit is due. If he says he made a mistake, he did.
And to all you fucking pussy computer geeks who talk a bunch of shit and can’t back it up…come to Cali and train with Alwyn or myself. You wouldn’t last 9 minutes. Fucking ass holes.
I’ve put myself out there for the world to see. Have you? Quite sitting at home while your 50 years old, still a virgin and talking shit about a world known strength coach.
Its not that surprising to see an author reusing material from previous works. So i can understand how this happened. I mean look at any of the authors ebooks, products from the authors on this site and you see that they reuse explanations and chapters all the time. It saves them from retyping everything afresh. However it is unfortunate that the reference was removed. Alot of trouble could of been avoided. The lesson learned will be “cover your arse” when summarizing other people material.
As for having editors. I dunno, its an ebook from a coach. Not a book on a shelf. They take this route to avoid overhead, so i think they would avoid using an professional editor too?
[quote]And to all you fucking pussy computer geeks who talk a bunch of shit and can’t back it up…come to Cali and train with Alwyn or myself. You wouldn’t last 9 minutes. Fucking ass holes.
I’ve put myself out there for the world to see. Have you? Quite sitting at home while your 50 years old, still a virgin and talking shit about a world known strength coach.[/quote]
I didn’t see any criticism of his coaching skills in this thread, so leave you tough guy posturing at home. Nor is it about you. Your little online experience doesn’t make you hard, or the right to bring it into a discussion about plagiarism. Which happens to be a rampant issue on the net.
I am sorry to see the drama around the issue. I am sure the issue can be worked out between them.
Okay seriously… what the fuck. I have the following opinion on the matter:
Yes it appears to be copied. Yes Alwyn manned up and apologized. Does that make it right? Maybe, maybe not.
While I’m on the topic of right, is it right to publicly slam someone the way Lyle did? Someone who is a peer in the industry? FUCK NO!
Apparently Lyle never heard the phrase “Two wrongs don’t make a right” when growing up. The fact that he did this without first addressing it directly with Alwyn is absurd. If Alwyn had blown him off, told him to screw off, then sure. Post away. If not, be a man and address it like an adult.
Do I sound angry? Because I am. I also know Alwyn and HE is a standup man.
Bartl… fuck 9 minutes…they wouldn’t last 125 seconds.
[quote]Beatnik wrote:
Its not that surprising to see an author reusing material from previous works. So i can understand how this happened. I mean look at any of the authors ebooks, products from the authors on this site and you see that they reuse explanations and chapters all the time. It saves them from retyping everything afresh. However it is unfortunate that the reference was removed. Alot of trouble could of been avoided. The lesson learned will be “cover your arse” when summarizing other people material.
As for having editors. I dunno, its an ebook from a coach. Not a book on a shelf. They take this route to avoid overhead, so i think they would avoid using an professional editor too?
And to all you fucking pussy computer geeks who talk a bunch of shit and can’t back it up…come to Cali and train with Alwyn or myself. You wouldn’t last 9 minutes. Fucking ass holes.
I’ve put myself out there for the world to see. Have you? Quite sitting at home while your 50 years old, still a virgin and talking shit about a world known strength coach.
I didn’t see any criticism of his coaching skills in this thread, so leave you tough guy posturing at home. Nor is it about you. Your little online experience doesn’t make you hard, or the right to bring it into a discussion about plagiarism. Which happens to be a rampant issue on the net.
I am sorry to see the drama around the issue. I am sure the issue can be worked out between them.[/quote]
If you had half a brain you would know that 70% of the people on the internet can’t back up half the shit they talk, you included. I’m not leaving shit at home. It’s not about me. It’s about someone who I have come to respect in a professional manner.
So enjoy your Dungeon and Dragons beatnik. Until I see you post anything worth a shit you are nothing but another gomer to me.
I love dungeons and dragons! But calling me a gomer is going to make me cry! sniff Sniff
Anyway, the wonderfull thing is that i dont have to back anything up because i am not asserting anything that requires me too.
Your introducing statements into this thread that have nothing to do with it. Your bring up your clinic, when it has nothing to do with this threads topic. Bringing up how great of a trainer Alwyn is, even though it has nothing to do with this topic. Your Bringing up that no one in this thread has “put themselves out there” Which is all irrelevant.
You dont have to insert your personal stuff into this thread, you dont have to posture like we are questioning your masculinity. grow up. But i understand, your going to jump into a discussion and throw around an attitude, and point to your successes and posture to the gomers on the net because someone questioned if your friends work was plagerism. That fact is no one cares about those things. get over yourself, get over your emotional need to protect your man crush, and behave like an adult. Not a smitten child.
ps: I would hold off on putting up that “leave Alwyn alone” youtube vid…
Lyle has and will always remain a bridge burner. He could have e-mailed Cosgrove. I have no doubt Cosgrove would have felt bad and then sent an e-mail out promoting Lyle’s name and previous work. But, well, Lyle is Lyle.
In a sense, that’s what makes the guy interesting. He has always made noise, though, even when it was not profitable to do so. (You should have seen some of his old weights.net stuff.)
[quote]Mufasa wrote: Alwyn and Lyle seem to be straight-up, no-nonsense guys who don’t need a bunch of people dripping fake disgust and outrage for them.
I have no doubt that they’ll both man-the-fuck up; discuss this issue between themselves; and then decide on the next course of action.[/quote]
LOL. Do you even know Lyle? Did you ever read weights.net?
The guy is brilliant and knows his shit, but this is far from his first temper tantrum. He has no problem burning bridges, even when it harms his bottom line. There are sites that will never publish his stuff because of things he’s said about the company. He just doesn’t care and he often takes things personally - business interests be damned.
To me, that adds to his credibility on many matters. But I think the guy just likes blowing stuff up.
I realize that being “peace maker” and “we all need to calm down, boys” seems to be your schtick, but if you don’t know about the characters you’re talking about, maybe you shouldn’t be advising people on how to react.
Wow, that’s some business ethics you have there. Plagiarisms is OK if it will sell books? That’s your morality?
And you’re the one getting indignant? Um, OK?
Oh, and Lyle didn’t pay me anything, and I haven’t corresponded with the guy is probably 7 or 8 years. So spare me the “post poster” line.
I personally think he has the factual position. His stuff was plagiarized. But I think he made a horrible business decision by posting about this. He would have sold more books by playing nice.
Which seems to be the lesson here. If someone makes a good faith mistake, should you call them out on it publicly - or handle it privately? You’ll almost always have more success handling good-faith mistakes discretely.
Now bad faith errors, of course, are a different story. But it seems like the mistakes here were unintentional. So Lyle’s response wasn’t the smartest one.
bartl, actually, it IS the editors job to go through his work and make sure he has given proper citations, it’s the publishers job to well, publish the book.
And as far as calling everyone who doesn’t agree with you dungeons and dragons geeks, weren’t you the one who needed the support of internet strangers and a dedicated online coaching staff to lose weight? … That doesn’t sound like a geek at all. But I guess your bad ass now and no one here would last 9 minutes with you.
[quote]TC wrote:
I hate to stick my calloused toe in this again, but has anybody noticed that the stuff Alwyn borrowed (and there appears to be some ambiguity over whether or not he got permission to use it in a second work) is really pretty basic stuff that any second-year biology student might know?
If Alwyn made a mistake, it was using the work in question as source material rather than a textbook. (And yes, if he used a textbook, he should have listed it as a source.)
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Like TC wrote; their work “is basic stuff that any second-year biology student might know” If you didn’t feed into the same old regurgitated information and buy it, then why sweat it? (if you did buy into the same information then deal) We all know how to lose fat!!
Make a decision and dedicate your actions to do what YOU KNOW works for fat loss. There is no miracle plan out there. We are all in the same boat of information.
[quote]Bartl wrote:
And to all you fucking pussy computer geeks who talk a bunch of shit and can’t back it up…come to Cali and train with Alwyn or myself. You wouldn’t last 9 minutes. Fucking ass holes.
I’ve put myself out there for the world to see. Have you? Quite sitting at home while your 50 years old, still a virgin and talking shit about a world known strength coach.
Jack asses…[/quote]
You are so Hard Core. You must be in a Navy SEAL Team and I am not 50 years old, I am 44 and have teh sexes with myself all of the time.
Lyle has and will always remain a bridge burner. He could have e-mailed Cosgrove. I have no doubt Cosgrove would have felt bad and then sent an e-mail out promoting Lyle’s name and previous work. But, well, Lyle is Lyle.
In a sense, that’s what makes the guy interesting. He has always made noise, though, even when it was not profitable to do so. (You should have seen some of his old weights.net stuff.)[/quote]
you know what the funny thing is? People are quick to bash Lyle, and then quote/steal his protocols.
I find it funny that someone apologizing for plagiarizing makes it ok. So if i go and shoot someone, and say i’m sorry, i suffer no repercussions for it? What about shoplifting? If i say i’m sorry for stealing a car, does that mean i can still drive it?
People will say Lyle’s and his people have an ax to grind, but in reality, HE WAS THE ONE WRONGED. His information was used and not cited (on purpose or not, depending on what you believe), and that is plagiarism, and he deserves to get some sort of compensation from it.
[quote]Bartl wrote:
I guess you can only explain fat loss one way and that way is that you have to give Lyle every piece of credit.
Fuck all you ripping Alwyn.
He has editors like every good writer. Do you think his editor’s go through every piece of written material to make sure that he isn’t plagarising?
FUCK NO. They get paid to publish books. They don’t care if he stole it or not. Will it sell? Absolutely! And thats all they care about.
Look, you can only explain things so many ways before they get redundant. Did he copy it? It looks like it. Did he own up to the fact the he did so and some jack ass, back woods editor didn’t give the credit, hell ya.
I know Alwyn and he gives credit where credit is due. If he says he made a mistake, he did.
And to all you fucking pussy computer geeks who talk a bunch of shit and can’t back it up…come to Cali and train with Alwyn or myself. You wouldn’t last 9 minutes. Fucking ass holes.
I’ve put myself out there for the world to see. Have you? Quite sitting at home while your 50 years old, still a virgin and talking shit about a world known strength coach.
Jack asses…[/quote]
give me a break!
Alwyn will receive a lot more respect from a lot of people if compensation in the form of $ is given to Lyle. Sure he said he’s sorry, but words are words. money talks.
And since 70% of people on the internet can’t back up what they type, well…
