What do you guys make of this?
kingsports.net/industryintegritytest.htm
There’s some pretty serious allegations and what looks like some very obvious copy & pasting going on. It’s not the first time these types of allegations have been made. What do you think? Is it just a matter of there being only so much info and ways to say it -or- is there some outright plagarism and copyright infringement going on?
Discuss.
[quote]Jillybop wrote:
it just a matter of there being only so much info and ways to say it[/quote]
Please tell me you chuckled to yourself when writing this.
that’s some serious tl;dr
Ok, so Ian King is saying that Cosgrove plagiarized him extensively? At least, that’s what it looks like to me…
And watching those videos, it looks like a remarkably bold case of plagiarism at that…wow.
shocking
i liked cosgrove
There was also that shit between him and Lyle over UD2.0.
If it was just a couple of things, I’d write it off as there only being so many ways to talk about a concept, especially concepts containing buzz-words or popular phrases ("afterburn, for example) that get tossed around a lot…however, there’s a heck of a lot there that’s awfully similar. Bad paraphrasing is always very apparent because it pretty much consists of rearranging sentence structure and busting out shift+f7 to change a few words.
Some of it is obviously copied verbatim, but some of the “evidence” is a bit far fetched. “Balance between pushing and pulling” will turn out pretty much the same no matter who writes about it, for example. Too bad. I also liked Cosgrove.
I like the way he says “Hmmmmm!”
I’ve often remarked that a whole ass load of content that people come up with or publish as their own look a hell of a lot like King.
The guy isn’t ahead of the curve, he paved the road.
I always liked Ian King, never thought much of Cosgrove either way, but if all that shakes out to be true, then that’s really sad.
Especially since Cosgrove is so vocal about others lifting HIS ideas…
Cosgrove said in a seminar with a disclaimer: “I’ve never had an original idea in my life… even that joke I stole from someone else” something along those lines.
In the fitness world you’re not going to come up with many ideas of your own. It’s all rehashed stuff from somewhere.
It would be nice to give credit when words are copied word for word.
I happen to teach my clients a lot of nutritional info based upon Berardi’s work. Sometimes I’ll mention him, other times I may not if it doesn’t flow well with the conversation. Does that make it wrong?
Also, the amount of time it took to write & compare this all is mind boggling.
Looking over more of it, I can see where copying word for word is not right, but learning from others and putting it in your own words is now wrong?
[quote]Jillybop wrote:
Is it just a matter of there being only so much info and ways to say it -or- is there some outright plagarism and copyright infringement going on?
Discuss.
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Possibly just this…hard to tell sometimes. I haven’t read the article yet, will tonight when I get back and have time.
Personally, I was informally “accused” of plagiarism once in college, when I had no previous knowledge of this other source. Just happened to be the same topic, similar writing style/choice of words. It happens. I had to rewrite it, sadly. Whatever.
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
Also, the amount of time it took to write & compare this all is mind boggling.
Looking over more of it, I can see where copying word for word is not right, but learning from others and putting it in your own words is now wrong?[/quote]
I think it’s one of those things where you just look at it and see for yourself. If somebody is taking somebody else’s idea and adding something new to it, that’s great. It’s progress. Professional courtesy would seem to dictate that you should also give credit for where your ideas were inspired from.
On the other hand, if you don’t mention your inspiration and you don’t add any new ideas, then that’s where you are getting into fishy territory.
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
Also, the amount of time it took to write & compare this all is mind boggling.
Looking over more of it, I can see where copying word for word is not right, but learning from others and putting it in your own words is now wrong?[/quote]
No. It has been wrong for a very long time. There is actually a formal system of citation (MLA and APA) in place to give credit where credit is due when writing.
What he has done wouldn’t pass muster of even the most liberal of 101 level English professors.
Believe me, I had a 26 year old lesbian wiccan for English at a community college who would have gone apeshit with red ink if Cosgrove turned this stuff in to her.
[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
Also, the amount of time it took to write & compare this all is mind boggling.
Looking over more of it, I can see where copying word for word is not right, but learning from others and putting it in your own words is now wrong?[/quote]
No. It has been wrong for a very long time. There is actually a formal system of citation (MLA and APA) in place to give credit where credit is due when writing.
What he has done wouldn’t pass muster of even the most liberal of 101 level English professors.
Believe me, I had a 26 year old lesbian wiccan for English at a community college who would have gone apeshit with red ink if Cosgrove turned this stuff in to her.
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Yeah…learning from others is one thing, but then you need to give attribution when you paraphrase what you learned. And you need to paraphrase well enough so that what you write does not consist of re-worded sentences from the source material.
/English graduate student
/Not 26, a lesbian, or wiccan
I think whoever made this wasted a lot of time. This kind of shit that he is talking nobody that works out seriously cares about at all.
I want to see more EMG research. If someone plagiarized that it would be different.
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
I happen to teach my clients a lot of nutritional info based upon Berardi’s work. Sometimes I’ll mention him, other times I may not if it doesn’t flow well with the conversation. Does that make it wrong?[/quote]
I think there’s BIG difference between talking with someone informally (as opposed to giving a formal presentation/lecture) and actually publishing something with your name on it. Anyone know the legal ramifications if this was in fact outright plagiarism? I’m guessing it must be really hard to prove in court?
[quote]celtics2022 wrote:
I think whoever made this wasted a lot of time. This kind of shit that he is talking nobody that works out seriously cares about at all.
I want to see more EMG research. If someone plagiarized that it would be different.[/quote]
The time Ian King seems to have put into researching this does seem crazy, but if it was your life’s work I guess it’s understandable. I find the rest of your post odd since these are two pretty big names in the biz.
[quote]celtics2022 wrote:
I think whoever made this wasted a lot of time. This kind of shit that he is talking nobody that works out seriously cares about at all.[/quote]
. . . Whoever? Ian “Fucking” King is ‘whoever?’
Not be be offensive, but are you actually retarded, or just actually retarded?
As do I, I find it helpful in studying the why behind the training effects myself and my clients . . . waitaminute . . .
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If someone plagiarized that it would be different.[/quote]
TELL ME ABOUT THE RABBITS, GEORGE!