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[quote]in10 wrote:
davan wrote:
How does that “set the record straight”, TC?

For a different project, years prior, he was allowed to mention something with citation.

Fast forward to today, years later and a different project entirely, Alwyn rips something with no citation. That is called plagiarism. You’re smarter than that.

That about sums it up.

It’s like if 5 years ago someone gave me permission to borrow $20.00 from them as long as I paid it back the next day. And then, based on that agreement 5 years ago, I can feel free to take $20 from them today without asking AND never pay it back.[/quote]

You just joined and felt compelled to jump in on this topic, huh? Weird.

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[quote]in10 wrote:
davan wrote:
How does that “set the record straight”, TC?

For a different project, years prior, he was allowed to mention something with citation.

Fast forward to today, years later and a different project entirely, Alwyn rips something with no citation. That is called plagiarism. You’re smarter than that.

That about sums it up.

It’s like if 5 years ago someone gave me permission to borrow $20.00 from them as long as I paid it back the next day. And then, based on that agreement 5 years ago, I can feel free to take $20 from them today without asking AND never pay it back.[/quote]

Poor analogy. Why try to crucify AC? He owned up to his mistake. It is foolish to think this was a grand scheme of his.

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His Fitness Bible also seemed like a plagiarized Get Buffed! (Ian King). Unfortuntately, I spent 100 bucks on it. Anyone want it for 50?

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Hey, I think Alwyn is an ok guy. I never met him, but that just how I feel about him. It’s out of character of him to deliberately try to take advantage of someone. But it looked like he did. He explained how it happened. That’s good enough for me.

I like Lyle and admire him also. It’s to bad he choose to expose Alwyn. It would have been a better idea to contact him personally and we wouldn’t have to witness this mess.

Also, we wouldn’t have to witness the glee some people seem to find in this.

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[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
davan wrote:
How does that “set the record straight”, TC?

For a different project, years prior, he was allowed to mention something with citation.

Fast forward to today, years later and a different project entirely, Alwyn rips something with no citation. That is called plagiarism. You’re smarter than that.

Did you read it? It was a mistake and he owned up to it.

He used the same material for his earlier project and inadvertently dropped the citation for his book. He has apologized and will rectify the situation.

That sets the record straight.[/quote]

Forgetting someone’s birthday is a mistake. Deceiving people and copying other people’s written work, not by mistake, but with full knowledge you are doing so, is not a mistake. There were passages where there was no paraphrasing. Perhaps you forgot, but citing something does not make it okay to copy verbatim without quotes. “Influenced”?

Influenced would show influence, not the exact same words, something much different. Either way, he didn’t cite anything nor ask Lyle about it. He went through the trouble of so thoroughly copying something, but “forgot” to even ask Lyle or cite it? Give me a break.

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[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
in10 wrote:
davan wrote:
How does that “set the record straight”, TC?

For a different project, years prior, he was allowed to mention something with citation.

Fast forward to today, years later and a different project entirely, Alwyn rips something with no citation. That is called plagiarism. You’re smarter than that.

That about sums it up.

It’s like if 5 years ago someone gave me permission to borrow $20.00 from them as long as I paid it back the next day. And then, based on that agreement 5 years ago, I can feel free to take $20 from them today without asking AND never pay it back.

Poor analogy. Why try to crucify AC? He owned up to his mistake. It is foolish to think this was a grand scheme of his.[/quote]

Lies. Mistake my ass. If it’s a mistake, will he give Lyle some of the money he’s made off of Lyle’s material?

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[quote]Nate Green wrote:
davan wrote:
IronAbrams you may want to forget the rhetoric and see what crap Alwyn is trying to use to cover up what he obviously did.

So what kind of affiliation do you have with Lyle?

-Nate[/quote]

My affiliation to Lyle extends only to me being a member of his board and I disagree with him on a number of issues and am far from considering him a “friend” in any way. Nonetheless, that doesn’t mean it’s okay for Cosgrove to literally steal Lyle’s words to make money off of it.

It wasn’t just something he “forgot” to cite. He not only didn’t cite or ask about it, but he copied many parts word for word and used them to make money. THAT is wrong. Regardless of whether or not I like Lyle or agree with him on any subject(s), Cosgrove did the wrong thing and the apologists here are clueless or in denial.

How much plagiarizing have you done, Nate?

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[quote]davan wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
davan wrote:
How does that “set the record straight”, TC?

For a different project, years prior, he was allowed to mention something with citation.

Fast forward to today, years later and a different project entirely, Alwyn rips something with no citation. That is called plagiarism. You’re smarter than that.

Did you read it? It was a mistake and he owned up to it.

He used the same material for his earlier project and inadvertently dropped the citation for his book. He has apologized and will rectify the situation.

That sets the record straight.

Forgetting someone’s birthday is a mistake. Deceiving people and copying other people’s written work, not by mistake, but with full knowledge you are doing so, is not a mistake. There were passages where there was no paraphrasing.

Perhaps you forgot, but citing something does not make it okay to copy verbatim without quotes. “Influenced”? Influenced would show influence, not the exact same words, something much different.

Either way, he didn’t cite anything nor ask Lyle about it. He went through the trouble of so thoroughly copying something, but “forgot” to even ask Lyle or cite it? Give me a break.
[/quote]

Are you really as dense as you appear to be in your posts on this thread?

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Please tell me what I am dense about, HK?

Please explain what facts I am not “understanding” because as I read it, Cosgrove literally copied various parts of Lyle’s material (barely changing others) and gave no credit in any fashion and is making money off of Lyle’s work.

To top it off, instead of owning up to it, he is claiming that it is okay because he asked Lyle if he could use some information, years earlier, as long as he cited it. This time, he didn’t ask and he didn’t cite… Seems pretty clear what went on.

Even if it is “influenced”, care to tell how the exact same sentences just happened to appear multiple times?

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Don’t you think that the obvious similarities lend more evidence to Cosgrove?

I mean, if you intend to credit someone, why make an effort to change their statements?

If it was theft, wouldn’t you expect to see at least an attempt to disguise it?

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How does that make any sense?

Plagiarism happens all the time, everywhere. Do you think all of those people, in major magazines and newspapers, at elite universities, at high schools, etc. intended on “citing” their sources? Everyone who plagiarizes is simply doing it “by accident”?

And, did he never read through his work before sending it off? After it was published? Anything?

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I’m with Davan on this. He is spot on correct.

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[quote]davan wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
davan wrote:
How does that “set the record straight”, TC?

For a different project, years prior, he was allowed to mention something with citation.

Fast forward to today, years later and a different project entirely, Alwyn rips something with no citation. That is called plagiarism. You’re smarter than that.

Did you read it? It was a mistake and he owned up to it.

He used the same material for his earlier project and inadvertently dropped the citation for his book. He has apologized and will rectify the situation.

That sets the record straight.

Forgetting someone’s birthday is a mistake. Deceiving people and copying other people’s written work, not by mistake, but with full knowledge you are doing so, is not a mistake. There were passages where there was no paraphrasing. Perhaps you forgot, but citing something does not make it okay to copy verbatim without quotes. “Influenced”?

Influenced would show influence, not the exact same words, something much different. Either way, he didn’t cite anything nor ask Lyle about it. He went through the trouble of so thoroughly copying something, but “forgot” to even ask Lyle or cite it? Give me a break.
[/quote]

What deception? He took it from an earlier writing where he referenced Lyle. He admitted his mistake.

Are you Lyle? Do you work for him? you clearly have an axe to grind here.

I don’t believe you are dumb enough not to understand that he DID credit Lyle in the original format.

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[quote]davan wrote:
How does that make any sense?

Plagiarism happens all the time, everywhere. Do you think all of those people, in major magazines and newspapers, at elite universities, at high schools, etc. intended on “citing” their sources? Everyone who plagiarizes is simply doing it “by accident”?

And, did he never read through his work before sending it off? After it was published? Anything?[/quote]

You are clearly sent by Lyle. No one is this dense.

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[quote]Wolf wrote:
I’m with Davan on this. He is spot on correct. [/quote]

You joined just for this?

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[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Wolf wrote:
I’m with Davan on this. He is spot on correct.

You joined just for this?[/quote]

I’ve been around for a while. I don’t like to post much.

Davan’s right…you can’t possibly forget to cite your sources. Where I’m from, in my University if you forget to cite sources = immediate F in the assignment. Do it more than once = F in the course. At the graduate level you’ll be kicked out of the program.

I am a huge fan of Alwyn Cosgrove. I just don’t agree that he is blameless.

Also, here is another conspiracy theory: what if Lyle and Alwyn are in on this together to boost sales? Could this be a sort of publicity stunt???

:smiley:

I’m joking, everyone (only referring to the conspiracy theory)

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[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
davan wrote:
How does that make any sense?

Plagiarism happens all the time, everywhere. Do you think all of those people, in major magazines and newspapers, at elite universities, at high schools, etc. intended on “citing” their sources? Everyone who plagiarizes is simply doing it “by accident”?

And, did he never read through his work before sending it off? After it was published? Anything?

You are clearly sent by Lyle. No one is this dense.[/quote]

If you think Lyle “sent me” to do anything, then you ought to read my posts about him or discussions with him on his site. That doesn’t mean I don’t respect him, but there are many things I don’t necessarily like. That’s irrelevant as the point is about Cosgrove stealing material.

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[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
davan wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
davan wrote:
How does that “set the record straight”, TC?

For a different project, years prior, he was allowed to mention something with citation.

Fast forward to today, years later and a different project entirely, Alwyn rips something with no citation. That is called plagiarism. You’re smarter than that.

Did you read it? It was a mistake and he owned up to it.

He used the same material for his earlier project and inadvertently dropped the citation for his book. He has apologized and will rectify the situation.

That sets the record straight.

Forgetting someone’s birthday is a mistake. Deceiving people and copying other people’s written work, not by mistake, but with full knowledge you are doing so, is not a mistake. There were passages where there was no paraphrasing. Perhaps you forgot, but citing something does not make it okay to copy verbatim without quotes. “Influenced”?

Influenced would show influence, not the exact same words, something much different. Either way, he didn’t cite anything nor ask Lyle about it. He went through the trouble of so thoroughly copying something, but “forgot” to even ask Lyle or cite it? Give me a break.

What deception? He took it from an earlier writing where he referenced Lyle. He admitted his mistake.

Are you Lyle? Do you work for him? you clearly have an axe to grind here.

I don’t believe you are dumb enough not to understand that he DID credit Lyle in the original format.[/quote]

So if I post TRUTH, I have an ax to grind?

What earlier writing contained ALL OF THOSE PASSAGES?

Could you point me to it? I don’t mean one where he also was “influenced” by one of Lyle’s works, but one where he took so many sentences verbatim. He never did that and this is clearly something much different.

Your inability to understand such a simple concept and so blindly accept and defend somebody like this is ridiculous. Ask yourself, if Alwyn felt the need to copy Lyle’s material and make money off of it, is he going to reimburse or give royalties to Lyle?

I don’t think so.

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Alwyn and Lyle seem to be straight-up, no-nonsense guys who don’t need a bunch of people dripping fake disgust and outrage for them.

I have no doubt that they’ll both man-the-fuck up; discuss this issue between themselves; and then decide on the next course of action.

Mufasa

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I hate to stick my calloused toe in this again, but has anybody noticed that the stuff Alwyn borrowed (and there appears to be some ambiguity over whether or not he got permission to use it in a second work) is really pretty basic stuff that any second-year biology student might know?

If Alwyn made a mistake, it was using the work in question as source material rather than a textbook. (And yes, if he used a textbook, he should have listed it as a source.)