I’ve always held Alwyn in high regard; hopefully he can address these allegations quickly.
Wow. He didn’t even try to “hide” it. His work is almost word for word what Lyle had wrote 5 years ago. Dick move.
I hold Alwyn Cosgrove in very high regard as well. Why would he do something like this???
Wow.
Nothing to say but Lyle obviously wrote this stuff long before Mr. Cosgrove…and thats a high school level job of plagiarism.
Glad I didn’t spend the money on WSFL.
Some of that text was really interesting though, makes me wanna pick up Lyle’s book lol.
LMcD is one of my favorite authors.
[quote]GetSwole wrote:
Some of that text was really interesting though, makes me wanna pick up Lyle’s book lol.
LMcD is one of my favorite authors.[/quote]
Who would’ve thought that Cosgrove’s plagerism may actually give McDonald more business. lol.
haha…thats funny
[quote]elusive wrote:
Wow. He didn’t even try to “hide” it. His work is almost word for word what Lyle had wrote 5 years ago. Dick move.[/quote]
TOTAL dick move!!
And holy shit, the near verbatim passages are ONLY OBVIOUS. I held Cosgrove in MIGH higher regard than THIS. He better have something insightful to say…
Guys,
Never practice contempt prior to investigation.
Here are the emails between Alwyn and Lyle concerning this allegation:
Lyle,
I want to address your public accusation of plagiarism and set the record straight.
You may not recall but the chapter in question originally began life as a client handout - and then appeared in my what was tentatively titled Afterburn II and subsequently became two products - Afterburn II (workouts) and the “Real World Fat Loss” Manual.
This was after prior agreement with you via email (see attached emails below).
The chapter is found in the Real World Fat Loss (RWFL) Manual on pages 16-20. The chapter actually ends at the bottom of page 19. On page 20 of the manual the following text appears:
Quote:
(This chapter has been highly influenced by the work of Lyle McDonald and is essentially a very brief summary of his Fat Metabolism chapter in "The Ultimate Diet 2.0. I’d like to thank Lyle for his help both personally and professionally and his contributions to this field. I strongly urge you to check out Lyle’s website â?? www.bodyrecomposition.net).
When we reprinted this chapter from the RWFL manual into the Warp Speed Fat Loss product, the above paragraph was inadvertently omitted.
This oversight was rectified immediately when this was brought to my attention.
I want to reiterate that this was always listed as a summary of your chapter - never passed off as my work.
The fact that the acknowledging paragraph was not included in WSFL was a huge oversight on my part, and I would have corrected it and rectified it with anyone who had purchased it immediately had you or anyone else simply brought this to my attention. I am deeply sorry about that omission.
It was not my intention to not give proper credit, but it was my responsibility and I failed in that, and I want to make it publicly known that I fault no one but myself for that error.
I would be happy to speak with you about this further if you want to give me a call.
–
Alwyn Cosgrove
Above referenced email exchange:
From Alwyn Cosgrove
To Lyle McDonald
Date Mon, Aug 14, 2006 at 8:45 PM
I’m also working on Afterburn II.
I am going to put in a chapter on fat metabolism.
To be honest it will be a short summary - nothing in depth.
However your chapter in UD2.0 has influenced me the most, to the point where I’d feel uncomfortable not saying that directly in the text.
basically the chapter will be primarily a summary of your chapter plus a few others (your chapter is 2200 words, the summary is about 600- 750).
In other words I want to credit you directly in that chapter.
So how do you prefer it was referenced - direct to you and your site, or direct to the book?
AC
Reply:
From Lyle McDonald
To Alwyn Cosgrove
Date Mon, Aug 14, 2006 at 8:53 PM
Yes (all three)
Lyle
My Reply:
From Alwyn Cosgrove
To Lyle McDonald
Date Mon, Aug 14, 2006 at 8:58 PM
mailed-by gmail.com
On 8/14/06, Lyle McDonald wrote:
So how do you prefer it was referenced - direct to you and your
site, or direct to the book?
Yes (all three)
Gotcha.
AC
Fair enough, thanks for posting that TC.
TC… You know, this definitely exposes the differences between self-published and company published information.
Rule for claims of authenticity and sources are vague, and not consistent between the two…
However, I still see this as an admission of guilt from Cosgrove…
“The fact that the acknowledging paragraph was not included in WSFL was a huge oversight on my part, and I would have corrected it and rectified it with anyone who had purchased it immediately had you or anyone else simply brought this to my attention. I am deeply sorry about that omission.”
How does that “set the record straight”, TC?
For a different project, years prior, he was allowed to mention something with citation.
Fast forward to today, years later and a different project entirely, Alwyn rips something with no citation. That is called plagiarism. You’re smarter than that.
Good to know TC, I knew it couldn’t be what it seemed.
IronAbrams you may want to forget the rhetoric and see what crap Alwyn is trying to use to cover up what he obviously did.
There, he acknowledged FOR A DIFFERENT PRODUCT AND YEAR EARLIER, he was allowed to cite something. He didn’t cite anything though and it’s a different project entirely.
[quote]TC wrote:
Guys,
Never practice contempt prior to investigation.[/quote]
No kidding. Folks were pretty quick to throw Alwyn under the bus on this one.
I guess the question now is, which is the “dick move”, correcting an editorial mistake as soon as it’s brought to your attention, or posting a blog entry about something you first knew about two years ago.
“And now it’s time to show the world exactly what he did. I’m sure the Cosgrove apologists will find excuses for why Al thought he could rip me off (and not get caught) but hopefully some people will see him for what he is.”
Now that’s a dick move.
[quote]elusive wrote:
Who would’ve thought that Cosgrove’s [/quote]alleged[/quote] [quote]plagerism may actually give McDonald more business.[/quote]
Yeah, gee whiz, who would’ve thought that, hmmm?
[quote]Chris Colucci wrote:
Yeah, gee whiz, who would’ve thought that, hmmm?[/quote]
Interesting point.
[quote]davan wrote:
IronAbrams you may want to forget the rhetoric and see what crap Alwyn is trying to use to cover up what he obviously did.
[/quote]
So what kind of affiliation do you have with Lyle?
-Nate
[quote]davan wrote:
How does that “set the record straight”, TC?
For a different project, years prior, he was allowed to mention something with citation.
Fast forward to today, years later and a different project entirely, Alwyn rips something with no citation. That is called plagiarism. You’re smarter than that.
[/quote]
That about sums it up.
It’s like if 5 years ago someone gave me permission to borrow $20.00 from them as long as I paid it back the next day. And then, based on that agreement 5 years ago, I can feel free to take $20 from them today without asking AND never pay it back.
[quote]davan wrote:
How does that “set the record straight”, TC?
For a different project, years prior, he was allowed to mention something with citation.
Fast forward to today, years later and a different project entirely, Alwyn rips something with no citation. That is called plagiarism. You’re smarter than that.
[/quote]
Did you read it? It was a mistake and he owned up to it.
He used the same material for his earlier project and inadvertently dropped the citation for his book. He has apologized and will rectify the situation.
That sets the record straight.