[quote]ebomb5522 wrote:
I think that you should just shoot for your bodyweight goals and not worry about your waist size. I’m sure unless you are eating crap and simply gaining fat, which I assume you’re not at all, your waist will be fine and it’s more important that you attain goals for weight, strength, etc. Also, as you get bigger, even if your waist is getting bigger, it will appear the same size because your body is getting more muscular if that helps at all lol. [/quote]
Well fast food yes i eat it a bit. Limiting soft drinks, chips etc. But i love a good pizza, burger or whatever. And i drink a lot of whole milk which ultimately should not be an integral part of a bodybuilders diet if leaness is the goals. It isnt. Hence why its there, besides being really cheap for the amount of calories. Thanks for the advice. Your fucking threads in the performance section were sick. Looking good ;)[/quote]
Haha, thanks man. Nothing wrong with pizza and burgers when bulking!
[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
I started off at 190 pounds, at 6’5" with a 34" waist. I’m currently at 275 pounds, same height, with a 40" waist.
I should also mention I still look pretty good with a 40" waist. As in, I’m not fat in the least.[/quote]
Hahaha thats awesome. Im sure people still ask where your abs are though. People that give no merit to a guy bigger than them without abs should quit breathing the air that i breathe. Besides, the bigger everything else is the more fat you can hold whilst still looking impressive. Im sure i wont look too impressive with a shirt off when i reach 95kgs but ill sure as hell be stronger than most of the people i know.[/quote]
Surprisingly enough, I don’t have anyone ask me where my abs are. My girlfriend doesn’t give a shit, most of my friends don’t lift weights, and the ones that do are still a little soft all year around, anyway.
Also, the main reason I don’t look fat with a 40" waist is my height. With every pound I gain being spread over 77", I have a huge margin for error. It’s great because fat gains aren’t so noticeable, but it sucks because muscle gains are equally not so noticeable.
I stopped being concerned about how much my waist grows relative to my body. Main reason is because my body stores most of my fat there. You can see that in my 230lbs pics in my profile. I have decent definition in my arms, back and shoulder but at 230 lbs and 6ft tall I think my waist was 39-40 inches. I’m at 41" now. If I tried to keep it under 35 where my abs start to show, I don’t think I’d make any progress strength or size wise. It sucks, but that’s just the way my body stores fat. Nothing I can do about it.
But to answer your question, ever since I broke 200 lbs I gain about 1 inch on my waist for every 10 lbs of weight gained.
[quote]pro-a-ggression wrote:
Just a question/thought. I understand it is a relative thing but how many inches should you expect to gain to your waist, for gaining a several pounds/kgs in BW. For example, Im 190lbs,6’1", and have gained 3.5kgs(7.7lbs) in 6 weeks. My waist has gone up an inch. Good, not so good. I think its reasonable and am willing to continue to my goal of 95kgs by the end of june. If i continue it means ill prob be about 37in waist by the time i make it
Can anyone remember there own experiences with their weight gain and the number of inches they gained??[/quote]
There is no hard and fast rule because we all hold fat differently and your weight loss also depends on hormonal factors that effect how much muscle is retained while dropping weight.
I have noticed about 8lbs for each inch on my waist in years past…but that was when I was also losing about equal amounts of fat and muscle while rushing down in weight for PT tests in the military.
[quote]chimera182 wrote:
I went from 155 with a 34’ waist to 225 or so with a 38 inch waist. Now cutting at 201 with a 35’ ( I have pics in my profile).[/quote]
Nice work man. Some of the pics arent showing but nice work anyways. Im up from 73kgs last March and WHEN i get to 95kgs that’ll be 22kgs(48lbs) in a year and 4 months. Hopefully i wont be fat.[/quote]
Thanks, you’re making some solid progress yourself, with a beard which is always good.
I’m not so sure about the numbers when gaining weight, but I have a pretty good idea how they work for me in the opposite direction. I’m currently in a fat loss phase, and I’ve found that when I am losing weight, I lose 1.5 inches of waist size for every 10 lbs lost or so.
[quote]doubleh wrote:
I’m not so sure about the numbers when gaining weight, but I have a pretty good idea how they work for me in the opposite direction. I’m currently in a fat loss phase, and I’ve found that when I am losing weight, I lose 1.5 inches of waist size for every 10 lbs lost or so.[/quote]
I’m seriously hoping that the waistline will disappear at a higher rate than it increased but that remains to be seen.
So far as fat goes while having the same muscularity, historically an inch extra on the waist has been 6 lb of bodyweight for me, though I suspect that in the last year or so this has dropped to 4 or 5 lb due to having more tendency to put it on the waist now.
So far as waistline vs bodyweight while at similar percentage bodyfat, I think it’s correct that my waist was 29" at 158 after two or at most three years of training as a natural – my body composition was measured by a UF professor at that time and I don’t have later figures, though I did add another 15 lb or so as a natural after that – and relatively recently 34" at 204 lb at I think the same percent bodyfat.
So that would be 5" on the waist for an added 46 lb of bodyweight at same bodyfat, or roughly 1 inch per 9 lb of bodyweight at same bf percentage.
There is probably going to be a lot of variation in this. My waist needed thickening up to match the hip structure. Someone with a relatively small hip structure relative to his muscular bodyweight perhaps might gain much less waist size per amount of muscular bodyweight gained.
[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
So far as fat goes while having the same muscularity, historically an inch extra on the waist has been 6 lb of bodyweight for me, though I suspect that in the last year or so this has dropped to 4 or 5 lb due to having more tendency to put it on the waist now.
So far as waistline vs bodyweight while at similar percentage bodyfat, I think it’s correct that my waist was 29" at 158 after two or at most three years of training as a natural – my body composition was measured by a UF professor at that time and I don’t have later figures, though I did add another 15 lb or so as a natural after that – and relatively recently 34" at 204 lb at I think the same percent bodyfat.
So that would be 5" on the waist for an added 46 lb of bodyweight at same bodyfat, or roughly 1 inch per 9 lb of bodyweight at same bf percentage.
There is probably going to be a lot of variation in this. My waist needed thickening up to match the hip structure. Someone with a relatively small hip structure relative to his muscular bodyweight perhaps might gain much less waist size per amount of muscular bodyweight gained.
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Also, just sheer body weight can increase waist size if you are starting at 150lbs but end up over 250lbs. Thinking your waist will remain at less than 32" would be a mistake.
I have a thick waist no matter what so I doubt I will be seeing 32" any time soon even if my abs are showing.
I am also sure that many of the waist sizes people throw around are complete bullshit…even when coming from pro bodybuilders.
For instance, I seriously doubt someone like Jay Cutler has seen a waist under 36" in a very long time and his abs are definitely showing. I read Gunter Schlierkamp had a 40" waist most of the year and was rarely under 38" on stage.
Over the past 12 weeks I’ve gained 16lbs bodyweight, and my waist has gone up by 3 inches…so for roughly every 5 or 6 lbs bodyweight increase, my waist has increased by an inch.
Gains have been roughly 2:1 Muscle to Fat (11 lbs muscle/5 lbs fat)…that is, according to callipers lol. This has been my leanest bulk so far, partly due to more training volume and partly due to not eating as much as last bulk.
Note: I store much of my fat around the stomach (gives you that bloated/pregnant look! haha). Oh, and I’m the same height as you (well, 6 ft)…
My feeling are that almost everyone who over thinking things like waits to weight ratio, or no mater what precaution they take will do error in the first bulk. Eating to much or not enough.
But there is one thing for sure, people who eat to much may get a little too fat too quickly, but people who do not eat enough have little to no result and this is really worst. What is even worst, by eating not enough, you don’t know how much your body is reacting with maximum nutriment and you got no reference point for future adjustment.
What I’m trying to say is, I would not bother with thing like waist ratio and I would try to achieve maximum growth with maximum food intake at first and adjust after a couple of month if things get out of control.
I did that for a year. I did get too fat for my liking, but I get the best strength/muscle gain in my life. And now, I know what I can achieve with maximum food intake and know how much food is enough for optimal growth in my case.
On another note: Why the fuck wont people put photos up? Are people that ashamed of themselves that they wont show people what they look like. I know I aint no Arnie but fucked if ill hide away in the dark and throw around internet fodder at people who’ve achieved more than me. No. I take the criticism with the comments and continue on my way, learning as I go. Argh. Those excuses where ppl ask a Q and then say “i dont have a camera” or “ill put up a photo later” fucking shits me!! /rant[/quote]
Word man, you have no idea how much the plethora of e-stats annoys me. Kind of a shame that people aren’t required to keep a recent pic or two of themselves on hand…
[quote]ALX wrote:
But there is one thing for sure, people who eat to much may get a little too fat too quickly, but people who do not eat enough have little to no result and this is really worst. What is even worst, by eating not enough, you don’t know how much your body is reacting with maximum nutriment and you got no reference point for future adjustment.
What I’m trying to say is, I would not bother with thing like waist ratio and I would try to achieve maximum growth with maximum food intake at first and adjust after a couple of month if things get out of control.
I did that for a year. I did get too fat for my liking, but I get the best strength/muscle gain in my life. And now, I know what I can achieve with maximum food intake and know how much food is enough for optimal growth in my case.[/quote]
I like this. The only way you are going to truly find out what your limits are is if you cross them from time to time… and sometimes the easiest way to find that sweet spot it to just overshoot and scale back accordingly, rather than spending years spinning your wheels inside your comfort zone.
[quote]ALX wrote:
But there is one thing for sure, people who eat to much may get a little too fat too quickly, but people who do not eat enough have little to no result and this is really worst. What is even worst, by eating not enough, you don’t know how much your body is reacting with maximum nutriment and you got no reference point for future adjustment.
What I’m trying to say is, I would not bother with thing like waist ratio and I would try to achieve maximum growth with maximum food intake at first and adjust after a couple of month if things get out of control.
I did that for a year. I did get too fat for my liking, but I get the best strength/muscle gain in my life. And now, I know what I can achieve with maximum food intake and know how much food is enough for optimal growth in my case.[/quote]
I like this. The only way you are going to truly find out what your limits are is if you cross them from time to time… and sometimes the easiest way to find that sweet spot it to just overshoot and scale back accordingly, rather than spending years spinning your wheels inside your comfort zone.[/quote]
[quote]ALX wrote:
But there is one thing for sure, people who eat to much may get a little too fat too quickly, but people who do not eat enough have little to no result and this is really worst. What is even worst, by eating not enough, you don’t know how much your body is reacting with maximum nutriment and you got no reference point for future adjustment.
What I’m trying to say is, I would not bother with thing like waist ratio and I would try to achieve maximum growth with maximum food intake at first and adjust after a couple of month if things get out of control.
I did that for a year. I did get too fat for my liking, but I get the best strength/muscle gain in my life. And now, I know what I can achieve with maximum food intake and know how much food is enough for optimal growth in my case.[/quote]
I like this. The only way you are going to truly find out what your limits are is if you cross them from time to time… and sometimes the easiest way to find that sweet spot it to just overshoot and scale back accordingly, rather than spending years spinning your wheels inside your comfort zone.[/quote]
Thanks, you really got my point.[/quote]
Oh yeah i know that. I aint over complicating things. I limit my carbs at night and try and aim for to beat the book each workout, whilst adding weight every week in BW. Gain a pound going good, gain half, eat a little more.
I just like having reference points and am interested in how others bigger than me have gone about doing it. Have gained about a pound a week for 8 weeks so far. Another 20 to go till i reach my next goal weight.
On another note: Why the fuck wont people put photos up? Are people that ashamed of themselves that they wont show people what they look like. I know I aint no Arnie but fucked if ill hide away in the dark and throw around internet fodder at people who’ve achieved more than me. No. I take the criticism with the comments and continue on my way, learning as I go. Argh. Those excuses where ppl ask a Q and then say “i dont have a camera” or “ill put up a photo later” fucking shits me!! /rant[/quote]
Word man, you have no idea how much the plethora of e-stats annoys me. Kind of a shame that people aren’t required to keep a recent pic or two of themselves on hand…[/quote]
Yeah, though im not huge, i like pics for reference, either to go “fuck im small” everytime i look at my pics, for motivation. OR for others to be able to give an opinion of how im going and where to improve.
The last thing im going to do is take advice from someone with no proof of any achievements, whilst enabling others to take my advice, as how they see fit, according to my stats and pics.
