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[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
Its not even so much being ignored that was frustrated, but having a resonable question ignored in favor of seeing the same author (who doesnt get paid to argue with people who are just going to make reasonless attacks against him) fight with an obviously unknowledgable trainer who refuses to accept critisism he asked for.
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Welcome to T-Nation.com Most of the questions I ever ask turn into personal attacks against me and how inexperienced i am instead of anyone trying to answer the question. You’ll get used to it.

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[quote]kaeosali wrote:
yup thats me

Not going to have time to argue about this stuff tommorrow . I’m sure you’re going to want to comment on my 500lb deadlift as god awful form. Since I will be unalbe to defend myself let me leave off with this.

EC’s 635 Dl

My 500lb Dl
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NaWwWqthzk [/quote]

OK, I watched them both. EC’s was far more impressive.

And apparently not much of a coach either.

That’s because you don’t think you need to learn anything new. You already think you’re great.

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[quote]dankid wrote:
Lastly, if you have a bachelor’s degree, why not get a CSCS certification. That would be a great way for you to learn what is proper and what is garbage.[/quote]

The guy does have a CSCS certification according to his web site. Is that certification worth a dime?

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[quote]dankid wrote:
CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
Its not even so much being ignored that was frustrated, but having a resonable question ignored in favor of seeing the same author (who doesnt get paid to argue with people who are just going to make reasonless attacks against him) fight with an obviously unknowledgable trainer who refuses to accept critisism he asked for.

Welcome to T-Nation.com Most of the questions I ever ask turn into personal attacks against me and how inexperienced i am instead of anyone trying to answer the question. You’ll get used to it.

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haha believe me, I’m aware, thats why I’ve started to get annoyed when even a respected contributor does it.

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I think the girl in the green could have had much better form if she went little wider, I think her flexibility was the best especially impressive since she looked to be the tallest.

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[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
michael2507 wrote:
OctoberGirl wrote:
CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
CPerfringens wrote:
How do you fix tail-under on squat? I have the same problem, never thought it was an issue, especially with the way “A2G” is promoted here.

Is it an hip mobility issue? Can overhead squatting fix this?

Don’t bother, I already asked twice.

Instead of responding to genuine questions on the topic at hand, CT would rather argue back and forth with some asshole.

Why don’t you just post the question on the Thib Zone thread?

Agreed.

This is not the Author’s Locker Room. This is not a discussion thread for an article by CT. If I’m not mistaken, he posted here not as an author, but as a forum member like the rest of us. As far as I know, he does not get paid for posting on random threads on this site and giving free advice to those who demand it. In his free time, he as as much right to respond to which ever post he wants to. If he decides to argue with this guy, I don’t see a reason to complain.

Apart from that, I couldn’t think of another author on this site who devotes more time and effort to answer question in the article discussion threads as quickly as possible and sometimes even jump in on random threads to offer free advice.

I asked the question here because I was reading this thread and the issue came up here, in this thread.

As to how he “does not get paid to give free advice to those who demand it”, I didnt fucking demand anything. I asked a simple question, and was ignored. Its not even so much being ignored that was frustrated, but having a resonable question ignored in favor of seeing the same author (who doesnt get paid to argue with people who are just going to make reasonless attacks against him) fight with an obviously unknowledgable trainer who refuses to accept critisism he asked for.
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Once again: Do a search for “tail-under squat”.

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This guy is a complete tool, doesn’t take advice very well, unfortunately people will still pay to train with him.

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[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
michael2507 wrote:
OctoberGirl wrote:
CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
CPerfringens wrote:
How do you fix tail-under on squat? I have the same problem, never thought it was an issue, especially with the way “A2G” is promoted here.

Is it an hip mobility issue? Can overhead squatting fix this?

Don’t bother, I already asked twice.

Instead of responding to genuine questions on the topic at hand, CT would rather argue back and forth with some asshole.

Why don’t you just post the question on the Thib Zone thread?

Agreed.

This is not the Author’s Locker Room. This is not a discussion thread for an article by CT. If I’m not mistaken, he posted here not as an author, but as a forum member like the rest of us. As far as I know, he does not get paid for posting on random threads on this site and giving free advice to those who demand it. In his free time, he as as much right to respond to which ever post he wants to. If he decides to argue with this guy, I don’t see a reason to complain.

Apart from that, I couldn’t think of another author on this site who devotes more time and effort to answer question in the article discussion threads as quickly as possible and sometimes even jump in on random threads to offer free advice.

I asked the question here because I was reading this thread and the issue came up here, in this thread.

As to how he “does not get paid to give free advice to those who demand it”, I didnt fucking demand anything. I asked a simple question, and was ignored. Its not even so much being ignored that was frustrated, but having a resonable question ignored in favor of seeing the same author (who doesnt get paid to argue with people who are just going to make reasonless attacks against him) fight with an obviously unknowledgable trainer who refuses to accept critisism he asked for.
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I can sense your frustration but I really do believe it is just that this isn’t his article and he was just commenting on the actual OPs post.

He has addressed the tail-under issue in his articles so you can do a Search. If that doesn’t provide you with the info, then Thibs answers these kinds of questions in his own thread.

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[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
michael2507 wrote:
OctoberGirl wrote:
CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
CPerfringens wrote:
How do you fix tail-under on squat? I have the same problem, never thought it was an issue, especially with the way “A2G” is promoted here.

Is it an hip mobility issue? Can overhead squatting fix this?

Don’t bother, I already asked twice.

Instead of responding to genuine questions on the topic at hand, CT would rather argue back and forth with some asshole.

Why don’t you just post the question on the Thib Zone thread?

Agreed.

This is not the Author’s Locker Room. This is not a discussion thread for an article by CT. If I’m not mistaken, he posted here not as an author, but as a forum member like the rest of us. As far as I know, he does not get paid for posting on random threads on this site and giving free advice to those who demand it. In his free time, he as as much right to respond to which ever post he wants to. If he decides to argue with this guy, I don’t see a reason to complain.

Apart from that, I couldn’t think of another author on this site who devotes more time and effort to answer question in the article discussion threads as quickly as possible and sometimes even jump in on random threads to offer free advice.

I asked the question here because I was reading this thread and the issue came up here, in this thread.

As to how he “does not get paid to give free advice to those who demand it”, I didnt fucking demand anything. I asked a simple question, and was ignored. Its not even so much being ignored that was frustrated, but having a resonable question ignored in favor of seeing the same author (who doesnt get paid to argue with people who are just going to make reasonless attacks against him) fight with an obviously unknowledgable trainer who refuses to accept critisism he asked for.

I can sense your frustration but I really do believe it is just that this isn’t his article and he was just commenting on the actual OPs post.

He has addressed the tail-under issue in his articles so you can do a Search. If that doesn’t provide you with the info, then Thibs answers these kinds of questions in his own thread.

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Fair enough, I guess.

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C’mon people. Use the search function, he’s addressed the “tail-under” problem several times:

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From my experience some peoples will have a hard time doing a proper full squat, even more so in our “computerized” world. Most youngsters I’ve worked with have an horrendous posture due to slouching on the couch, in class or at the computer all day long. I workd with over 400 young athletes from 26 different sports, some of them are Canadian junior champs… yet, at least 75% of them have a hard time (or simply cannot) arch their back while bending forward at the same time (as in a romanian deadlift). So they also have a hard time keeping their lower back tight while squatting. We’ve been able to correct the problem, but it took some time. Most of the time these guys had very tight psoas; when they squat they quickly reach a “tail under” position.

Youngsters also tend to have very tight calves so they have problems keeping their heels on the ground while full squatting.

Then you have the case of the super long limbed individual. Full squatting is harder to master for these guys.

I will say that with proper work; at least 90% of the gym population could learn how to full squat. However to do so it is important that the coach immediately spot the weakest link in the chain.

Most of the time it will either be:

a. tight psoas
b. tight calves
c. weak trunk (abs and lower back)
d. weak hamstrings

Correct these problems and you will be well on your way.

IMHO the best drills to teach somebody to do a proper olympic-style squat are the front squat and overhead squats (only use when the flexibility and/or strength problems are fixed). In these exercises you must absolutely maintain an upright trunk position and this can be transfered to the back squat afterwards.

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A full squat is not the same thing for everybody. A full squat means going down as low as you can while maintaining a proper biomechanical position.

If your lower back starts to round (called a tail-under position) you have exceeded your functional limit.

Stop before your lower back rounds but in the mean time work on hip flexors mobility and flexibility and gradually attempt to squat lower.

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I just dont see how the tight psoas is the cause. Wouldnt a shortened psoas pull the pelvis into an anterior tilt (not a posterior tilt as in the tail-under position)?

Perhaps the tight psoas makes the glutes weak, and the body goes tail-under in order to take stress off the glutes?

Tight calves is a good point, but as far as tightness goes I’m more skeptical of tight hams and glutes as opposed to tight psoas.

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[quote]kaeosali wrote:
And I really love how there are no comments about the photo examples on a platform deadlift and box squat that I posted.

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CT doesn’t normally put the pictures in the articles, that is done by someone at Biotest so good fail on that one.

I couldn’t see the video of your deadlift here at work but from peoples’ comments you were using straps and didn’t lock it out. Sooo hot shit, you are not.

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[quote]chris666 wrote:
dankid wrote:
Lastly, if you have a bachelor’s degree, why not get a CSCS certification. That would be a great way for you to learn what is proper and what is garbage.

The guy does have a CSCS certification according to his web site. Is that certification worth a dime?
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CSCS is not a certification in and of itself. It’s just an anacronym for Certifed Strength and Conditioning Specialist.

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[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
I just dont see how the tight psoas is the cause. Wouldnt a shortened psoas pull the pelvis into an anterior tilt (not a posterior tilt as in the tail-under position)?

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I can totally see this point as that IS what would seem to be happening.

From my experience, two things have kept my clients from squating properly and they’re #1 and #2 in CT’s list. Tight psoas and calves.

Stretching those well prior to squatting has been making a world of difference.

I came upon it by accident , actually. I was having a woman squat with a light, empty bar trying to maintain all the key positions, she kept going tail-under with lots forward lean. That ended the squats until I could figure out what was causing it. In the meantime (while I was analyzing it all in my head), I had her lunge-walk for 3x24. I always demand that lunges are deep and paused in the deepest position in an effort to get a good stretch while doing them.

10 minutes later, I was ready to diagnose her squat issues and lo and behold, her squats were 99% better than before she hit the lunge-walk-stretches.

I’ve since been trying that, with less reps of course, and it’s like a miracle. Years later, it’s still the best remedy I’ve come across.

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[quote]derek wrote:
chris666 wrote:
dankid wrote:
Lastly, if you have a bachelor’s degree, why not get a CSCS certification. That would be a great way for you to learn what is proper and what is garbage.

The guy does have a CSCS certification according to his web site. Is that certification worth a dime?

CSCS is not a certification in and of itself. It’s just an anacronym for Certifed Strength and Conditioning Specialist. [/quote]

So, if you say “CSCS certification”, you do not always mean the NSCA CSCS certification? Just asking, because they seem to have a trademark on “CSCS”.

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The form may not be great but at least they are doing the best exercises and not standing on bosu balls with pink dumbbels.

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[quote]derek wrote:
CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
I just dont see how the tight psoas is the cause. Wouldnt a shortened psoas pull the pelvis into an anterior tilt (not a posterior tilt as in the tail-under position)?

I can totally see this point as that IS what would seem to be happening.

From my experience, two things have kept my clients from squating properly and they’re #1 and #2 in CT’s list. Tight psoas and calves.

Stretching those well prior to squatting has been making a world of difference.

I came upon it by accident , actually. I was having a woman squat with a light, empty bar trying to maintain all the key positions, she kept going tail-under with lots forward lean. That ended the squats until I could figure out what was causing it. In the meantime (while I was analyzing it all in my head), I had her lunge-walk for 3x24. I always demand that lunges are deep and paused in the deepest position in an effort to get a good stretch while doing them.

10 minutes later, I was ready to diagnose her squat issues and lo and behold, her squats were 99% better than before she hit the lunge-walk-stretches.

I’ve since been trying that, with less reps of course, and it’s like a miracle. Years later, it’s still the best remedy I’ve come across.

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Hm. So maybe the forward lean causes the tail under?

I’ll continue trying to stretch my psoas and calves, and trying to only go as low as I can without a tail under. I’m going to try priformis stretching and hamstrings as well, though.

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I like this one…

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Thanks Derek. Another thing I’m trying to keep on myself about is doing all my stretching with a flat lower back.

Yeah, I was one of those guys who could palm the floor… wasnt till a while ago that I realized I had just made my back really flexible and my hamstrings not as much.

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[quote]chris666 wrote:

The guy does have a CSCS certification according to his web site. Is that certification worth a dime?
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I guess this is proof it is not. I was thinking of getting mine, but now i might think twice.

In all serious though, this guy is a far better PERSONAL TRAINER than 90% of them out there. I get a good chuckle walking through the gym and seeing trainers with their clients balancing on one leg doing curls with 5lb weights.

If this guy ever wants to train athletes and be respected and successful, he’s gonna need to learn the proper way on this stuff though.