Vic Richards From 16-18

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[quote]spar4tee wrote:

[quote]dshroy wrote:

[quote]spar4tee wrote:

[quote]dshroy wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
A good friend of mine lives in Brooklyn. He works in the garment district by day, and paints pictures for himself at night. His apartment walls are literally covered with dozens and dozens of his beautiful, colorful canvases. He doesn’t make a living from his paintings. Is he an artist?[/quote]

No one said that to be a bodybuilder you had to make a living from bodybuilding. No one said you had to make it a career to be one. If you paint, you’re a painter, if you get on stage, you’re a bodybuilder.
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…if you fuck a dog then youre a dogfucker[/quote]
and if said dog were press charges and testify in court then you’re a convicted dogfucker[/quote]
total bullshit. to be a convicted dogfucker, you need to be proven guilty by either the judge or a jury of your peers. having charges pressed against you and being testified against is not an automatic verdict of guilt, and therefore not a conviction. i think the term you are seeking is “alleged dogfucker”[/quote]
you seem to know a lot about dogfucking … hmmm
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I swear to God it was consensual

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[quote]flipcollar wrote:
Can’t we just use the terms ‘bodybuilder’ and ‘competitive bodybuilder’ as distinctions between people? then we don’t have to have a bullshit argument over semantics. #amidoingitright[/quote]
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[quote]spar4tee wrote:

[quote]flipcollar wrote:
Can’t we just use the terms ‘bodybuilder’ and ‘competitive bodybuilder’ as distinctions between people? then we don’t have to have a bullshit argument over semantics. #amidoingitright[/quote]
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LOL. I don’t think the goal of most of these arguments is to make sure we call them the right name. It is to act as if by not competing, the effort doesn’t mean as much.

It is a derogatory action. It also makes no sense considering all of the people I’ve seen jump on stage with no muscle.

A bodybuilder spends his time usually for years building a physique worth showing off to people. Competition never defined that action.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]spar4tee wrote:

[quote]flipcollar wrote:
Can’t we just use the terms ‘bodybuilder’ and ‘competitive bodybuilder’ as distinctions between people? then we don’t have to have a bullshit argument over semantics. #amidoingitright[/quote]
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LOL. I don’t think the goal of most of these arguments is to make sure we call them the right name. It is to act as if by not competing, the effort doesn’t mean as much.

It is a derogatory action. It also makes no sense considering all of the people I’ve seen jump on stage with no muscle.

A bodybuilder spends his time usually for years building a physique worth showing off to people. Competition never defined that action.[/quote]
Just let them think what they will. Vic doesn’t care and neither should we.

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Guys, Vic didn’t do Olympic lifting, OR starting strengh, so of course he isn’t a bodybuilder.

The beginners forum told me so

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:
Guys, Vic didn’t do Olympic lifting, OR starting strengh, so of course he isn’t a bodybuilder.

The beginners forum told me so[/quote]

what? link

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Vic Richards competed in bodybuilding so of course he is a bodybuilder.

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[quote]gregron wrote:
I know this has been asked and debated to death before but are you really a bodybuilder if you never compete?

You’re not a powerlifter if you like lifting heavy but never do a meet are you?

You’re not a basketball player if you shoot J’s in your backyard all day but never go out and compete are you?

You’re not a marathon runner if you run 30 miles a day but never run in an actual marathon are you?

You’re not a “bodybuilder” if you like lifting and getting bigger but younever get on stage and compete are you?

Srs question.[/quote]

Competition is just part of these sports.

If you train for aesthetics, you’re a bodybuilder. If you train for a marathon, you’re a marathon runner. If you train to box, you’re a boxer.

The terms we use to denote a participant in a sport don’t have to carry any kind of serious weight. As with bodybuilding, there are a lot of guys in other sports that don’t compete for reasons other than fear (of putting themselves out there). Reasons like crappy rules, bad judging, injury etc.

Granted there are sports out there where competing is more important than others. I just don’t think bodybuilding is one of those sports.

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The pic of him posing next to Yates is awesome. That definitely would have been a tough call. Just by that pic, Vic looks to have him beat on tri’s, quads, and pecs. Dorian’s lats look much thicker, and maybe wins on biceps by just a hair.

Anybody got a link to a video of that posedown?

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[quote]JayPierce wrote:
The pic of him posing next to Yates is awesome. That definitely would have been a tough call. Just by that pic, Vic looks to have him beat on tri’s, quads, and pecs. Dorian’s lats look much thicker, and maybe wins on biceps by just a hair.

Anybody got a link to a video of that posedown?[/quote]

Yates would dominate Vic. I think Vic would have done very well as a pro but would never have won an Olympia due to yates and coleman.

Guy had great lines though

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[quote]TommyGunz32 wrote:

[quote]JayPierce wrote:
The pic of him posing next to Yates is awesome. That definitely would have been a tough call. Just by that pic, Vic looks to have him beat on tri’s, quads, and pecs. Dorian’s lats look much thicker, and maybe wins on biceps by just a hair.

Anybody got a link to a video of that posedown?[/quote]

Yates would dominate Vic. I think Vic would have done very well as a pro but would never have won an Olympia due to yates and coleman.

Guy had great lines though[/quote]

That’s only a guess. Not even an educated one, with all due respect. We don’t know what Vic could have done in mint condition. We also can only guess that had Vic continued to compete, the bar for the entire field would have been pushed higher. BB history could be quite different today.

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[quote]JayPierce wrote:
The pic of him posing next to Yates is awesome. That definitely would have been a tough call. Just by that pic, Vic looks to have him beat on tri’s, quads, and pecs. Dorian’s lats look much thicker, and maybe wins on biceps by just a hair.

Anybody got a link to a video of that posedown?[/quote]

I have actually seen that video some time ago. However, I just searched for it without success.

EDIT:

Here it is. The showdown is near the end.

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[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:

[quote]TommyGunz32 wrote:

[quote]JayPierce wrote:
The pic of him posing next to Yates is awesome. That definitely would have been a tough call. Just by that pic, Vic looks to have him beat on tri’s, quads, and pecs. Dorian’s lats look much thicker, and maybe wins on biceps by just a hair.

Anybody got a link to a video of that posedown?[/quote]

Yates would dominate Vic. I think Vic would have done very well as a pro but would never have won an Olympia due to yates and coleman.

Guy had great lines though[/quote]

That’s only a guess. Not even an educated one, with all due respect. We don’t know what Vic could have done in mint condition. We also can only guess that had Vic continued to compete, the bar for the entire field would have been pushed higher. BB history could be quite different today.
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I feel like Vic’s BF distribution puts a lot in his legs, maybe it is just shadows in that photo, but Yates is leaner overall than Vic there, and would look “bigger” (lol) than Vic if Vic leaned out. So, given this one particular situation in a vacuum, I agree Yates would top Vic IMO.

But, I also very much agree with:

His approach would have been different, he would have certainly had an effect on the competitive dynamic, and we just can’t even guess what the differences would have been.

It is fun to shoot the shit about, and project and assume, but yeah, you just never know.

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[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:

[quote]TommyGunz32 wrote:

[quote]JayPierce wrote:
The pic of him posing next to Yates is awesome. That definitely would have been a tough call. Just by that pic, Vic looks to have him beat on tri’s, quads, and pecs. Dorian’s lats look much thicker, and maybe wins on biceps by just a hair.

Anybody got a link to a video of that posedown?[/quote]

Yates would dominate Vic. I think Vic would have done very well as a pro but would never have won an Olympia due to yates and coleman.

Guy had great lines though[/quote]

That’s only a guess. Not even an educated one, with all due respect. We don’t know what Vic could have done in mint condition. We also can only guess that had Vic continued to compete, the bar for the entire field would have been pushed higher. BB history could be quite different today.
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Vic had narrow shoulders and high lats. He would’ve done well, but with the importance placed on backs with the emergence of Lee Haney/Dorian Yates, he would’ve had to drastically bring it up to stand on stage with them.

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No one could touch coleman in the late 90’s and into the early 2000’s, no physique even close to his. He still would have destroyed Vic.

Above video is from the british grand prix.

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[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:

[quote]TommyGunz32 wrote:

[quote]JayPierce wrote:
The pic of him posing next to Yates is awesome. That definitely would have been a tough call. Just by that pic, Vic looks to have him beat on tri’s, quads, and pecs. Dorian’s lats look much thicker, and maybe wins on biceps by just a hair.

Anybody got a link to a video of that posedown?[/quote]

Yates would dominate Vic. I think Vic would have done very well as a pro but would never have won an Olympia due to yates and coleman.

Guy had great lines though[/quote]

That’s only a guess. Not even an educated one, with all due respect. We don’t know what Vic could have done in mint condition. We also can only guess that had Vic continued to compete, the bar for the entire field would have been pushed higher. BB history could be quite different today.
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It is not even about conditioning. It is about structure, Dorian just had a better one. Dorian would beat Vic on every pose from the back(can’t even be argued) and side (no one matched dorians thickness). Dorian always came in conditioned, Vic could match it but most likely would not out condition him.

Like I said Vic had great lines but would not have been mr olympia

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[quote]waylanderxx wrote:

No one could touch coleman in the late 90’s and into the early 2000’s, no physique even close to his. He still would have destroyed Vic.

Above video is from the british grand prix. [/quote]

Ronnie was simply perfect in that video (even had calves), I wish he would’ve honed this physique instead of continuing to add mass. Same with Dorian’s 93 physique, I think he looked his best there.

As far as Vic, I think he would’ve probably been a top 5 competitor if he had good conditioning, but Dorian from the back completely overpowered the competition. Even though from the front he was very beatable and got downright dwarfed in some poses his conditioning/back/side shots won him the shows (even though I personally think he should’ve lost post 93).

Vic reminds me of a poor man’s Paul Dillet in that he has great legs/arms, but the back is lacking. Dillet being one of the widest and biggest bodybuilders to ever walk the stage and even he couldn’t get it done against the likes of Ronnie/Dorian.

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If Dillet wasn’t such a goofball with his posing I bet he would’ve done better haha, silly guy.

It’s crazy to think Ronnie added 30 lbs of stage weight over the next 5 years after that video lol, insane.

JUST LOOK AT THAT. NOT HUMAN!

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
A good friend of mine lives in Brooklyn. He works in the garment district by day, and paints pictures for himself at night. His apartment walls are literally covered with dozens and dozens of his beautiful, colorful canvases. He doesn’t make a living from his paintings. Is he an artist?[/quote]

… if you get on stage, you’re a bodybuilder.[/quote]

The stage is only ONE aspect of bodybuilding. If you look at Vic Richards and DO NOT think he’s a bodybuilder, then you are clearly blind.

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I am laughing at the idea of seeing him walk down the street at his peak and hearing some skinny dude yell out he’s not a bodybuilder. Most people would see him that way…aside from dudes on the internet who apparently think the little guy in the pic above is more of a bodybuilder than someone like Vic.[/quote]

I don’t mean anything disparaging by it. If vic built his body for the express purpose of achieving a physique doing as good as possible by BBing standards and then competed, he is one. otherwise I don’t count him as one.

If he never really dieted down and did the water manipulation and all that, I don’t see how you can call him one.

He just seems to of had different goals in life. Nothing wrong with that.

And the white guy there is a BBer, just a bad one. Doesn’t make him any better than anyone else who isn’t.

A t-ball team in a league is a baseball team. Nolan Ryan (in his prime) playing catch in the backyard, isn’t a baseball. Even if he’s throwing pitches that would strike out the best hitters of the day. He isn’t a baseball player, if he never went out on the field and did it.

Just my opinion, and like I said, I don’t think or mean it to diminish what he accomplished.

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But he did compete… just not at his biggest/later in his career. So he’s a bodybuilder, unless you have to compete regularly or you lose your status as one?