Vert/Speed Training Thread

Oh, to be younger again.

I was once in a dunk contest with two guys I grew up with and a guy that slept on the floor of my apartment. There was a fifth guy there too but he could barely touch the rim so I won’t count him. I was 265 pounds and couldn’t jump off of one leg to save my ass. No winner or losers were declared however I will say that I was not the only one that could do a street legal “180” from a standstill. No one was over 6’5" and the short guy was 6’1". That guy was all ass and could jump like a kangaroo. And yes it was a ten foot rim. I can produce witnesses if needed. : )

[quote]bluejay wrote:
Oh, to be younger again.

I was once in a dunk contest with two guys I grew up with and a guy that slept on the floor of my apartment. There was a fifth guy there too but he could barely touch the rim so I won’t count him. I was 265 pounds and couldn’t jump off of one leg to save my ass. No winner or losers were declared however I will say that I was not the only one that could do a street legal “180” from a standstill. No one was over 6’5" and the short guy was 6’1". That guy was all ass and could jump like a kangaroo. And yes it was a ten foot rim. I can produce witnesses if needed. : )[/quote]

How old are you mate? I’m 26.

I can’t jump off one foot to save my life but a lot of that is down to not playing bball and no training for it :stuck_out_tongue:

Koing

I am 35 years old.

I was in my early to mid twenties when I trained most consistently and had decent athleticism. I was a collegiate shotputter and typically I would drop up to twenty pounds of body weight by the end of a season and at that point could fly like bird.

When I jumped the 38" with a step I was 26 as well. I high rep deadlifted due to a knee issue and box squatted with a narrow stance. The high reps didn’t seem to have a negative impact on my springy-ness but I only did those about once every three weeks to recover otherwise my main work was on light box squats up on to the toes. Also at that time my bf% was visibly as low as it had ever been.

I think I am still reasonably strong when I try to be but I feel that my speed and jumping skills would take a lot of work to get back however when I have tried to power clean on occasion I still can move some decent weight. I have a tendency to injure myself now so that hampers my “comebacks”

I usually touched a basketball about once a year to see if I could dunk. The last time I did I was 29 and could still throw down. This was at a company function where they had us play horse. I was playing with a bunch of old ladies that shot granny style and some pudgy little desk jockeys. I decided that instead of going for a granny style lay-up like the old lady did before me that I would try to dunk. I could but I couldn’t do it off of a step. I didn’t even win the game of horse, some guy stood out at the free throw line and could make almost every shot. I never played basketball, other than pick up games, so I had no shooting skills. I was still fairly active at this point so jumping wasn’t to foreign to me yet.

Sorry long post.

Here’s a 36" box jump wearing a 40lb vest from earlier today-

Never wore a weight vest before, and have only done dedicated jump training a couple of times. These were cool. Have an MRI scheduled in a couple of weeks on my non-surgically repaired knee. Hopefully the news isn’t too bad. 'Til then, gonna push.

I’m in immediate off season from basketball and have 10 weeks to increase my vertical 4".

Should I take a week or two off to recover from the season? Or hop right into a program?

I’ll be following one of Baggett’s programs from VJB.

[quote]hoops12 wrote:
I’m in immediate off season from basketball and have 10 weeks to increase my vertical 4".

Should I take a week or two off to recover from the season? Or hop right into a program?

I’ll be following one of Baggett’s programs from VJB.[/quote]

I’m in the same situation, just finished indoors (sprints) and taking a week off before doing a VJB program (the one for lacking in reactive strength). I was close to going right into it but he wrote something about much needed rest and my coach agrees so i’m forcing myself to stay away from exercise (day 4 of 7 and i’m itching to go). I think it’s worth taking a week off, maybe a little more if you’ve been getting more fatigued in the last few weeks.

[quote]hoops12 wrote:
I’m in immediate off season from basketball and have 10 weeks to increase my vertical 4".

Should I take a week or two off to recover from the season? Or hop right into a program?

I’ll be following one of Baggett’s programs from VJB.[/quote]

Why 10 weeks, and why 4"? That’s a lot of gain in a very short time frame.

yea turbolykes what you were saying didn’t really make any sense, one thing is that you were probably really fatigued from lifting and doing the squats and the second thing is that you were doing a program that a cleveland browns player and o-lifter did if i understood that correctly, so it was probably way too advanced for you, which would in turn lead you to be more fatigued and really drain your cns, in which case you would be jumping a lot lower.

If the trainers said it kills your vertical why would they say it comes back within a couple weeks of stopping squatting. If squatting hurt your vertical then it wouldn’t make sense to fully come back it should stay lower, it’ll come back in a couple weeks because when you give your body a rest and let it supercompensate you will be able to display that new strength you have in the jump and you will be jumping high, and with proper rest probably higher than the 36 if you have bene gaining a lot in the squat

Well guys, I’ve had to take the last 2 months off from basically all lower body stuff due to diagnosed severe tendonitis. Last night did the first “heavy” lower session in awhile. I started with powercleans from the floor and worked up to 205 for 2, which felt pretty good considering I haven’t done 'em in a good while. But after I worked up to only 255 for 3 on atg squats, which was really humbling, haha. It was just to see where I’m at really. Am trying to stretch, ice and do mobility stuff daily. Once the knee pain has decreased significantly I’m going to start running and jumping again. I’ve promised myself that I will get back to a 40"+ vert, and WILL get there. Y’all be easy.

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
Well guys, I’ve had to take the last 2 months off from basically all lower body stuff due to diagnosed severe tendonitis. Last night did the first “heavy” lower session in awhile. I started with powercleans from the floor and worked up to 205 for 2, which felt pretty good considering I haven’t done 'em in a good while. But after I worked up to only 255 for 3 on atg squats, which was really humbling, haha. It was just to see where I’m at really. Am trying to stretch, ice and do mobility stuff daily. Once the knee pain has decreased significantly I’m going to start running and jumping again. I’ve promised myself that I will get back to a 40"+ vert, and WILL get there. Y’all be easy.[/quote]

damn man sucks about the tendonitis… hope you stay healthy and get back on track, you were flying pretty good last vids i saw.

peace

sup, thought I’d share this in the vert thread.

this is rip, 5’6" (7’4 reach), 16 years old, 150 lb, hitting a ~45" running vert:

he’s one of the most insanely dedicated athletes i’ve ever seen on these forums. He wants 55" RVJ legit one day, that’s one of his performance goals.

Here’s an EASY squat single at 2.2xBW, his estimated 1RM is around 360-375, so very close to 2.5xBW:

peace

Impressive jump, but a 45" jump with a 7’4" reach would have him touching 11’1". Looks more like 36 - 38 inches to me.

[quote]Train4sport wrote:
Impressive jump, but a 45" jump with a 7’4" reach would have him touching 11’1". Looks more like 36 - 38 inches to me. [/quote]

you got bad eyes, this kid routinely hits 10’8-10’10 in that gym on dunk attempts, you aren’t comprehending what you are seeing… his right arm is bent like crazy, his left arm is coming across, he’s not leaning outstretched… 10’4 eh…

bye.

edit:

how could this be 10’4? http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae273/Bpeavler/wow-2.jpg

just admit you’re wrong and we can move on :F

[quote]adarqui wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
Well guys, I’ve had to take the last 2 months off from basically all lower body stuff due to diagnosed severe tendonitis. Last night did the first “heavy” lower session in awhile. I started with powercleans from the floor and worked up to 205 for 2, which felt pretty good considering I haven’t done 'em in a good while. But after I worked up to only 255 for 3 on atg squats, which was really humbling, haha. It was just to see where I’m at really. Am trying to stretch, ice and do mobility stuff daily. Once the knee pain has decreased significantly I’m going to start running and jumping again. I’ve promised myself that I will get back to a 40"+ vert, and WILL get there. Y’all be easy.[/quote]

damn man sucks about the tendonitis… hope you stay healthy and get back on track, you were flying pretty good last vids i saw.

peace[/quote]

Thanks man. Actually, those vids were with the tendonitis, it just wasn’t diagnosed yet. It’s starting to get a bit better though, so I’m gonna keep doing what I’m doing and hopefully get back to 360’s, windmills, shit like that.

[quote]adarqui wrote:
sup, thought I’d share this in the vert thread.

this is rip, 5’6" (7’4 reach), 16 years old, 150 lb, hitting a ~45" running vert:

he’s one of the most insanely dedicated athletes i’ve ever seen on these forums. He wants 55" RVJ legit one day, that’s one of his performance goals.

Here’s an EASY squat single at 2.2xBW, his estimated 1RM is around 360-375, so very close to 2.5xBW:

peace[/quote]

I gotta agree with the other guy. He’s getting up but that’s not a 45".

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]adarqui wrote:
sup, thought I’d share this in the vert thread.

this is rip, 5’6" (7’4 reach), 16 years old, 150 lb, hitting a ~45" running vert:

he’s one of the most insanely dedicated athletes i’ve ever seen on these forums. He wants 55" RVJ legit one day, that’s one of his performance goals.

Here’s an EASY squat single at 2.2xBW, his estimated 1RM is around 360-375, so very close to 2.5xBW:

peace[/quote]

I gotta agree with the other guy. He’s getting up but that’s not a 45".[/quote]

what is it then? 35?

highest 35 ive ever seen.

i could understand if someone went “thats not 45, more like 42 or so”.

Vert eyeball arguments. Best part about the internet.

[quote]jtrinsey wrote:
Vert eyeball arguments. Best part about the internet.[/quote]

yup.

not 45, but really high so who cares.

[quote]adarqui wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]adarqui wrote:
sup, thought I’d share this in the vert thread.

this is rip, 5’6" (7’4 reach), 16 years old, 150 lb, hitting a ~45" running vert:

he’s one of the most insanely dedicated athletes i’ve ever seen on these forums. He wants 55" RVJ legit one day, that’s one of his performance goals.

Here’s an EASY squat single at 2.2xBW, his estimated 1RM is around 360-375, so very close to 2.5xBW:

peace[/quote]

I gotta agree with the other guy. He’s getting up but that’s not a 45".[/quote]

what is it then? 35?

highest 35 ive ever seen.

i could understand if someone went “thats not 45, more like 42 or so”.
[/quote]

I’d say realistically high 30’s. The camera angle makes him look higher than he is. There’s a point where he extends his arm and he’s definitely not high enough to dunk it. Do you have any vids of him dunking?