P.S., you can’t keep doing singles over 90% day after day because your nervous system will burn out an eventually you won’t even be able to do that 90% until you recover.
[quote]jtrinsey wrote:
DjSm28 wrote:
If we have the potential to life boulders when faced with a life and death situation
This is kind of a hijack, but I always thought this was kind of bullshit. Same thing with the “mother can lift up a car if her baby is trapped under” anecdote that always gets bandied about.
People get in car accidents and are trapped inside cars or their loved ones are trapped in their cars. I know a few EMTs and have never heard them tell a story of somebody busting out of a car or ripping a door off. Remember that guy who got his arm trapped under a boulder? I’m pretty sure he would have rather picked the boulder up rather than saw his fucking arm off.
Yeah, I’m sure the adrenaline surge helps, but if you’re 140 pounds, you ain’t gonna be squatting 1000 pounds, no matter how much you might want to.[/quote]
it’s an extra 15-30% strength increase… its not a 500% strength increase… 15-30% increase = ridiculous.
athletes who train hard, for a long time, can consciously get closer & closer to tapping into that 15-30%… non-athletes can’t even come close, unless they are in a life or death situation, in which it then becomes possible.
peace
[quote]adarqui wrote:
it’s an extra 15-30% strength increase… its not a 500% strength increase… 15-30% increase = ridiculous.
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I could buy that. My max deadlift is in the 500 range, but I could accept that I could get 600 pounds off the ground to save a family member’s life. 800 though? Not a chance.
[quote]jtrinsey wrote:
adarqui wrote:
it’s an extra 15-30% strength increase… its not a 500% strength increase… 15-30% increase = ridiculous.
I could buy that. My max deadlift is in the 500 range, but I could accept that I could get 600 pounds off the ground to save a family member’s life. 800 though? Not a chance.[/quote]
ok jtrinsey im tired of you making assumptions… next session work up to a max, then have a friend inject you with adrenaline, make that two adrenaline shots… then try 800.
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It’s been proven natural adrenaline is more effective than artificial by a long shot. I can attest to this I was about to get hit by a car in the parking lot and my mom picked me up by the shirt and flung me away from the car. I was only 110 pounds at the time but with one hand this was impressive to me my moms not that strong.
Hey guys, just wanted to update you on my progress. I’ve been using the suggestions from WhiteFlash and Kelly Baggett and have been practicing my running and jumping for about a month. Yesterday I did my first reverse two-handed dunk, 180 two-handed dunk, and pulled off (barely) a two-handed 360 dunk (starting from free-thrown line area). It was my second workout of the day, as I did some muscle-close-grips/cleans/overhead presses earlier in the day.
Started another plyo routine to add in with my olympic lifting. Did some depth jumps/shock jumps on Monday and my ability to “stick” yesterday on the court was amazing. It’s going to be exciting to see how things progress these next two months. And the amazing thing is I could still easily dunk two-handed from a standing vertical jump (plyos and all the training usually temporarily “weakens”) my hops.
[quote]TurboLykes wrote:
Hey guys, just wanted to update you on my progress. I’ve been using the suggestions from WhiteFlash and Kelly Baggett and have been practicing my running and jumping for about a month. Yesterday I did my first reverse two-handed dunk, 180 two-handed dunk, and pulled off (barely) a two-handed 360 dunk (starting from free-thrown line area). It was my second workout of the day, as I did some muscle-close-grips/cleans/overhead presses earlier in the day.
Started another plyo routine to add in with my olympic lifting. Did some depth jumps/shock jumps on Monday and my ability to “stick” yesterday on the court was amazing. It’s going to be exciting to see how things progress these next two months. And the amazing thing is I could still easily dunk two-handed from a standing vertical jump (plyos and all the training usually temporarily “weakens”) my hops.[/quote]
nice man, congrats.
[quote]TurboLykes wrote:
Hey guys, just wanted to update you on my progress. I’ve been using the suggestions from WhiteFlash and Kelly Baggett and have been practicing my running and jumping for about a month. Yesterday I did my first reverse two-handed dunk, 180 two-handed dunk, and pulled off (barely) a two-handed 360 dunk (starting from free-thrown line area). It was my second workout of the day, as I did some muscle-close-grips/cleans/overhead presses earlier in the day.
Started another plyo routine to add in with my olympic lifting. Did some depth jumps/shock jumps on Monday and my ability to “stick” yesterday on the court was amazing. It’s going to be exciting to see how things progress these next two months. And the amazing thing is I could still easily dunk two-handed from a standing vertical jump (plyos and all the training usually temporarily “weakens”) my hops.[/quote]
Good deal bro. Let’s get some vids! Also, what’s your squat at? Clean and snatch?
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
Good deal bro. Let’s get some vids! Also, what’s your squat at? Clean and snatch?
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I need to find someone who is willing to sit and take some video of me during a jumping session. They’ll get done eventually though, hopefully sooner rather than later. My squat (deep olympic squats only) is probably max around 140-145 kg, as I was doing three sets of two reps with 130 kg at the end of my workout last Friday. My clean AND jerk max is 115 kg. I have no clue what my clean max is, probably the same.
Hey everyone, I was wondering what you guys thought about unilateral exercises vs. bilateral exercises for improving your vertical jump (one legged squats vs barbell squat). Because if you think about it, even if you jump off 2 legs, for a running approach, you usually plant one leg before the other and then you jump. After doing a lot of one legged squats, I find it easier to grip to floor now. Feels like I can get off the floor quicker than I used to. So did you guys have any experience with unilateral training and what kind of improvements did you get from it?
[quote]chau1987 wrote:
Hey everyone, I was wondering what you guys thought about unilateral exercises vs. bilateral exercises for improving your vertical jump (one legged squats vs barbell squat). Because if you think about it, even if you jump off 2 legs, for a running approach, you usually plant one leg before the other and then you jump. After doing a lot of one legged squats, I find it easier to grip to floor now. Feels like I can get off the floor quicker than I used to. So did you guys have any experience with unilateral training and what kind of improvements did you get from it?[/quote]
Interesting that you mention this. Last night a friend of mine, who is a trainer for the UT basketball team, told me that doing single-legged squats and practicing running and jumping with both legs (single leg alternation) would greatly help your two-legged jump. He estimated gaining 1" from your running jump would equal around 3" added on to your two-legged jump.
Anyone want to give this a try and let us know what the results are? I’ll probably try practicing my running and jumping off one leg after my plyo stint is done.
[quote]TurboLykes wrote:
WhiteFlash wrote:
Good deal bro. Let’s get some vids! Also, what’s your squat at? Clean and snatch?
I need to find someone who is willing to sit and take some video of me during a jumping session. They’ll get done eventually though, hopefully sooner rather than later. My squat (deep olympic squats only) is probably max around 140-145 kg, as I was doing three sets of two reps with 130 kg at the end of my workout last Friday. My clean AND jerk max is 115 kg. I have no clue what my clean max is, probably the same.[/quote]
I meant clean and snatch, as in both, not clean and snatch like I don’t know what I’m talking about, haha. If and when you get your strength up you should have an impressive vert man.
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
I meant clean and snatch, as in both, not clean and snatch like I don’t know what I’m talking about, haha. If and when you get your strength up you should have an impressive vert man.[/quote]
Clean and jerk 
My best snatch is 85 kg
Like I already don’t have an impressive vert? That’s what’s interesting, is I have as high, if not a higher vert, than guys throwing up around 200 kg on the olympic back squat (and much higher numbers than me in the olympic lifts). Do the plyometrics explain this gap? Interesting to think about.
Over my junior year summer (high school) I increased my powerlifting squat max 90 lbs. I’m hoping I can do the same with the olympic squat, as I’d be maxing over 2x bodyweight then. My vert should shoot through the roof when I get much stronger. My weightlifting coach told me, “You’re not really a strong guy, you’re just EXPLOSIVE.” Which is true, I can’t even press 60 kg, yet I can jerk over 2x that weight no problem. 
The nice thing about lacking in strength is that it’s the easiest to gain. Lift relatively heavy often, problems solved (in a nutshell).
Just to clarify, I know it’s the clean and jerk. That’s why I explained it the way I did. Not sure if you got that with the tone of your last post. Or maybe I just don’t now how to read internet speak.
With that out of the way, you do have a good vert. Your coach is right. I didn’t know how to say it without sounding like a dick, but you are not strong. I wouldn’t know how to explain it man, but you’re probably like I am [pre-injuries anyway] in that you’re naturally springy. When I was getting 40"+ all I was doing was lifting 3-4 days a week and playing ball 1-2 times a week. Don’t know how much I gained, but went from dunking with 2-hands off the run to dunking from a standstill in 2 months or so. I imagine if you focused on getting stronger while practicing jumping a couple of times a week you’d get some serious gains.
[quote]adarqui wrote:
I’ve always felt that strength gains via neural adaptations don’t help sports, your hops or speed, but muscle gains in the right place do. Neural adaptations and rate coding gains are movement and skill specific, while muscle gains are general
you’ve always felt this way?
then your idealogy must suck, considering you’ve gone nowhere in 10 years…
im harsh with you because you act like you speak “the training gospel”, yet have done bum-fuck-nothing.
peace[/quote]
It was t-whites quote, not coocolj’s you angry little man. Why is everyone anti-muscle. Play any high level sport and you will find that a combination of muscle with strength and technical ability will dominate a player with just strength and technical ability. Build some fucking muscle. Although adarqui you don’t compete so maybe you will never relise this?
You stupid
I believe adarqui was a competitive boxer, so he had weight classes to deal with.
A year or so ago I was helping a NHL team and they hired this guy to come in and do a bunch of anthropometric measurements- far more thorough than anything i had ever seen- and he entered the data into his computer and determined the optimal body weight for each athlete. It was pretty interesting to see. It gave the SC coach an idea of who needed to add weight, who should maintain, and who should lose weight. They also took into account bodyfat %
Alex
Can you guys recommend any good hip flexor stretches? I feel that tight hip flexors are holding me back quite a bit in the speed/vert department.
Vert currently, lousy running jump tehnique as you can see 
Not bad… is that a club match?