Vert/Speed Training Thread

[quote]CoolColJ wrote:
I’ve seen it happen quite a lot, and from emails of other people to me asking why this is happening all the time.[/quote]

i’ve personally seen it not happen on many occasions, including eddie and jamie mcowen that you have seen videos of.

so you guys know a lot of people who squat 2x bodyweight, I thought they were rare…

[quote]arnoud verschoor wrote:
so you guys know a lot of people who squat 2x bodyweight, I thought they were rare…[/quote]

if you’re referring to my statement, what im saying is: i’ve seen people who are jumping “higher than for what they squat (based on ccj’s totally awesome and 100% accurate calculator)”, and then by improving their squat, their jumping has also gone up… ccj is saying that these people’s jumping wont go up until they learn how to utilize all their ability into the squat, which I have seen otherwise…

2xBW full squat is not that rare in lighter/leaner guys. Most skinny/lean Vert bros will reach it pretty quickly if they cut back on all the jumping/sports, eat and sleep well and bust ass. Harder for for fatter and bigger guys though

didn’t take this guy long to hit it, and all he did was 5x5 twice a week

not a surprise, he can jump now. He did that for a few months, then asked me how to deload and peak his hops. I gave him some recommendations on how to do it. And he gained 4 inches.
he touched 10’7" from a video I saw and he’s 5’7"

[quote]CoolColJ wrote:
2xBW full squat is not that rare in lighter/leaner guys. Most skinny/lean Vert bros will reach it pretty quickly if they cut back on all the jumping/sports, eat and sleep well and bust ass. Harder for for fatter and bigger guys though

didn’t take this guy long to hit it, and all he did was 5x5 twice a week

not a surprise, he can jump now. He did that for a few months, then asked me how to deload and peak his hops. I gave him some recommendations on how to do it. And he gained 4 inches.
he touched 10’7" from a video I saw and he’s 5’7"
[/quote]

He’s also wearing a belt which you said jumpers shouldn’t do. Anyway, anyone wanna give me a height estimate on the vids I posted? Any feedback is welcomed.

belt is his preference, not mine, but that’s not his max anyway

You need a better camera, because it just looks like a mess of blurs :slight_smile:
I usually judge jump height by the top of the head, but it’s so blurry I can’t tell where your head is

My left leg is an inch bigger than my right from basketball (lots of layups) do you guys see squats creating a bigger problem for me. What should I do it’s a hgue problem, unilateral work is not working very well, I can do 4 reps with my left and fell more stimulation than 8 reps with my right on an exercise like lunges or bulgarian squats. HELP

dunk mix i made yesterday

peace.

[quote]CoolColJ wrote:
I’ve always felt that strength gains via neural adaptations don’t help sports, your hops or speed, but muscle gains in the right place do. Neural adaptations and rate coding gains are movement and skill specific, while muscle gains are general

Nice Thomas White quote
T White is now on the Ravens in the NFL FYI - they’re a HIT team according to him :slight_smile:


Listen I’ve done it all: Westside, Gayle Hatch program, true ME work on bench and squat 2x a week, Poliquin, APRE, exotic Christian T type stuff in the weight room, etc. At the end of the day it doesn’t need to be rocket science. Practice your sport/activity as the primary stimulus, then go to the weight room and push your self with work in the 70-80% range. Don’t chase numbers in the weight room, this is coming from a guy who has squatted 540 and done nearly as much on the deadlift, it is a fruitless endeavor (ego aside). True ME work doesn’t have a place in the training of a team sport athlete or sprinter. From my experience all you are doing is getting better at lifting heavy weights, at the possible expense of your joints and tendons! Remember that the weight room is a means to an end!

Another thing I have found to hold true is Charlie’s (Charlie Francis) old standby: If it looks right, it flies right.

I can tell you that the guys with big glutes and hamstrings were always the fastest but not always the strongest, even pound for pound. My former teammates David Gettis comes to mind, built like TO at 6’3 220 with massive hamstrings and glutes but would often get out squatted by guys with much smaller muscles. But on the field he would blow all of them away, ran a 45.x 400m in high school and could jump out of the gym as well, he and I used to do dunk contests and it would draw a little crowd.

Basically he was a very strong guy who didn’t express it very well in a squat rack but did where it actually counted!

I think most people would be better off chasing larger muscles in the weight room rather than numbers, strap a few lbs. muscle on your glutes and hamstrings and I guarantee you’ll be a better athlete.

Here’s another anecdote that will make Colin smile:
A good friend of mine used to work exclusively with reps above 6 (mostly 8-10), aside from an occasional heavy triple on the bench. He played D1 ball with me and was a terror on special teams. His primary philosophy was “max effort” which to him meant going to near failure on his sets of 8-10 and his bread and butter was 3x10 on the bench with a very heavy weight and 4x8 on the squat, only adding weight when he was able to complete all the reps in every set. At the time (2005 or so) I thought his program was poor in comparison to something as “cutting edge” as Westside but now looking back he was maximally activating his fibers and working them in that state (the core tenet of DC, rest-pause, Myo-reps). The result was benching over 400, squatting over 500, cleaning 353, having a 36’’ CMJ and running a 4.45 despite rarely running outside of off-season. This was all at 6’3 215 and 6% BF.

Spring of 2008, he quit football after breaking his wrist pretty badly, he really devoted himself to working hard in the weight room and becoming absolutely freaky. He used split training but made sure he hit the bench and squat 2x a week. He did no plyometrics or running during this period but admittedly did use a popular OTC “supplement” by CEL. At the end of the training phase, 6-8 weeks, he was absolutely huge, 226-228 and leaner and more vascular with glutes and hamstrings that were gigantic. But the real surprise came when he returned from a workout and asked me to measure his vertical because he felt like he could fly. At this point I still believed in the “all show, no go” philosophy and figured that all the weight gain and lack of specific work would leave him well below his best CMJ. I was wrong…

He jumped 39’', 3 inches better than he ever did while training full time as a D1 college football player with OL’s, plyos, etc. He also did so while being heavier than ever.

That really opened my eyes and brought things full circle to the value of muscle in the right places. Many of you have come to a similar conclusion.

Practice your sport → Build more muscle in the primary muscles[/quote]

I definately understand this method. And I will be putting it to the test by working in the higher reps and increasing my calories.

I’ve always done low reps but I’ve gotta say when I was 14 lbs heavier I felt a lot faster and more powerful.

Correct me if I am wrong, but was the fastest time at the nfl draft not performed by a man called Darrius Heyward-Bey who weighed in at 210 lbs. I would say he’s performed a bit of hypertrophy work.

hypertrophy and strength go hand in hand
fat gain hinders things though, and not many natural people past the begineer stage will gain more than a 1lb of muscle a week, especially not just in the lower body :slight_smile:

[quote]OooahhhCANTONA wrote:
CoolColJ wrote:
I’ve always felt that strength gains via neural adaptations don’t help sports, your hops or speed, but muscle gains in the right place do. Neural adaptations and rate coding gains are movement and skill specific, while muscle gains are general

Nice Thomas White quote
T White is now on the Ravens in the NFL FYI - they’re a HIT team according to him :slight_smile:


Listen I’ve done it all: Westside, Gayle Hatch program, true ME work on bench and squat 2x a week, Poliquin, APRE, exotic Christian T type stuff in the weight room, etc. At the end of the day it doesn’t need to be rocket science. Practice your sport/activity as the primary stimulus, then go to the weight room and push your self with work in the 70-80% range. Don’t chase numbers in the weight room, this is coming from a guy who has squatted 540 and done nearly as much on the deadlift, it is a fruitless endeavor (ego aside). True ME work doesn’t have a place in the training of a team sport athlete or sprinter. From my experience all you are doing is getting better at lifting heavy weights, at the possible expense of your joints and tendons! Remember that the weight room is a means to an end!

Another thing I have found to hold true is Charlie’s (Charlie Francis) old standby: If it looks right, it flies right.

I can tell you that the guys with big glutes and hamstrings were always the fastest but not always the strongest, even pound for pound. My former teammates David Gettis comes to mind, built like TO at 6’3 220 with massive hamstrings and glutes but would often get out squatted by guys with much smaller muscles. But on the field he would blow all of them away, ran a 45.x 400m in high school and could jump out of the gym as well, he and I used to do dunk contests and it would draw a little crowd.

Basically he was a very strong guy who didn’t express it very well in a squat rack but did where it actually counted!

I think most people would be better off chasing larger muscles in the weight room rather than numbers, strap a few lbs. muscle on your glutes and hamstrings and I guarantee you’ll be a better athlete.

Here’s another anecdote that will make Colin smile:
A good friend of mine used to work exclusively with reps above 6 (mostly 8-10), aside from an occasional heavy triple on the bench. He played D1 ball with me and was a terror on special teams. His primary philosophy was “max effort” which to him meant going to near failure on his sets of 8-10 and his bread and butter was 3x10 on the bench with a very heavy weight and 4x8 on the squat, only adding weight when he was able to complete all the reps in every set. At the time (2005 or so) I thought his program was poor in comparison to something as “cutting edge” as Westside but now looking back he was maximally activating his fibers and working them in that state (the core tenet of DC, rest-pause, Myo-reps). The result was benching over 400, squatting over 500, cleaning 353, having a 36’’ CMJ and running a 4.45 despite rarely running outside of off-season. This was all at 6’3 215 and 6% BF.

Spring of 2008, he quit football after breaking his wrist pretty badly, he really devoted himself to working hard in the weight room and becoming absolutely freaky. He used split training but made sure he hit the bench and squat 2x a week. He did no plyometrics or running during this period but admittedly did use a popular OTC “supplement” by CEL. At the end of the training phase, 6-8 weeks, he was absolutely huge, 226-228 and leaner and more vascular with glutes and hamstrings that were gigantic. But the real surprise came when he returned from a workout and asked me to measure his vertical because he felt like he could fly. At this point I still believed in the “all show, no go” philosophy and figured that all the weight gain and lack of specific work would leave him well below his best CMJ. I was wrong…

He jumped 39’', 3 inches better than he ever did while training full time as a D1 college football player with OL’s, plyos, etc. He also did so while being heavier than ever.

That really opened my eyes and brought things full circle to the value of muscle in the right places. Many of you have come to a similar conclusion.

Practice your sport → Build more muscle in the primary muscles

I definately understand this method. And I will be putting it to the test by working in the higher reps and increasing my calories.

I’ve always done low reps but I’ve gotta say when I was 14 lbs heavier I felt a lot faster and more powerful.

Correct me if I am wrong, but was the fastest time at the nfl draft not performed by a man called Darrius Heyward-Bey who weighed in at 210 lbs. I would say he’s performed a bit of hypertrophy work.[/quote]

This is one of the dumbest things I’ve read yet. By that line of thinking, I should do hammer strength bench and leg extensions 'cause Usain Bolt does 'em and he’s pretty fast so that’ll make me fast too!!!

Everyone in football is big, and they’re all pretty fuckin’ fast too. Julius Peppers would duck out of the weightroom every chance he got, but you doing so isn’t gonna make you a 6’7" damn near 300lb genetic freak millionaire. At that level, the biggest difference isn’t coaching, or training or even drugs. It’s genetics, and no matter what Heyward Bey has done [or not done, none of us trained with him] you’re not him.

[quote]CoolColJ wrote:
hypertrophy and strength go hand in hand
fat gain hinders things though, and not many natural people past the begineer stage will gain more than a 1lb of muscle a week, especially not just in the lower body :)[/quote]

Dude, please stop with the dogmatic jibber-jabber. How does any of that make sense to you, really?

So I was wondering, wouldn’t it make sense to have your ME effort stuff and maxing, and then your assistance exercises are what you do for higher reps and that’s what adds muscle?

[quote]CoolColJ wrote:
2xBW full squat is not that rare in lighter/leaner guys. Most skinny/lean Vert bros will reach it pretty quickly if they cut back on all the jumping/sports, eat and sleep well and bust ass. Harder for for fatter and bigger guys though
[/quote]

most skinny vert bros can reach 2xBW squat quickly?

you should go on tour with your comedy…

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
OooahhhCANTONA wrote:
CoolColJ wrote:
I’ve always felt that strength gains via neural adaptations don’t help sports, your hops or speed, but muscle gains in the right place do. Neural adaptations and rate coding gains are movement and skill specific, while muscle gains are general

Nice Thomas White quote
T White is now on the Ravens in the NFL FYI - they’re a HIT team according to him :slight_smile:


Listen I’ve done it all: Westside, Gayle Hatch program, true ME work on bench and squat 2x a week, Poliquin, APRE, exotic Christian T type stuff in the weight room, etc. At the end of the day it doesn’t need to be rocket science. Practice your sport/activity as the primary stimulus, then go to the weight room and push your self with work in the 70-80% range. Don’t chase numbers in the weight room, this is coming from a guy who has squatted 540 and done nearly as much on the deadlift, it is a fruitless endeavor (ego aside). True ME work doesn’t have a place in the training of a team sport athlete or sprinter. From my experience all you are doing is getting better at lifting heavy weights, at the possible expense of your joints and tendons! Remember that the weight room is a means to an end!

Another thing I have found to hold true is Charlie’s (Charlie Francis) old standby: If it looks right, it flies right.

I can tell you that the guys with big glutes and hamstrings were always the fastest but not always the strongest, even pound for pound. My former teammates David Gettis comes to mind, built like TO at 6’3 220 with massive hamstrings and glutes but would often get out squatted by guys with much smaller muscles. But on the field he would blow all of them away, ran a 45.x 400m in high school and could jump out of the gym as well, he and I used to do dunk contests and it would draw a little crowd.

Basically he was a very strong guy who didn’t express it very well in a squat rack but did where it actually counted!

I think most people would be better off chasing larger muscles in the weight room rather than numbers, strap a few lbs. muscle on your glutes and hamstrings and I guarantee you’ll be a better athlete.

Here’s another anecdote that will make Colin smile:
A good friend of mine used to work exclusively with reps above 6 (mostly 8-10), aside from an occasional heavy triple on the bench. He played D1 ball with me and was a terror on special teams. His primary philosophy was “max effort” which to him meant going to near failure on his sets of 8-10 and his bread and butter was 3x10 on the bench with a very heavy weight and 4x8 on the squat, only adding weight when he was able to complete all the reps in every set. At the time (2005 or so) I thought his program was poor in comparison to something as “cutting edge” as Westside but now looking back he was maximally activating his fibers and working them in that state (the core tenet of DC, rest-pause, Myo-reps). The result was benching over 400, squatting over 500, cleaning 353, having a 36’’ CMJ and running a 4.45 despite rarely running outside of off-season. This was all at 6’3 215 and 6% BF.

Spring of 2008, he quit football after breaking his wrist pretty badly, he really devoted himself to working hard in the weight room and becoming absolutely freaky. He used split training but made sure he hit the bench and squat 2x a week. He did no plyometrics or running during this period but admittedly did use a popular OTC “supplement” by CEL. At the end of the training phase, 6-8 weeks, he was absolutely huge, 226-228 and leaner and more vascular with glutes and hamstrings that were gigantic. But the real surprise came when he returned from a workout and asked me to measure his vertical because he felt like he could fly. At this point I still believed in the “all show, no go” philosophy and figured that all the weight gain and lack of specific work would leave him well below his best CMJ. I was wrong…

He jumped 39’', 3 inches better than he ever did while training full time as a D1 college football player with OL’s, plyos, etc. He also did so while being heavier than ever.

That really opened my eyes and brought things full circle to the value of muscle in the right places. Many of you have come to a similar conclusion.

Practice your sport → Build more muscle in the primary muscles

I definately understand this method. And I will be putting it to the test by working in the higher reps and increasing my calories.

I’ve always done low reps but I’ve gotta say when I was 14 lbs heavier I felt a lot faster and more powerful.

Correct me if I am wrong, but was the fastest time at the nfl draft not performed by a man called Darrius Heyward-Bey who weighed in at 210 lbs. I would say he’s performed a bit of hypertrophy work.

This is one of the dumbest things I’ve read yet. By that line of thinking, I should do hammer strength bench and leg extensions 'cause Usain Bolt does 'em and he’s pretty fast so that’ll make me fast too!!!

Everyone in football is big, and they’re all pretty fuckin’ fast too. Julius Peppers would duck out of the weightroom every chance he got, but you doing so isn’t gonna make you a 6’7" damn near 300lb genetic freak millionaire. At that level, the biggest difference isn’t coaching, or training or even drugs. It’s genetics, and no matter what Heyward Bey has done [or not done, none of us trained with him] you’re not him. [/quote]

twhite ran a 10.5 in high school…

here’s from his log from 2004:

I play football. I’ll most likely run track next spring as well

PRs:
100: 10.5 (from high school)
40: I haven’t timed FAT but best hand clockings are in 4.2-4.3 range
VJ: 38.5"
SLJ: 10’ 7.5"
Bench: 350 max(usually around 335 though) 21 reps@225
Squat: 510
Clean: 318
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he’s an awesome guy, but you have to understand he’s a freak before you take his training advice.

us genetic piles of shit have to utilize a bit more methodology than ccj’s “omg just bodybuild and jump” retardedness.

[quote]
I’ve always felt that strength gains via neural adaptations don’t help sports, your hops or speed, but muscle gains in the right place do. Neural adaptations and rate coding gains are movement and skill specific, while muscle gains are general [/quote]

you’ve always felt this way?

then your idealogy must suck, considering you’ve gone nowhere in 10 years…

im harsh with you because you act like you speak “the training gospel”, yet have done bum-fuck-nothing.

peace

[quote]adarqui wrote:

I’ve always felt that strength gains via neural adaptations don’t help sports, your hops or speed, but muscle gains in the right place do. Neural adaptations and rate coding gains are movement and skill specific, while muscle gains are general

you’ve always felt this way?

then your idealogy must suck, considering you’ve gone nowhere in 10 years…

im harsh with you because you act like you speak “the training gospel”, yet have done bum-fuck-nothing.

peace[/quote]

Colin, I’m going show my results, I know people call the genetic freak card but I don’t think so…

I’m going to kill the conjecture that you must gain muscle to benefit sports.

So I gained 90lbs on squat from Starting Strength going from 1.5xbw to 2xbw, 200-290, now 315. I only gained 5lbs of total weight throughout the 2.5 months some upper body some lower body, mostly fat. So I went from 140-145, then back down to 140.
I started out at a 36" rvj and like 28-30" svj, afterwards I had 45" rvj and around 30" svj due to lack of practice. I became a much better basketball player, so much faster and quicker, getting tons of rebounds and steals. I did all this while gaining 0 lbs of muscle but I put 90lbs on my squat. I think everyone can agree I benefited, maybe genetics + puberty + starting to lift heavy might have played a large role, but I still think neurological gains, rate coding, etc are underrated. You know I recently tried smolov, It might have fucked me up health wise but my svj went from 30" to 33-35" and my rvj is up, maybe around 46-47, but I don’t know for sure. Again I didnt gain much weight 140-143.

I think gaining muscle would definitely not hurt you, but you should gain as much strength as you can at your current body weight before you try to gain weight.

Just so you know coolcolj, I don’t hate your methods, I’m actually going to try and follow you and kb’s advice and gain muscle, etc and see what happens.

*Edit- 15 btw so you all can pull the genetic freak teenager card. :wink:

[quote]adarqui wrote:

I’ve always felt that strength gains via neural adaptations don’t help sports, your hops or speed, but muscle gains in the right place do. Neural adaptations and rate coding gains are movement and skill specific, while muscle gains are general

you’ve always felt this way?

then your idealogy must suck, considering you’ve gone nowhere in 10 years…

im harsh with you because you act like you speak “the training gospel”, yet have done bum-fuck-nothing.

peace[/quote]

finally someone said it…

[quote]adarqui wrote:
WhiteFlash wrote:
OooahhhCANTONA wrote:
CoolColJ wrote:
I’ve always felt that strength gains via neural adaptations don’t help sports, your hops or speed, but muscle gains in the right place do. Neural adaptations and rate coding gains are movement and skill specific, while muscle gains are general

Nice Thomas White quote
T White is now on the Ravens in the NFL FYI - they’re a HIT team according to him :slight_smile:


Listen I’ve done it all: Westside, Gayle Hatch program, true ME work on bench and squat 2x a week, Poliquin, APRE, exotic Christian T type stuff in the weight room, etc. At the end of the day it doesn’t need to be rocket science. Practice your sport/activity as the primary stimulus, then go to the weight room and push your self with work in the 70-80% range. Don’t chase numbers in the weight room, this is coming from a guy who has squatted 540 and done nearly as much on the deadlift, it is a fruitless endeavor (ego aside). True ME work doesn’t have a place in the training of a team sport athlete or sprinter. From my experience all you are doing is getting better at lifting heavy weights, at the possible expense of your joints and tendons! Remember that the weight room is a means to an end!

Another thing I have found to hold true is Charlie’s (Charlie Francis) old standby: If it looks right, it flies right.

I can tell you that the guys with big glutes and hamstrings were always the fastest but not always the strongest, even pound for pound. My former teammates David Gettis comes to mind, built like TO at 6’3 220 with massive hamstrings and glutes but would often get out squatted by guys with much smaller muscles. But on the field he would blow all of them away, ran a 45.x 400m in high school and could jump out of the gym as well, he and I used to do dunk contests and it would draw a little crowd.

Basically he was a very strong guy who didn’t express it very well in a squat rack but did where it actually counted!

I think most people would be better off chasing larger muscles in the weight room rather than numbers, strap a few lbs. muscle on your glutes and hamstrings and I guarantee you’ll be a better athlete.

Here’s another anecdote that will make Colin smile:
A good friend of mine used to work exclusively with reps above 6 (mostly 8-10), aside from an occasional heavy triple on the bench. He played D1 ball with me and was a terror on special teams. His primary philosophy was “max effort” which to him meant going to near failure on his sets of 8-10 and his bread and butter was 3x10 on the bench with a very heavy weight and 4x8 on the squat, only adding weight when he was able to complete all the reps in every set. At the time (2005 or so) I thought his program was poor in comparison to something as “cutting edge” as Westside but now looking back he was maximally activating his fibers and working them in that state (the core tenet of DC, rest-pause, Myo-reps). The result was benching over 400, squatting over 500, cleaning 353, having a 36’’ CMJ and running a 4.45 despite rarely running outside of off-season. This was all at 6’3 215 and 6% BF.

Spring of 2008, he quit football after breaking his wrist pretty badly, he really devoted himself to working hard in the weight room and becoming absolutely freaky. He used split training but made sure he hit the bench and squat 2x a week. He did no plyometrics or running during this period but admittedly did use a popular OTC “supplement” by CEL. At the end of the training phase, 6-8 weeks, he was absolutely huge, 226-228 and leaner and more vascular with glutes and hamstrings that were gigantic. But the real surprise came when he returned from a workout and asked me to measure his vertical because he felt like he could fly. At this point I still believed in the “all show, no go” philosophy and figured that all the weight gain and lack of specific work would leave him well below his best CMJ. I was wrong…

He jumped 39’', 3 inches better than he ever did while training full time as a D1 college football player with OL’s, plyos, etc. He also did so while being heavier than ever.

That really opened my eyes and brought things full circle to the value of muscle in the right places. Many of you have come to a similar conclusion.

Practice your sport → Build more muscle in the primary muscles

I definately understand this method. And I will be putting it to the test by working in the higher reps and increasing my calories.

I’ve always done low reps but I’ve gotta say when I was 14 lbs heavier I felt a lot faster and more powerful.

Correct me if I am wrong, but was the fastest time at the nfl draft not performed by a man called Darrius Heyward-Bey who weighed in at 210 lbs. I would say he’s performed a bit of hypertrophy work.

This is one of the dumbest things I’ve read yet. By that line of thinking, I should do hammer strength bench and leg extensions 'cause Usain Bolt does 'em and he’s pretty fast so that’ll make me fast too!!!

Everyone in football is big, and they’re all pretty fuckin’ fast too. Julius Peppers would duck out of the weightroom every chance he got, but you doing so isn’t gonna make you a 6’7" damn near 300lb genetic freak millionaire. At that level, the biggest difference isn’t coaching, or training or even drugs. It’s genetics, and no matter what Heyward Bey has done [or not done, none of us trained with him] you’re not him.

twhite ran a 10.5 in high school…

here’s from his log from 2004:

I play football. I’ll most likely run track next spring as well

PRs:
100: 10.5 (from high school)
40: I haven’t timed FAT but best hand clockings are in 4.2-4.3 range
VJ: 38.5"
SLJ: 10’ 7.5"
Bench: 350 max(usually around 335 though) 21 reps@225
Squat: 510
Clean: 318
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he’s an awesome guy, but you have to understand he’s a freak before you take his training advice.

us genetic piles of shit have to utilize a bit more methodology than ccj’s “omg just bodybuild and jump” retardedness.
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I wouldn’t mind them numbers!

Well at the moment I’m gonna be going with max-effort training, followed by assistance training. As mentioned here earlier.

I have just over 8 weeks until a 60m indoor competition, in this time I will report my strength and weight.

Although I find it a bit insulting that this thread is in “conditioning”.

Heres a video of me.

I look a bit sluggish to what I’ve been like in the past. This maybe in part the fact that I am carrying more weight.

I’ve also added in more direct calf work to try and remedy this problem.

According to CoolColJ’s formula (which I changed the 42 thing in the formula as I am a bit taller) my vertical jump should be 23 inches. Its a bit more than that. So I’m just focusing on strength at the moment.