[quote]Professor X wrote:
I got the House of M because it is part of what leads up to the major changes taking place now. You can probably buy this stuff on line now. I go to a local comic store because the lady there knows everything about every comic. I originally just bought them because I liked what they were doing with Luke Cage.[/quote]
Brokeback!
[quote]PGA200X wrote:
Professor X wrote:
I got the House of M because it is part of what leads up to the major changes taking place now. You can probably buy this stuff on line now. I go to a local comic store because the lady there knows everything about every comic. I originally just bought them because I liked what they were doing with Luke Cage.
Brokeback![/quote]
That was a stretch. You’re just mad cause I let the word out on your wine cooler obsession. There’s nothing like a Smirnoff Twist with Kool-Aid, huh?
[quote]Professor X wrote:
In the Ultimate universe, he and Brock are the same age and the suit was designed as a military weapon. My guess is, that is what they will do here.[/quote]
I hope it’s the outer space version. If Oscorp hires another genius that hijacks a military/research supersuit and reeks havoc on the city, I think I’ll shoot myself. That place really needs to get some better HR people.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
PGA200X wrote:
Professor X wrote:
I got the House of M because it is part of what leads up to the major changes taking place now. You can probably buy this stuff on line now. I go to a local comic store because the lady there knows everything about every comic. I originally just bought them because I liked what they were doing with Luke Cage.
Brokeback!
That was a stretch. You’re just mad cause I let the word out on your wine cooler obsession. There’s nothing like a Smirnoff Twist with Kool-Aid, huh?[/quote]
That shit is crazy delicious!
The only reason you got mad was because I ran over your Texans 5 times with my 'Skins in Madden two weeks ago. Its OK. Play a little more against the computer before you try and challenge me again! I know you’re still bulking but there is only so much ice cream one can eat! No more beer, steak, ice cream, Madden night. I need to keep the fat off during golf season!
Hmm…military weapon suit and Ultimate Spidey. I was wondering how they were planning on working in the whole Secret Wars thing.
I know nothing of this Ultimate line. And now I feel bad for my buddy’s kid, as he’s bound to be confused if he sees the movie after all the Spiderman history lessons about Venom.
[quote]faizan wrote:
have any of you guys actually read the ultimate line? it’s quite badass.
i really don’t see how it’s lame redoing a classic story. is it lame because the world is moving past you? or the fact that it makes more sense now? it’s written better? the lines aren’t as cheesy?
honestly guys, you’re entitled to have your own opinion and what not, but just because something’s different doesn’t mean it sucks.
instead of sitting there talking shit about how the movie’s story line has changed or how the ultimate ALTERNATE UNIVERSE is different, i think one’s time would be far better used in growing up. things aren’t the same. deal with it![/quote]
No, we say the ultimate line sucks, because it does, not because of change or anything, I’ve read a bunch of the x-men ones online on marvel, which weren’t bad. But redoing the height and weight of all the characters, being totally untrue to the original story… just that kind of shit which ruins it.
If they want to create a totally different spider-man universe. At least don’t totally sell out with the same villians. That’s why batman beyond was cool.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Ren wrote:
Professor X wrote:
This will probably put Marvel on top for years to come. I was never really that into comics growing up aside from being aware of them and some of the more popular story lines. This is the first time they have switched things up enough for me to care. Things like Captain America becoming a fugitive or Spiderman being forced to reveal his identity on television and Johnny Storm being put in the hospital after getting beat up outside a nightclub.
I have been trying to follow the Civil War series, it kicks ass. Also, where do you get the graphic novels that have a whole bunch of comics in them under 1 cover? Any recommendations for someone that wants to catch up over the past couple of years?
I got the House of M because it is part of what leads up to the major changes taking place now. You can probably buy this stuff on line now. I go to a local comic store because the lady there knows everything about every comic. I originally just bought them because I liked what they were doing with Luke Cage.[/quote]
I’ve been trying to catch up on that stuff too. In hindsight I think that’s where the director of X-Men 3 got his influence. But it was some “cure” instead of Scarlet Witch.
Thanks for the heads up on the “Civil War” continuity. Is it similar to the Earth X storyline where everyone either died and\or was just a home-body?
[quote]En Sabah Nur wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Ren wrote:
Professor X wrote:
This will probably put Marvel on top for years to come. I was never really that into comics growing up aside from being aware of them and some of the more popular story lines. This is the first time they have switched things up enough for me to care. Things like Captain America becoming a fugitive or Spiderman being forced to reveal his identity on television and Johnny Storm being put in the hospital after getting beat up outside a nightclub.
I have been trying to follow the Civil War series, it kicks ass. Also, where do you get the graphic novels that have a whole bunch of comics in them under 1 cover? Any recommendations for someone that wants to catch up over the past couple of years?
I got the House of M because it is part of what leads up to the major changes taking place now. You can probably buy this stuff on line now. I go to a local comic store because the lady there knows everything about every comic. I originally just bought them because I liked what they were doing with Luke Cage.
I’ve been trying to catch up on that stuff too. In hindsight I think that’s where the director of X-Men 3 got his influence. But it was some “cure” instead of Scarlet Witch.
Thanks for the heads up on the “Civil War” continuity. Is it similar to the Earth X storyline where everyone either died and\or was just a home-body?
[/quote]
I don’t know anything about Earth X. I only know I like Captain America now.
You can actually download most comics on Limewire now just like you can with mp3s. Im not condoning ripping off comics from the net but it is what it is.Go on Limewire and type in “civil war” for example then cbr after it. Cbr stands for comic book reader which you’ll have to download as well.Hope that makes sense.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Rykker wrote:
otoko wrote:
I know the original story line from when I was a kid living in America. They redid it? Why?
Like the Prof. alluded to, to capture the interest of the younger crowd that didn’t grow up with the original storyline; to sell comics.
Appeal to the masses to keep profits up. We older folks aren’t “the masses” any longer.
Actually, we are. Comic sales seem to be up in the 25-35 year old crowd and the story lines reflect that…
Kids shouldn’t even touch the Punisher graphic novels. They are making a lot of these comics on a more adult level and they are selling. The art work is pretty impressive as well.
They simply realize that they now have to appeal to two different sets of audiences…those who actually grew up already…and those who don’t have a freaking clue what happened before the year 1995.[/quote]
Good points – I hadn’t thought of the various graphic novels that exert the same kind of pull as the more mainstream comics did when I was younger.
I actually picked up my first few just before Star Wars Episode III was released, from the nine-volume Clone Wars series, specifically because of the artwork (another medium from which to feed my Star Wars fix, at the time). I have one of the Sin City ones, also.
[quote]harris447 wrote:
It would all be worth it just to see the Beyonder’s jheri curl’d afro in IMAX.[/quote]
Ha, ha! Maybe the guy who played the live-action Tick could be the Beyonder. Picture him saying, “I am from Beyond.” with his squinty eyes and clueless demeanor.
[quote]Kratos wrote:
faizan wrote:
i really don’t see how it’s lame redoing a classic story. is it lame because the world is moving past you? or the fact that it makes more sense now? it’s written better? the lines aren’t as cheesy?
honestly guys, you’re entitled to have your own opinion and what not, but just because something’s different doesn’t mean it sucks.
instead of sitting there talking shit about how the movie’s story line has changed or how the ultimate ALTERNATE UNIVERSE is different, i think one’s time would be far better used in growing up. things aren’t the same. deal with it!
Yeah, I guess they could redesign the Corvette, give it 4 doors, a V-6, make it a hatchback, and also front-wheel drive, and call it a Corvette. After all, things are different now. Anyone who thinks that would suck needs to grow up. Or maybe you do. Nobody’s making that big a deal about it, but it would be nice to see some superheroes who actually looked a little super. At least there is a modicum of the original content, but some would like to see better adaptations, since 100% translations aren’t feasible, anyway.[/quote]
I’m with Kratos here. As I wrote in the TMNT thread:
[i]I’m kind of torn, though. On one hand, the creators have every right to make a buck off the franchise, but the characters in their original form are what got me and many others on board.
It’s kind of like Marvel scrapping 40 years of continuity for this Ultimates shit. It’s their right, of course, but it doesn’t mean I have to like it.[/i]
I’m content with the fact that there are enough back issues I haven’t read, that I can pretty much collect for the rest of my life and never run out of comics to read.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Rykker wrote:
otoko wrote:
I know the original story line from when I was a kid living in America. They redid it? Why?
Like the Prof. alluded to, to capture the interest of the younger crowd that didn’t grow up with the original storyline; to sell comics.
Appeal to the masses to keep profits up. We older folks aren’t “the masses” any longer.
Actually, we are. Comic sales seem to be up in the 25-35 year old crowd and the story lines reflect that. After listening to Harris, I started buying some of the graphic novels (where they put together all of the comics in a series under one cover and charge one price for it). [/quote]
Actually, those are known as “trade paperbacks”, not graphic novels. The difference? A graphic novel is a self-contained story that has never appeared in print before.
Now, I know you’re not exactly a collector, Prof, but if you ever become interested, trade paperbacks are great for catching up with storylines, but from a collector’s prospective, aren’t worth the paper they are printed on most times. Graphic novels, like The Hulk’s Future Imperfect or Spiderman’s Hooky tend to appreciate nicely.
[quote]The Civil War story line isn’t for little kids. It also reflects a lot of the political discussion we have had here in some ways. Kids shouldn’t even touch the Punisher graphic novels. They are making a lot of these comics on a more adult level and they are selling. The art work is pretty impressive as well.
They simply realize that they now have to appeal to two different sets of audiences…those who actually grew up already…and those who don’t have a freaking clue what happened before the year 1995.[/quote]
Briefly, I will assert my geek dominance:
CIVIL WAR
The best thing Marvel’s done in 20 years. You should be reading this. They are 3 issues into a 7 issue series. There are also “tie-ins”, but you don’t need to read them.
The story in a nutshell: a bunch of heroes fuck up massively, killing 600 civilians. The government introduces a “Superhuman Registration Act”. Half the heroes (led by Iron Man, Mr. Fantastic, and Spidey) are down with Uncle Sam. Half (Cap, Daredevil, Luke Cage) are not.
The top seller at my store was Infinite Crisis (DC’s last “event”), which sold about 100 copies. We are selling 150 of this.
The best part about it is that you need vitually no knowledge, besides basic character awareness, to read it.
ULTIMATE LINE
The people talking shit about this simply don’t know what they’re talking about. The entire point was to strip the characters down to what is essential about them.
Peter Parker is back in high school.
The X-Men no longer have 25 years of Claremont-induced continuity nightmares that include futures, alternate dimensions, and other bullshit that makes my ears bleed.
The Utimates is the team book; basically, The Avengers on steroids. They don’t hang around the mansion with a butler bringing them drinks: they live on a fortified island off the coast of Manhattan. Thor might be a god, might be a mental patient. Iron Man is a drunk with an insecurity problem. Captain America…well, picture your grandpa screaming about the “kids these days” with his veins full of Super-Soldier Serum.
They dont fight the bad guy of the month. Mostly, they fight each other.
More to come…
[quote]harris447 wrote:
Briefly, I will assert my geek dominance:
CIVIL WAR
The best thing Marvel’s done in 20 years. You should be reading this. They are 3 issues into a 7 issue series. There are also “tie-ins”, but you don’t need to read them.
The story in a nutshell: a bunch of heroes fuck up massively, killing 600 civilians. The government introduces a “Superhuman Registration Act”. Half the heroes (led by Iron Man, Mr. Fantastic, and Spidey) are down with Uncle Sam. Half (Cap, Daredevil, Luke Cage) are not.
The top seller at my store was Infinite Crisis (DC’s last “event”), which sold about 100 copies. We are selling 150 of this.
The best part about it is that you need vitually no knowledge, besides basic character awareness, to read it.
ULTIMATE LINE
The people talking shit about this simply don’t know what they’re talking about. The entire point was to strip the characters down to what is essential about them.
Peter Parker is back in high school.
The X-Men no longer have 25 years of Claremont-induced continuity nightmares that include futures, alternate dimensions, and other bullshit that makes my ears bleed.
The Utimates is the team book; basically, The Avengers on steroids. They don’t hang around the mansion with a butler bringing them drinks: they live on a fortified island off the coast of Manhattan. Thor might be a god, might be a mental patient. Iron Man is a drunk with an insecurity problem. Captain America…well, picture your grandpa screaming about the “kids these days” with his veins full of Super-Soldier Serum.
They dont fight the bad guy of the month. Mostly, they fight each other.
More to come…[/quote]
Well, that’s all fine and dandy, I just feel I dedicated too much of my time and money over the last 25 years to read “stripped down” versions of the characters I spent all this time getting into.
Agreed, Marvel editors fucked things up royally in the 80’s and 90’s with ridiculously complex future/alternate dimension continuity. Not to mention the nobody-ever-really-dies bullshit.
They had painted themselves into a corner, longtime fans were becoming disinterested, and they needed a new market share; that’s business and they rolled with it. I’m not faulting them for that, nor am I saying that the Ultimates storylines are bad (how could I, having never cracked one open?), it’s just that it feels like a kick in the nuts to have had Marvel mismanage their product so badly that they had to bail on fans like me who made them millionaires many times over because of the original storylines and characters.
That’s all I’m trying to say.
[quote]harris447 wrote:
Briefly, I will assert my geek dominance:
[/quote]
HA! Dominance, my foot!
[whips out collapsible, plastic light saber]
You call yourself a geek, Mr. I-take-my-toys-out-of-
their-original-packaging???!!! Have at you! 
[quote]harris447 wrote:
Pootie Tang wrote:
Right now it would be impossible to do the proper origin of the Black Symbiote(sp?) suit because Spider Man originally got it in The Secret Wars. Topher grace is playing Sandman if I am not mistaken
You are mistaken. Thomas Hayden Church will be playing Sandman.
Wow. A Sideways reference on T-mag. THC plays a great asshole in a movie full of great lines:
God I love that movie.
End of hi-jack.
Lots of passion about the story lines here. I actually had to have my kids explain the entire Vemon / Carnage symbiote, etc thing to me. I just knew the old school Spidy.
I have just decided to treat all the movies as another storyline, and not worry about what the studio gets right, wrong, or whatever.
Otherwise, you spend the entire film looking for fuckups instead of just enjoying the ride.
Having said that, I will be sorely disappointed if the series ends without the Lizard making an appearance.
[quote]Digital Chainsaw wrote:
harris447 wrote:
Briefly, I will assert my geek dominance:
CIVIL WAR
The best thing Marvel’s done in 20 years. You should be reading this. They are 3 issues into a 7 issue series. There are also “tie-ins”, but you don’t need to read them.
The story in a nutshell: a bunch of heroes fuck up massively, killing 600 civilians. The government introduces a “Superhuman Registration Act”. Half the heroes (led by Iron Man, Mr. Fantastic, and Spidey) are down with Uncle Sam. Half (Cap, Daredevil, Luke Cage) are not.
The top seller at my store was Infinite Crisis (DC’s last “event”), which sold about 100 copies. We are selling 150 of this.
The best part about it is that you need vitually no knowledge, besides basic character awareness, to read it.
ULTIMATE LINE
The people talking shit about this simply don’t know what they’re talking about. The entire point was to strip the characters down to what is essential about them.
Peter Parker is back in high school.
The X-Men no longer have 25 years of Claremont-induced continuity nightmares that include futures, alternate dimensions, and other bullshit that makes my ears bleed.
The Utimates is the team book; basically, The Avengers on steroids. They don’t hang around the mansion with a butler bringing them drinks: they live on a fortified island off the coast of Manhattan. Thor might be a god, might be a mental patient. Iron Man is a drunk with an insecurity problem. Captain America…well, picture your grandpa screaming about the “kids these days” with his veins full of Super-Soldier Serum.
They dont fight the bad guy of the month. Mostly, they fight each other.
More to come…
Well, that’s all fine and dandy, I just feel I dedicated too much of my time and money over the last 25 years to read “stripped down” versions of the characters I spent all this time getting into.
Agreed, Marvel editors fucked things up royally in the 80’s and 90’s with ridiculously complex future/alternate dimension continuity. Not to mention the nobody-ever-really-dies bullshit.
They had painted themselves into a corner, longtime fans were becoming disinterested, and they needed a new market share; that’s business and they rolled with it. I’m not faulting them for that, nor am I saying that the Ultimates storylines are bad (how could I, having never cracked one open?), it’s just that it feels like a kick in the nuts to have had Marvel mismanage their product so badly that they had to bail on fans like me who made them millionaires many times over because of the original storylines and characters.
That’s all I’m trying to say.[/quote]
I agree with you about what happened in the 80’s/90’s. Between the Clone Saga and Heroes Reborn and Age of Apocalypse and on and on.
The thing about the Ultimate line is that, first off, they haven’t abandoned the “classic”, or 616, Universe.
(Ten geek points for anyone who knows why it’s called 616.)
The Ultimate universe is not just “stripped down.” In fact, it’s the characters at their most Platonic. The Ultimate Spidey is the closest I’ve seen to the perfect Spidey that only really exists in one’s mind that I’ve seen in a long time.
I like the Ultimate stuff so much that I’ll make you a deal:
Buy the first trade of The Ultimates. It’s called “Super-Human”. It’s the best team book ever written, and I include in that both Ellis and Millar’s runs on The Authority and Morrison’s X-Men and JLA.
If you don’t like it–honestly don’t like it–you mail it to me and I’ll buy it from you.
Honor system here, but I truly believe that the Ultimate line (and especially The Ultimates book) is some of the best stuff in a while.
[quote]harris447 wrote:
(Ten geek points for anyone who knows why it’s called 616.)
[/quote]
Depends on what theory you want to go for. 1)The Captain Britain/Merlyn designation to account for non-continuity issues, 2)that Alan Moore just pulled the number out of his ass, or 3)that Fantastic Four #1 hit the newsstands in June of 1961 (61/6), thus begining the birth of the Marvel Universe.
I find the last one highly unlikely, as the cover reads November 1961. I’ve seen comics on the newsstands two, even three months before, but never five. Plus, you have to juxtapose the month and year (with regards to the normal way one would write the date) to make it work. Too many tweaks for me.