Venom (Spiderman 3)

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[quote]harris447 wrote:
I like the Ultimate stuff so much that I’ll make you a deal:

Buy the first trade of The Ultimates. It’s called “Super-Human”. It’s the best team book ever written, and I include in that both Ellis and Millar’s runs on The Authority and Morrison’s X-Men and JLA.

If you don’t like it–honestly don’t like it–you mail it to me and I’ll buy it from you.

Honor system here, but I truly believe that the Ultimate line (and especially The Ultimates book) is some of the best stuff in a while.
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Wow, that really putting your money where your mouth is! I accept your challenge. I’ll let you know what I think as soon as I can get down to my local comic shop (got a 1 month old at home, so sneaking out is something of a problem).

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[quote]Digital Chainsaw wrote:

Actually, those are known as “trade paperbacks”, not graphic novels. The difference? A graphic novel is a self-contained story that has never appeared in print before.

Now, I know you’re not exactly a collector, Prof, but if you ever become interested, trade paperbacks are great for catching up with storylines, but from a collector’s prospective, aren’t worth the paper they are printed on most times. Graphic novels, like The Hulk’s Future Imperfect or Spiderman’s Hooky tend to appreciate nicely.

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I can understand that. However, considering I haven’t really been a comic book reader to the point of actually following these issues like I seem to be right now, it was a great way to catch up. I also doubt there is no collective value considering issues like “The House of M” also contained “bonus additions” like going into greater detail of what the world was like after the initial change by using “newspaper inserts”.

Either way, if Marvel’s goal was to attract renewed interest in these characters, they succeeded with Civil War. I just hate having to wait a month instead of getting the whole story at once.

Also, who is The Patriot?

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the Civil War series is awesome, ive actually started to buy “civil war: frontline” to appease myself until #4 comes out.

at first, I didn’t really care for captain america, but reading Civil War, i love this guy! hes a complete bad ass! But I now greatly hope iron man gets the crap kicked out of him and killed now.

Also if you read the frontline series (or i think it was the latest Amazing Spider-Man?) you’ll see that spider-man is beginning to have an inner conflict about being on Ironman’s side because he’ unsure if he can go up against a legend and national hero, Captain America.

Also, im predicting that Captain America is going to get a wild card in the series—The Hulk. He’s on another planet now but i’m going to guess that Civil War is going to bring him back from the planet and he’ll remember it was Tony Stark and Co. who shot him off to space in the first place (or was it Fantastic 4? not sure…if anybody can help me out, please do)

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[quote]BWBurner wrote:
the Civil War series is awesome, ive actually started to buy “civil war: frontline” to appease myself until #4 comes out.

at first, I didn’t really care for captain america, but reading Civil War, i love this guy! hes a complete bad ass! But I now greatly hope iron man gets the crap kicked out of him and killed now.

Also if you read the frontline series (or i think it was the latest Amazing Spider-Man?) you’ll see that spider-man is beginning to have an inner conflict about being on Ironman’s side because he’ unsure if he can go up against a legend and national hero, Captain America.

Also, im predicting that Captain America is going to get a wild card in the series—The Hulk. He’s on another planet now but i’m going to guess that Civil War is going to bring him back from the planet and he’ll remember it was Tony Stark and Co. who shot him off to space in the first place (or was it Fantastic 4? not sure…if anybody can help me out, please do)[/quote]

I liked who the first person Captain America went to for help turned out to be.

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On the Ultimates, and people getting pissed off about their continuity getting humped by the dog – it happens.

Yeah, we might not like what happens with the new continuity, but it happens. I’m more concerned about the quality of the tales. Really, guys, they’re fictional characters! In the land of make-believe, the greatest value of a story is its quality. Losing 30 years of continuity when 20 of it has turned to crap is no great loss.

What they’re doing with the Ultimates is not merely boiling them down to their essence, but stripping away the dross and retelling the greatest stories these characters have produced placed in a modern context.

All great stories get retold and reinvented – that’s how you can tell they’re great. Look how often the Arthurian tales have been re-imagined. Sometimes it’s brilliant, sometimes its crap. But it’s only through taking the chance that the story lives, grows, changes, and (hopefully) develops some real gems in its long history.

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[quote]BWBurner wrote:
the Civil War series is awesome, ive actually started to buy “civil war: frontline” to appease myself until #4 comes out.

at first, I didn’t really care for captain america, but reading Civil War, i love this guy! hes a complete bad ass! But I now greatly hope iron man gets the crap kicked out of him and killed now.

Also if you read the frontline series (or i think it was the latest Amazing Spider-Man?) you’ll see that spider-man is beginning to have an inner conflict about being on Ironman’s side because he’ unsure if he can go up against a legend and national hero, Captain America.

Also, im predicting that Captain America is going to get a wild card in the series—The Hulk. He’s on another planet now but i’m going to guess that Civil War is going to bring him back from the planet and he’ll remember it was Tony Stark and Co. who shot him off to space in the first place (or was it Fantastic 4? not sure…if anybody can help me out, please do)[/quote]

This sounds like I’ll be heading to the comic shop come payday…

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[quote]poolcook wrote:
There is also the Spiderman the animated series spin on the Venom story, in which Venom is an alien symbiote that attacched itself to spiderman went he save John Jameson when his spaceship crashlanded on the hudson river. I think including John Jameson on Spiderman 2 clues us into this storyline.[/quote]

That was probably a lot more convenient than having to make an entire Secret Wars movie.

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[quote]The_Rabbi wrote:
poolcook wrote:
There is also the Spiderman the animated series spin on the Venom story, in which Venom is an alien symbiote that attacched itself to spiderman went he save John Jameson when his spaceship crashlanded on the hudson river. I think including John Jameson on Spiderman 2 clues us into this storyline.

That was probably a lot more convenient than having to make an entire Secret Wars movie.[/quote]

But in the cartoons all the super heroes ended up going to another dimension anyway (I think to fight Doom), so it could’ve worked out.

Does anyone know what the hell happened to Mary Jane in that continuity? They cancelled the series right when Madame Web was about to take Peter to go find her, damn Fox, cancelling all the good shows…

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
Digital Chainsaw wrote:

Actually, those are known as “trade paperbacks”, not graphic novels. The difference? A graphic novel is a self-contained story that has never appeared in print before.

Now, I know you’re not exactly a collector, Prof, but if you ever become interested, trade paperbacks are great for catching up with storylines, but from a collector’s prospective, aren’t worth the paper they are printed on most times. Graphic novels, like The Hulk’s Future Imperfect or Spiderman’s Hooky tend to appreciate nicely.

I can understand that. However, considering I haven’t really been a comic book reader to the point of actually following these issues like I seem to be right now, it was a great way to catch up. I also doubt there is no collective value considering issues like “The House of M” also contained “bonus additions” like going into greater detail of what the world was like after the initial change by using “newspaper inserts”.

Either way, if Marvel’s goal was to attract renewed interest in these characters, they succeeded with Civil War. I just hate having to wait a month instead of getting the whole story at once.

Also, who is The Patriot?[/quote]

Patriot is a member of the Young Avengers. (Check out their first collection, called “Sidekicks”. You’ll like it.)

He is the grandson of the original Captain America. “But,” you say, “he’s black!”

Yup. Do you honestly think they were going to test out the Super Soldier Serum for the first time on a blue-eyed, blond-haired kid?

(THAT story is told in a collection called “Truth”.)

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[quote]Digital Chainsaw wrote:
harris447 wrote:

(Ten geek points for anyone who knows why it’s called 616.)

Depends on what theory you want to go for. 1)The Captain Britain/Merlyn designation to account for non-continuity issues, 2)that Alan Moore just pulled the number out of his ass, or 3)that Fantastic Four #1 hit the newsstands in June of 1961 (61/6), thus begining the birth of the Marvel Universe.

I find the last one highly unlikely, as the cover reads November 1961. I’ve seen comics on the newsstands two, even three months before, but never five. Plus, you have to juxtapose the month and year (with regards to the normal way one would write the date) to make it work. Too many tweaks for me.[/quote]

10 points.

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I have a couple of boxes of bagged Wolverines, X-Men and Punisher comics stashed away in a closet somewhere, but haven’t bought a comic book in over 10 years.

However, this Civil War line sounds good. I just might have to check it out and get the collection going again.

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Clear this up for me…the guy from “That 70’s Show” is playing the big, badass Eddie Brock?

If so, he is even more frail than the actor that plays Spiderman…gezz.

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[quote]harris447 wrote:

Patriot is a member of the Young Avengers. (Check out their first collection, called “Sidekicks”. You’ll like it.)

He is the grandson of the original Captain America. “But,” you say, “he’s black!”

Yup. Do you honestly think they were going to test out the Super Soldier Serum for the first time on a blue-eyed, blond-haired kid?

(THAT story is told in a collection called “Truth”.)
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I guess they have a new fan for these stories.

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As an old comic book geek (How old you say? I still have original Marvel comics from the late 60’s and early 70’s. Some I inherited from my big brother, but many I purchased myself) I have to say I like the direction Marvel has gone off in. I haven’t purchased a new comic since the early 90’s (They got too damn expensive for my habit, so I went cold turkey), but I do stop by comic shops and bookstores to browse the rack and keep up.

I like the Ultimates. The feel is more real world. House of M rocked! I love anything X-Men related. I am currently enjoying Civil War. Another fellow old-school comic geek turned me on to it. I am actually buying those, that’s how much I like it.

As far as Venom (Spiderman 3), the purist in me can’t stand the fact that Venom is being played by Topher Grace and the Sandman is being played by Thomas Hayden Church. Both of these characters are jacked in the comics (except Ultimates, of course), and it annoys the OG (Original Geek) in me. However, I understand why it was done, so I will support the movie. Now, if the movie sucks, I will be relentless in my criticism. LOL!

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
harris447 wrote:

Patriot is a member of the Young Avengers. (Check out their first collection, called “Sidekicks”. You’ll like it.)

He is the grandson of the original Captain America. “But,” you say, “he’s black!”

Yup. Do you honestly think they were going to test out the Super Soldier Serum for the first time on a blue-eyed, blond-haired kid?

(THAT story is told in a collection called “Truth”.)

I guess they have a new fan for these stories.[/quote]

Two new fans. I liked that story line as well.

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Isn’t Topher(Tofer) playing Sandman? In the Trailer he has that Sandman Sweater on.

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Any comic book fan should definately check out Civil War, also some of the tie-ins are worth checking out, specially the Wolverine and the Spiderman tie-ins. Wolverine is tracking down the villain responsible for the catatrophe that started this whole mess, and in the spiderman tie ins you can see whats going on now that all of Spidermans enemies now his secret identity. Also jamesons reaction to parkers unmasking is priceless.

The Ultimate sotrylines has some cool stuff worth cheking out, the ulimates definately and Ultimate Wolverine vs Hulk

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[quote]poolcook wrote:
Any comic book fan should definately check out Civil War, also some of the tie-ins are worth checking out, specially the Wolverine and the Spiderman tie-ins. Wolverine is tracking down the villain responsible for the catatrophe that started this whole mess, and in the spiderman tie ins you can see whats going on now that all of Spidermans enemies now his secret identity. Also jamesons reaction to parkers unmasking is priceless.

The Ultimate sotrylines has some cool stuff worth cheking out, the ulimates definately and Ultimate Wolverine vs Hulk[/quote]

True about Spiderman. I wasn’t expecting a law suit.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
poolcook wrote:
Any comic book fan should definately check out Civil War, also some of the tie-ins are worth checking out, specially the Wolverine and the Spiderman tie-ins. Wolverine is tracking down the villain responsible for the catatrophe that started this whole mess, and in the spiderman tie ins you can see whats going on now that all of Spidermans enemies now his secret identity. Also jamesons reaction to parkers unmasking is priceless.

The Ultimate sotrylines has some cool stuff worth cheking out, the ulimates definately and Ultimate Wolverine vs Hulk

True about Spiderman. I wasn’t expecting a law suit.[/quote]

lol, I actually found the lawsuit twist kind of funny.

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What are the titles of the Spiderman tie-ins?

edit: Damn. Broke my cardinal rule (search first). Nevermind. Found 'em.