there isn’t a guy here with traps…what’s up with that?
seriously though, they have my respect for their uphill battle.
who would you be more likely to label the elitist: a BB’er at Mr. O or a BB’er at Vegan Bodybuilding Worlds? i know how much the term offends some, that’s not my intention. it’s just some rabbit food for thought.
[quote]Chris Colucci wrote:
For more effective vegetarian nutrition info, y’all might want to check out:
http://www.jasonferruggia.com/?page_id=155
http://www.jasonferruggia.com/?page_id=159
http://www.mikemahler.com/articles/vegan_diet.html
Vegan UFC Pro Mac Danzig’s typical diet: http://www.jasonferruggia.com/?page_id=164[/quote]
Thanks Chris,
I like a good steak so I won’t be giving that up, but I also love lentil soup, so I may start adding more things back in.
I liked the links!
I know he posted averaged cals, but it seems low to me for an athlete at his level, and very low for a BBer on a bulk.
I mean the Danzig’s guy diet.
but it does show how to pack away some healthy calories
and in regards to soy, if it is plant based estrogen, is there still such a concern?
[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
I like a good steak so I won’t be giving that up, but I also love lentil soup, so I may start adding more things back in.[/quote]
I don’t know where you are in Cali, but Cafe Colucci - http://www.cafecolucci.com - is an authentic Ethiopian restaurant in Oakland with a bunch of vegetarian menu options that sounds tasty. And no, there’s no relation. I found the link when researching and thought it was a freaking funny coincidence.
[quote]I know he posted averaged cals, but it seems low to me for an athlete at his level, and very low for a BBer on a bulk.
I mean the Danzig’s guy diet.[/quote]
Pro athletes are a different breed of people. They’re allowed to get as unconventional as they want, as long as the results and performance are there at the end of the day. (Actually, it would be great if that rule applied to everyone, regarding their training and nutrition. Hmmm. In a perfect world, maybe.)
For a bodybuilder looking to bulk, they’d still be able to get plenty of good carbs and fats. The emphasis would be on getting enough protein, which, as we said earlier in the thread, will be much easier when including one or two good protein powders.
I believe there’s some concern, but a lot of people are either misunderstanding it or misrepresenting it.
Berardi had an excellent article earlier this year that addressed a lot of people’s “avoid soy at all costs”-mentality.
http://www.T-Nation.com/article/most_recent/soy_whats_the_big_deal
As with most things in the nutrition and training world, it’s all about moderation. In excess, soy can be bad news. In moderation, it can be a fine part of a daily diet.
Along those same lines: In excess, almonds can be bad news. In moderation, fine. That doesn’t mean it’s worth stressing out over eating some almonds. If you want to, and if they fit into your nutrition plan, go for it. If it doesn’t float your boat, no problem.
I take my Rez-V every morning, but I don’t hesitate to get a big bowl of miso soup from my local sushi place whenever I go. And I didn’t give a second thought to steaming a big batch of edamame soybeans I received from an organic CSA farm.
[quote]VON_Ballack wrote:
there isn’t a guy here with traps…what’s up with that? [/quote]
Just to clarify, I’m pretty certain that’s from a men’s fitness/figure competition, not a bodybuilding comp. So I’d chalk that up to the competitors training for their particular competition.
In any case, above is 40+ year old Joe DeMarco, a vegan bodybuilder.
I will admit ahead of time, I only see him listed as a “current vegan.” He was vegetarian for several years, fell “off the wagon” for a while, but has been vegan for the past two years.
However, he won the 2007 NPC Master’s Nationals and other contests, so he doesn’t fall in the “maintaining” category.
thanks for clarifying, Chris. that guy has got a solid build!
just curious, how much are some of the taller vegan bodybuilders weighing in at for their competitions? it must be so much harder to add mass between competitions given the foods they’re restricted to.
I was going to become a vegan at one point. Then my mom made steak for dinner.
[quote]Chris Colucci wrote:
Along those same lines: In excess, almonds can be bad news.[/quote]
What exactly are you alluding to here? Not disagreeing, just curious.
[quote]michael2507 wrote:
Chris Colucci wrote:
Along those same lines: In excess, almonds can be bad news.
What exactly are you alluding to here? Not disagreeing, just curious.[/quote]
Excess, in this context, would mean more than otherwise necessary to achieve a certain nutrition goal - fat loss, muscle growth, etc. Too many almonds can jack up the daily calorie total to the point of negatively effecting results, in the same way that too many soy products can lead to negative results.
Anyone who’s sat at a desk job and munched on a cup full of almonds over the course of a day (“accidentally” adding 800-something calories to their total) can relate.
It wasn’t a dig at almonds in particular, I just grabbed those out of the air. It was just to paraphrase a Berardi quote: “There’s no such thing as bad foods, but there are bad times, and bad amounts, to eat certain foods.”
Hope that was clear.
[quote]VON_Ballack wrote:
just curious, how much are some of the taller vegan bodybuilders weighing in at for their competitions? it must be so much harder to add mass between competitions given the foods they’re restricted to.[/quote]
Not a bodybuilder, but Robert Dos Remedios is over 6-feet tall, around 245 at about 11% bodyfat, and has been a vegan for almost 20 years.
But as far as bodybuilders, I really have no clue. DeMarco, like I said above, is a lightweight champion in his class. Roy Hilligenn, from a few pages back, competed at under 180. Most competitive vegans and/or vegetarian bodybuilders seem to be under 200 when in competitive shape.
Whether that’s due to the diet, the individual’s preference, their structure, or possibly a tendency to remain steroid-free (yep, I went there for a quick second. If we’re talking about competitive bodybuilding, it’s fair game), we can’t really be sure.
I have yet to be thoroughly convinced that you can’t get as large as you’d like on a vegetarian diet. With vegans, it may be more difficult, but I also believe it’s possible, though haven’t looked into it too much.
[quote]Chris Colucci wrote:
michael2507 wrote:
Chris Colucci wrote:
Along those same lines: In excess, almonds can be bad news.
What exactly are you alluding to here? Not disagreeing, just curious.
Excess, in this context, would mean more than otherwise necessary to achieve a certain nutrition goal - fat loss, muscle growth, etc.
Too many almonds can jack up the daily calorie total to the point of negatively effecting results, in the same way that too many soy products can lead to negative results.
Anyone who’s sat at a desk job and munched on a cup full of almonds over the course of a day (“accidentally” adding 800-something calories to their total) can relate.
It wasn’t a dig at almonds in particular, I just grabbed those out of the air. It was just to paraphrase a Berardi quote: “There’s no such thing as bad foods, but there are bad times, and bad amounts, to eat certain foods.”
Hope that was clear.[/quote]
Thanks for clarifying. I assumed you were referring to impairing the omega-6:omega-3 ratio or some possible toxin like aflatoxins in peanuts.
[quote]slimthugger wrote:
B rocK wrote:
After looking at a bunch of those pics; I gotta say that there are a minimal amount of impressive looking people there.
For the most part (the guys) they look like skinny A&F models that have seen a lot of sun and grease. You take away the brush on tan and I’m sure they will look pastey and sickly. Now if only there was a way to help that…oh yeah; MEAT!
For the ladies on there, they look skinny. That’s about it. Maybe a bit lean, but if you eat no meat, I’d guess it’s hard to put on any mass at all. So congrats on being skinny and that’s about it! Here’s a friggin’ trophy.
Do we all really think EVERYONE’S goal is to have 20 inch arms and tree trunk thighs? Once again people fall into societal pressure and think looking freakish proves something. [/quote]
I realize I’m a bit late to respond to this.
Where in my post did I say (or elude to):
1.) EVERYONES’ goal is to have 20" arms
2.) Have Tree trunk thighs
3.) To look freakish
Maybe you read a bunch of peoples posts and picked mine to click ‘reply to’. If so, that’s an understandable mistake. If not and I did imply any of the above, please let me know and I will restate things as to portray my initial feelings on the subject.
All vegan/veg issue aside is this kid not a cutter and needs some serious mental help? I’m amazed noone has brought the issue up to him, maybe it’s just me?
good fucking god, yes he looks like a cutter. I can’t believe not one person even mentioned it.
[quote]MarvelGirl wrote:
good fucking god, yes he looks like a cutter. I can’t believe not one person even mentioned it.[/quote]
Pretty easy to tell he’s right handed =(
I’m sorry, but, this was hilarious:
“Looking like a sex monster”
In response to the original post found here:
I am not hot and bothered for some reason. Should I have my pulse checked? Maybe my libido is low?
aww vegans!!! where do i begin… seriously what is the point? circle of life baby, and no we don’t have 5 stomachs like a freaking cow, do we even need vegetation, I don’t think the Eskimos, the Masai or even some aborignales, and some Tundraen peoples from Russia would agree with this… go read Weston Price bitches!
ooo yea and i guess the question was can you thrive, yea sure you can, im sure you could thrive on a raw vegan diet or maybe a shit diet…for awhile, but in the long term, i don’t really think you should mess with your body like that…
[quote]stumpy wrote:
MarvelGirl wrote:
good fucking god, yes he looks like a cutter. I can’t believe not one person even mentioned it.
Pretty easy to tell he’s right handed =(
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That thread deserves a FAIL immortalization rivaling the failed-bulk kid.
‘Oh, I love the size of your forearm!’
Horizontal stripes make things look wider, kids.
“mess with your body like that”???
HAHAHA!.. oohh man… made me laugh someone suggests it might be an unhealthy thing to do to your body
Eating vegetables is good for you and so long as you are getting enough protein and nutrients there is no reason it wouldn’t be a healthy choice.
My only question was in regards to devouring enough protein to build muscle mass needed to be a BBer
None of the other vegans I know (I’ve been vegan for 12 years, vegetarian for 2 1/2 before that) are bodybuilders, but I do know vegan guys that manage to consume enough protein to put on enough muscle to bench 150kg, squat 215 and deadlift 265 at 100kg BW. None of them really post on that site though, because bodybuilders are a bit weird really. (For info, Avi, the guy mentioned earlier, benches 170kg at 89kg BW, and eats mostly whole foods and little if any powdered protein.)
Actually yea I do think so, first off your body requires essential AMINOS, and FATTY ACIDS, not essential carbs, so go ahead and fry your brain and devoid it of such nutrition fine, and vegetables are so over rated! Like I said check out some of the primitive society’s and Weston A. Price’s research and you might be quite surprised that a lot of hunter gather’s didn’t eat much vegetation.
You go to the super markets today and everything is huge, like the freakin biggest apples, and sweet and much abundance but this is due to such much agriculture and hybridization of plants…im not arguing, diet is your own decision obviously, Im just saying nutrition and paleoanthropology are like my passion, and if you’d like I can give you links to back up the talk
[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
“mess with your body like that”???
HAHAHA!.. oohh man… made me laugh someone suggests it might be an unhealthy thing to do to your body
Eating vegetables is good for you and so long as you are getting enough protein and nutrients there is no reason it wouldn’t be a healthy choice.
My only question was in regards to devouring enough protein to build muscle mass needed to be a BBer
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