How much protein would someone actually need to maintain muscle mass on a maintenance diet? I heard that it is roughly 1g per KG of mass right?
Also, would a simple scoop of whey protein ensure sufficient protein intake during the day given that I eat plenty of whole grains, 2-3 servings of dairy a day and 1-2 servings of nuts a day?
Man, you need to discuss this with your therapist.
No more info for you.
Get help.
If you ask a hundred people this question, you will get a hundred different answers.
The only answer that really counts is the one that WORKS FOR YOU. 1 gram per lb of bodyweight is only a guideline. You can start with this amount and see how things go for you and then adjust from there.
I know some big strong guys that get less than 1 gram per lb of bodyweight, everybody is different, you have to find out what works for you. The only way to do that is trial and error.
it works out to about 1 gram of protein per POUND, not kg, of body weight. in regards to the powder question, i don’t know. it depends on how much protein you’re already taking in and how much you weigh. get back to us with those numbers.
it is enough protein to keep you from dying, that is what protein ‘need’ is. your protein ‘wants’ may be higher if you care about your health, performance, or the way you look.
a lot of people will say lots of things about required intake levels, the truth is most don’t have a clue what they are talking about or have confused the two propostitions above.
flashback (toronto november 2004, Berardi’s seminar):
john: what do you tell clients who are vegetarians?
me: eat meat.
that’s it. nothing more. i won’t work with vegetarians. there is no scientific basis for it (quite the opposite actually) and how do you think it pans out when someone is like: “well i want to succeed, but even though i know it takes 10 hours of work, i am going to do 5 because i believe that i can get the same results.”
the message is eat your fruits and veggies, then eat animal protein WITH EVERY MEAL.
[quote]ubl0 wrote:
it is enough protein to keep you from dying, that is what protein ‘need’ is. your protein ‘wants’ may be higher if you care about your health, performance, or the way you look.
a lot of people will say lots of things about required intake levels, the truth is most don’t have a clue what they are talking about or have confused the two propostitions above.
flashback (toronto november 2004, Berardi’s seminar):
john: what do you tell clients who are vegetarians?
me: eat meat.
that’s it. nothing more. i won’t work with vegetarians. there is no scientific basis for it (quite the opposite actually) and how do you think it pans out when someone is like: “well i want to succeed, but even though i know it takes 10 hours of work, i am going to do 5 because i believe that i can get the same results.”
the message is eat your fruits and veggies, then eat animal protein WITH EVERY MEAL.[/quote]
This is idiotic, there are and have been plenty of very strong, built, powerful vegetarians. Yes, most or many vegetarians can be puss-wads that just don’t eat meat but don’t eat very healthy( soy-processed crapola). Equating not eating meat with putting half effort in the gym is lame.
I do eat meat currently so before you start your ad hominem soyboy bullshit you can cancel that shit
The whole reason being is because the only meat that I eat now is turkey and chicken. I see a lot of vegeterians here at school and was just wondering if the healthy heart stuff would be worth just giving up turkey and chicken.
Only thing is all the vegeterians I see are kinda fat (my guess is from over-eating carbs and little exercise)
Just wondering, I mean I am not going to become a vegeterian overnight but I am just seeing if it would work, that’s all.
Thanks for the info guys, for now I will continue eating my chicken breasts and turkey burgers haha
If you want vegetarian eating advice, ask a vegetarian that has been successful, don’t let someone that is anti-vegetarian scare you into thinking you can’t make good gains.
You can do it, make your plan, work your plan, adjust as needed.
[quote]friedrice683 wrote:
I see a lot of vegeterians here at school and was just wondering if the healthy heart stuff would be worth just giving up turkey and chicken. [/quote]
Since when does eating chicken and turkey lead to heart disease? Seriously? Do you actually know anything at all, even for 15? Because it sure doesn’t seem like it.
[quote]friedrice683 wrote:
Only thing is all the vegeterians I see are kinda fat (my guess is from over-eating carbs and little exercise)
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I think a lot of people become vegetarians when they’re out of shape, so when people ask them why they’re fat or have no muscle, they can still say they’re eating their vegetables. “I may be fat but I still eat healthy.” And then some others become vegetarians because they think it will help them lose weight…so they wake up one morning and decide that they’re hardcore vegetarians… EAT MEAT
I think some of you are getting a little “confused” about why people become vegetarians. Saying things like “there is no scientific basis for vegetarianism” is pointless because the VAST majority of vegetarians become vegetarians for ethical, not health, reasons.
I am a vegetarian and I am involved in vegetarian communities. The few vegetarians I know who workout to gain muscle aknowledge that vegetarianism is a barrier to that goal. We are perfectly aware that our dietary decisions complicate our goals, we just find it to be an acceptable sacrifice.
I was vegan for two months and ended up dropping the diet because I lost a significant amount of strength. I was even taking in soy protein supplements, but it didn’t seem to be sufficient. Now granted there are vegan bodybuilders that do very well, but my guess is that it takes a lot of research and practice to actually make a vegan diet work in that regard.
[quote]storey420 wrote:
ubl0 wrote:
it is enough protein to keep you from dying, that is what protein ‘need’ is. your protein ‘wants’ may be higher if you care about your health, performance, or the way you look.
a lot of people will say lots of things about required intake levels, the truth is most don’t have a clue what they are talking about or have confused the two propostitions above.
flashback (toronto november 2004, Berardi’s seminar):
john: what do you tell clients who are vegetarians?
me: eat meat.
that’s it. nothing more. i won’t work with vegetarians. there is no scientific basis for it (quite the opposite actually) and how do you think it pans out when someone is like: “well i want to succeed, but even though i know it takes 10 hours of work, i am going to do 5 because i believe that i can get the same results.”
the message is eat your fruits and veggies, then eat animal protein WITH EVERY MEAL.
This is idiotic, there are and have been plenty of very strong, built, powerful vegetarians. Yes, most or many vegetarians can be puss-wads that just don’t eat meat but don’t eat very healthy( soy-processed crapola). Equating not eating meat with putting half effort in the gym is lame.
I do eat meat currently so before you start your ad hominem soyboy bullshit you can cancel that shit
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i never said gym, just work in general. i am not against soy, i choose not to eat it due to lack of any long term high consumption in human populations.
the reason i choose meat and animal protein is simply because nothing builds animal protein as well as animal protein. more important though is the fact that it actually improves your health, i am not talking feedlot meat or that salted to hell crap they call lunchmeat.
but back to my comments, i never attacked vegetarians, i simply stated when john put that question to us, i instantly answered “eat meat”. that is my answer. peroid. when someone comes to me, it is my job to give them the best advice, and it is a very few who would get something other than eat meat but i would not be working with these cases since they require someone more specialized than myself.
my clients are athletes and normal healthy people who have no ongoing health issues other than musculo-skeletal (which we use meat to treat along with plenty of fruits and veggies and healthy fats). when someone tells me they want me to help them achieve their goals and then tells me they don’t want to do everything possible i really don’t care to work with them.
as for one’s soyness, that is one’s prerogative. i would not ask one to change it, my advice still remains eat meat, or in lieu of that at least some eggs and Metabolic Drive.
perhaps you should cruise over to wikapedia and look up ad hominem, because besides totally missing the point of my rant, you may have missed the fact that no such attack would be made:
also this page may help you compose your arguments in the future should you wish to discus optimization of dietary protein intake:
if anyone are interested in good info for vegetarians, i would suggest Berardi’s precision nutrition thingy, besides being a higher-rung expert than me, he actually will take money from vegetarians and thus the forums with PN include veggie support - or so all the spams tell me.
[quote]Taran wrote:
I think some of you are getting a little “confused” about why people become vegetarians. Saying things like “there is no scientific basis for vegetarianism” is pointless because the VAST majority of vegetarians become vegetarians for ethical, not health, reasons.
I am a vegetarian and I am involved in vegetarian communities. The few vegetarians I know who workout to gain muscle aknowledge that vegetarianism is a barrier to that goal. We are perfectly aware that our dietary decisions complicate our goals, we just find it to be an acceptable sacrifice.[/quote]
I know of the communities you speak of, but i hate to break it to you, there are actually a lot of people who really believe that it is the healthiest way.
My respect for your choice is trebled by the fact you acknowledge drawbacks, something most vegetarians cannot do.
By the way this guy is vegan:
[quote]Franck wrote:
By the way this guy is vegan:
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And these guys aren’t
[quote]friedrice683 wrote:
How much protein would someone actually need to maintain muscle mass on a maintenance diet? I heard that it is roughly 1g per KG of mass right?
Also, would a simple scoop of whey protein ensure sufficient protein intake during the day given that I eat plenty of whole grains, 2-3 servings of dairy a day and 1-2 servings of nuts a day?[/quote]
It depends on the combination of grains and vegetables you eat during the day, because that little bit of dairy and nuts isn’t going to do the job by itself. Since grains and vegetables don’t contain all the amino acids our body needs, you need to mix and match them.
Check out this guy’s site. He’s a vegan and wrote a couple articles on building muscle while sticking to that lifestyle:
[quote]ubl0 wrote:
I know of the communities you speak of, but i hate to break it to you, there are actually a lot of people who really believe that it is the healthiest way.
My respect for your choice is trebled by the fact you acknowledge drawbacks, something most vegetarians cannot do.[/quote]
Oh, I totally agree that most vegetarians think it is the healthiest choice. What I was saying is that most vegetarians make the decision based on ethics and they perceive health as more of a side effect.
If the vegetarian community was concerned enough with health/fitness to give up meat they would prbly get off their collective ass more often.
Just as a side question, where in BC are you?
You can be vegetarian and be successful at putting on muscle, but it’s going to be REALLY HARD. You still need to get a MINIMUM of 1g of protein per pound of bodyweight, and they MUST be complete proteins. No vegetable has complete protein, so you MUST learn how food combinations work, and with the low protein density in most plant products you’re either going to be taking a ton of supplements or stuffing your face almost continuously.
It also depends on what kind of vegetarian you are. Is it ok to eat dairy, eggs, or fish? That would make things A LOT easier.
People are omnivores, otherwise we wouldn’t have canine teeth for tearing meat, trying to avoid eating a portion of your natural food supply is obviously going to cause some problems.
[quote]blue9steel wrote:
You can be vegetarian and be successful at putting on muscle, but it’s going to be REALLY HARD. You still need to get a MINIMUM of 1g of protein per pound of bodyweight, and they MUST be complete proteins. No vegetable has complete protein, so you MUST learn how food combinations work, and with the low protein density in most plant products you’re either going to be taking a ton of supplements or stuffing your face almost continuously.
It also depends on what kind of vegetarian you are. Is it ok to eat dairy, eggs, or fish? That would make things A LOT easier.
People are omnivores, otherwise we wouldn’t have canine teeth for tearing meat, trying to avoid eating a portion of your natural food supply is obviously going to cause some problems.[/quote]
I don’t know how you dug this thread out and I REALLY don’t know how I got notified on it, but this is a good post.