I’m really hoping someone can help me here, or point me in the right direction. I really want to do the V-Diet. I work 12 hour days 5-6 days a week and they are super hectic. From the time I get there at 6:15 am. Until the time I leave. Usually at 6 pm. I’m rockin’. Here’s my problem. I want to take protein shakes with me but I really do not have the time to mix them while I’m there. I know, I know, it only takes a couple of minutes. I’m not kidding guys. I’m constantly on the move. If one of my employees doesn’t ask me if I want something to eat I’ll go regularly all day without eating. I want to take the Grow! shakes with me, but I’ve heard that the protein will degrade while sitting there. Also If I shake them I’m not exactly certain how the flaxseeds will taste. Obviously not one of my main concerns. REALLY concerned about the protein. I do not want to waste money on protein only to be pissing away half of it.
I don’t know for sure if the protein will break down or not. Just get some shaker bottles (or empty water bottles, tupperware, etc) and measure in a couple of scoops of Grow! ahead of time before you go to work. Then, when it’s time, grab one of bottles, add water and shake. That should take about 20 seconds. You must have time to get a glass of water?
I know whey hydrolysates break down, not so sure about micellar casein and those type of proteins. I’d just put em’ in a bottle and throw water in there and shake personally. After 8 hours or so I’m not sure I’m wanted a semi-warm protein shake I’d been carrying around.
Personally, I make mine when I get ready in the morning and it is fine. I mix vanilla whey protein with orange juice and it is great. I used to do the 12 hour days too and I just made 2 in the morning and was fine.
[quote]Warriorsage wrote:
Hey guys!
I’m really hoping someone can help me here, or point me in the right direction. I really want to do the V-Diet. I work 12 hour days 5-6 days a week and they are super hectic. From the time I get there at 6:15 am. Until the time I leave. Usually at 6 pm. I’m rockin’. Here’s my problem. I want to take protein shakes with me but I really do not have the time to mix them while I’m there. I know, I know, it only takes a couple of minutes. I’m not kidding guys. I’m constantly on the move. If one of my employees doesn’t ask me if I want something to eat I’ll go regularly all day without eating. I want to take the Grow! shakes with me, but I’ve heard that the protein will degrade while sitting there. Also If I shake them I’m not exactly certain how the flaxseeds will taste. Obviously not one of my main concerns. REALLY concerned about the protein. I do not want to waste money on protein only to be pissing away half of it.
Thanks guys. I appreciate the feedback. And yes I do have time to get a glass of water. I should have been more precise. The reason I would want to blend and store them is because I prefer them thick and cold. However, I can do without if it’s going to cause the shake to be sub par.
I do have a refrigerator at work, so blending and storing is easy.
The point about hydrolysates is interesting and what I had heard before. Well, I would prefer that my protein source be solid and high performance, so I guess until or unless I hear differently I’ll just shake it and deal with the thinness.
Perhaps Dr. Berardi, CW or Mr. Shugart is out there and would be so kind to give me some feedback.
Grow! bars are a great alternative, except for the fact that I need to get 300 grams of protein a day. That would be 15 bars a day. I’m sure the sales department of Biotest would love me! I’m not so sure my budget would.
It would be kind of nice to hear an actual scientificly sound response to the question, rather than “what people do”, which really isn’t helpful at all if it’s the wrong thing to do.
JB, Cy, Tim, LL, DB? Anyone with some scientific backup wanna comment on the breakdown over time of the proteins, peptides, etc. when these powders are mixed into liquids?
Are the proteins in milk degrading in your fridge right now?
Well, guess where whey powder comes from…
I realize there may be some changes taking place, but it isn’t like the protein becomes unavailable or anything. Please don’t sweat such minimal minutia.
And yes, you can cook protein and still benefit from it. I don’t think we need to beseech the PhD’s to help us figure out that mixing and cooking are acceptable practices.
What I did was buy bottled water, throw out the water, then when the bottle was dry, toss in the flax and Low-Carb Grow! At work I’d use the water fountain to fill up with nice cold water. The flax is fine and the amount of water used controls the thickness.
[quote]vroom wrote:
This stuff has been asked and answered before.
Are the proteins in milk degrading in your fridge right now?
Well, guess where whey powder comes from…
I realize there may be some changes taking place, but it isn’t like the protein becomes unavailable or anything. Please don’t sweat such minimal minutia.
And yes, you can cook protein and still benefit from it. I don’t think we need to beseech the PhD’s to help us figure out that mixing and cooking are acceptable practices.
What I did was buy bottled water, throw out the water, then when the bottle was dry, toss in the flax and Low-Carb Grow! At work I’d use the water fountain to fill up with nice cold water. The flax is fine and the amount of water used controls the thickness.[/quote]
Vroom,
While I appreciate the apparent simplicity of the question, and the fact that it may have been asked and answered before (I could not find it in the archives), it is not minutia to me. Taking your example of milk in the fridge… No it’s not degrading while sitting in the fridge at least it’s not immediately noticable. However if you let it sit there long enough it becomes something entirely different. Protein powders however have already gone through an incredible amount of processing and are not whole foods. If you let a shake sit in the fridge for any amount of time it begins to separate to the point that you must shake it back up to reconstitute into something that is palatable. Now this may be minutia to you, but I work very, very hard for my money and I believe in getting as much as humanly possible for it. Therefor my question stands. Does the protein breakdown? And if so, how quickly? I don’t want to think I’m ingesting 40 grams of protein every three hours, when I’m only getting 20 to 30.
As I understood it. Hydrolysates degrade quickly enough to make it worthwhile to mix it right before you goto work out. Other protein shakes I’d assume should just be done the same day. I wouldn’t prepare a week’s worth all at once.
I can see where you are coming from, but honestly, whether or not you are out 10g of protein in your calculations in a day should not be significant in your progress or lack of it.
Look into the chemistry of milk fermentation and figure out what it would mean for 1/3 of the protein to be chemically converted by bacteria into alternative materials.
[ note: a shake seperating and requiring agitation again is not the same ]
Also, proteins can be broken down into alternate forms and still provide the same nutrients to the body, as we ourselves break them down when we digest them.
Generally, unless you are planning on true long term storage of materials for a significant portion of your diet, this is really minutia. Either mix and eat on the spot or mix ahead of time and don’t worry about it.
