I was watching Pride last night on Fox sports. They showed a recent fight between Ken Shamrock and some other guy. Shamrock was doing fine then had his corner throw in the towel. What the hell was that about? Anyone see this?
[quote]nolecat wrote:
I was watching Pride last night on Fox sports. They showed a recent fight between Ken Shamrock and some other guy. Shamrock was doing fine then had his corner throw in the towel. What the hell was that about? Anyone see this?[/quote]
I think he was having heart trouble.
[quote]nolecat wrote:
I was watching Pride last night on Fox sports. They showed a recent fight between Ken Shamrock and some other guy. Shamrock was doing fine then had his corner throw in the towel. What the hell was that about? Anyone see this?[/quote]
That was from 2000 against Fujita. Not quite recent. That fight is the origin of the infamous, “Petey, my heart!”
While I agree that the show format is lackluster this year, most’ve the fights have been pretty entertaining when compared to last season’s. They could seriously cut it down to half an hour with 5 minutes of Tito and Ken bitching at each other, then another 5 minutes of the fighters bitching about something, then 10 minutes of commercials and ten minutes of fighting.
I disagree with some who have said the past seasons were better because they had those challenges.
I for one was glad as hell when I heard they got rid of the challenges. I mean, I don’t need to see a bunch of grown men trying to take the other guys’ socks off, or a small sweaty guy crawling around a bigger guy to see how many times he can…no thanks.
[quote]Djwlfpack wrote:
I think the Mike Nickels-Matt Hamill fight in 2 weeks will be really good. There’s an awesome article on Nickels at www.westword.com.
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Here is the direct link to this:
http://www.westword.com/Issues/2006-05-11/news/feature.html
I know I mentioned this earlier in this thread, Mike is my tattoo artist. I am super stoked to see how this all plays out.
Either way, the dude does incredible work. Don’t take what the art on his body looks like as any indication of his talents. He doesn’t do his own, obviously.
[quote]lostinthought wrote:
or a small sweaty guy crawling around a bigger guy to see how many times he can…no thanks. [/quote]
I didn’t see the challenge in question, but it sounds like it’s a legitimate training drill wherein you shift positions from sidemount, to mount to sidemount (and possibly to kesa gatame/scarf hold/top side) as many times as possible.
Then again, I didn’t see it.
I did, however, catch the rerun last night and, wow. Everything the first season with the Griffin/Bonnar match did to raise awareness and show people exactly what goes into making an MMA fighter seems to have been defeated in this series - kinder, gentler Ken (I wonder what Vernon’s doing with the new crop of guys at the Lion’s Den - if anyone saw that “admissions” video, it was brutal!), an entire show about how no contact is allowed with the outside world before sensitive guy gets that letter and cries (it was brilliant watching him try to hide how long he had been dating her from Dana and the guys because he knew they’d make fun of him), then the skinny dude acting as valet for the other guy and half the house sitting around whining about the other half…
I can see this going nowhere good.
I agree with the sentiments that Season 1 was by far the best.
From an amatuer MMA practitioner’s POV, season 1 was great to me because you had 2 of the classiest, well-spoken, well-respected guys in UFC history as coaches. You could tell, esp. Randy, that they genuinely cared about the fighters. The training was something new and interesting, even the challenges, and the fact they actually had fights to determine winners was great.
From an ex-pro wrestler’s point of view, the show was filled with amazing “heel” and “face” performances/developments.
Leben changed from the immature, weirdo punk into a sympathetic guy when it was revealed exactly why he was the way he was, b/c of family problems growing up.
That “fatherless bastard” was one of the best examples ever of what wrestlers call a “double turn.” One guy becomes “bad” the other becomes likeable.
Leben went from an annoying punk into an extremely sympathetic figure, who cried his eyes out and revealed all the pain he had inside. The fact that he is a good fighter made it OK that he cried.
Bobby Southworth, who was always unlikeable, became a huge a**hole with his vicious comments and actions.
Koscheck was revealed to be what he always was, the popular cocky trash-talking talented athlete we all hated in HS.
Then you had the weirdo Diego, who I absolutely despise btw, with his yoga and exaggerated religious beliefs.
You had Forrest, providing comedic relief.
Then the awesome Griffin-Bonnar fight to cap it all off.
Guys, face it, Season 1 will be impossible to match. You can’t replicate that cast of characters. Pro wrestling companies spend years and lots of $ to create those kinds of athletes.
Season 2 was boring. Plain and simple.
This season is a bit more interesting than 2 because of Tito-Ken, Matt and Michael Bisping, who has a bright future in either UFC or pro wrestling if MMA doesn’t work out for him.
Agree/disagree with my thoughts on Season 1?
[quote]Sonny S wrote:
This season is a bit more interesting than 2 because of Tito-Ken, Matt and Michael Bisping, who has a bright future in either UFC or pro wrestling if MMA doesn’t work out for him.
Agree/disagree with my thoughts on Season 1?[/quote]
UFC is MMA mate.
This season is miles better than last.
I agree with alot of what has been written here but you know what surprises me the most? The lack of mental toughness exhibited by most these guys - not just this season. And the same holds true in life in other pursuits - I just don’t notice it as much b/c I’m not watching it on TV.
You can have all the talent, athletic or otherwise, in the world but if you lack mental toughness, your talent is worthless. Most of these guys don’t have an ounce of mental toughness and although Shamrock might not be a great coach, he might just be reacting to that lack of toughness and just might not WANT to work with these guys. I’m no Shamrock fan, but the guy is mentally tough. And guys that share that mental toughness can barely tolerate another man that doesn’t. I groan throughout the show watching these guys piss and moan and bitch like little girls. My GF could tell you some stories.
Yes, Noah exhibited the epitome of mental weakness but let me tell you, there are a few more in that house that aren’t much mentally tougher.
Someone made the comment that the dialogue was boring - “I’m gonna kick his ass”, bla bla bla. I see that behavior for what it is; a bunch of insecure “men” and false bravado…only be virtue of their relative skill are they little more than a bunch of frat boys sitting around getting drunk asking who can curl more and wondering who can kick who’s ass. They are weak thru and thru. Anyone without a physical disability can learn and train to fight. What makes a good fighter, or any other athlete or successful person for that matter, is mental toughness. And I don’t know if this season is worse than the others in this regard b/c I’m watching it now, but mental toughness is seriously lacking in that house.
Anyway, that’s my rant.
[quote]Sonny S wrote:
You can’t replicate that cast of characters. Pro wrestling companies spend years and lots of $ to create those kinds of athletes.
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Eh, I dunno, MTV seems to do it every season with the real world. It’s not hard to find two people whose personalities wont mesh. They did it for season one, I htink they could do it again. And while they certainly shouldnt sacrifice the talent level to find “interesting” characters, I dont think they would have to. Hell, Joe Rogan even pointed out once “I think having an unhappy childhood is a prerequisite for being an ultimate fighter”
Well, that fight just proves what a crock the ufc’s scoring rules are. Dont get me worng, I dont think tait should’ve won, but when EVERYBODY IN THE FREAKING BUILDING thinks a fight is a tie, and then every single one of those incompetent louts score a winner, jeez, what a crock. How could one judge COMPLETELY disagree with the other two? There has got to be NO objective criteria. This is worse than the Griffin-Ortiz judge who scored all 3 rounds for tito. mind boggling.
still tho, nice that taits gone
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still tho, nice that taits gone[/quote]
Agreed, although I think he might have had the slightest edge in the fight, being that he came very close to ending the fight a couple times, yet was never in danger of being knocked out himself.
Tait was also surprisingly gracious with the loss, I expected more shit from him during his departure. Either way, I’ll enjoy the house more with him not there.
I look forward to next week’s fight…
I don’t understand how all three judges had it 20-18.
You would think at least one of them would have had it 19-19.
If this isnt a joke, I actually thought that at first. Then I realized that in a two round fight, they each would have to have had a score of 9.5. It was won of those wow I’m an idiot moments.
[quote]Hardcoremetal187 wrote:
If this isnt a joke, I actually thought that at first. Then I realized that in a two round fight, they each would have to have had a score of 9.5. It was won of those wow I’m an idiot moments.[/quote]
What? I’m not following you, but I wasn’t joking.
Two round fight, 10 points to the winner of the round, 9 points to the loser of the round.
20-18 means the judge saw one guy win both rounds(10+10 for the winner, 9+9 for the loser).
19-19 means the judge saw each guy win one round (10+9 for the first guy, 9+10 for the second guy).
[quote]KBCThird wrote:
Well, that fight just proves what a crock the ufc’s scoring rules are. Dont get me worng, I dont think tait should’ve won, but when EVERYBODY IN THE FREAKING BUILDING thinks a fight is a tie, and then every single one of those incompetent louts score a winner, jeez, what a crock. How could one judge COMPLETELY disagree with the other two? There has got to be NO objective criteria. This is worse than the Griffin-Ortiz judge who scored all 3 rounds for tito. mind boggling.
still tho, nice that taits gone[/quote]
Dude, no different from the controversy about boxing scoring. Two different judges often see the same fight and score it two entirely different ways. It’s the nature of judging and UFC will not be exempt from this issue. It will not go away and it’s not a UFC issue - it’s a judging issue. And judging is “judgment”…and you cannot codify judgment.
Definetely was a draw in my book, but hey, that’s the way it goes.
Props to Tait for not throwing a big shit fit about a controversial decision. He was disappointed, as he should have been, but didn’t cry and storm out or anything.
In the next two weeks we can finally see how the early favorites Matt and Ed will do. Should be fun.
that was a rip . we had a great set up for some amped-up round 3 action and they pull the plug cause some judge wants to make his presence known ? frickn ripped-off by that shit, even more since there wasn’t a fight last week. what the fuck ? this show is supposedly about fighting so why are they turning it into the real world ? the more they take the fighting out the more the show frickn sucks! they should just forget about all the gay time in the house altogether and analyze the training/fights more.
[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
KBCThird wrote:
Well, that fight just proves what a crock the ufc’s scoring rules are. Dont get me worng, I dont think tait should’ve won, but when EVERYBODY IN THE FREAKING BUILDING thinks a fight is a tie, and then every single one of those incompetent louts score a winner, jeez, what a crock. How could one judge COMPLETELY disagree with the other two? There has got to be NO objective criteria. This is worse than the Griffin-Ortiz judge who scored all 3 rounds for tito. mind boggling.
still tho, nice that taits gone
Dude, no different from the controversy about boxing scoring. Two different judges often see the same fight and score it two entirely different ways. It’s the nature of judging and UFC will not be exempt from this issue. It will not go away and it’s not a UFC issue - it’s a judging issue. And judging is “judgment”…and you cannot codify judgment.
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Yeah, I dont disagree with that. It’s just that mma is really the only “judged” sport that I follow. I’m not saying it isnt a problem in boxing, or figure skating or any other number of competitions (hell, even non-judging officials, ie refs, will blow a call and affect the outcome of a contest) I’m just complaining about this example in particular