Sorry, quoted the wrong post.
My “get squattin” comment was directed at port who apparently knows everything about getting big legs without having actually had big legs.
No biggy Stronghold. I’m not even juicing but I still flipped out.
[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
north dakota wrote:
I have a really messed up back from football injuries and not healing them properly, and the specialists said I should have rods put in my spine. After that I squatted 465 a year later at 18. I don’t think it’s your back that’s the problem.
You didn’t squat 465…nice trying to get cool points though.[/quote]
Alright bud. Also cleaned 290 can get a link to school website for record if you’d like.
[quote]zephead4747 wrote:
waylanderxx wrote:
north dakota wrote:
I have a really messed up back from football injuries and not healing them properly, and the specialists said I should have rods put in my spine. After that I squatted 465 a year later at 18. I don’t think it’s your back that’s the problem.
You didn’t squat 465…nice trying to get cool points though.
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Also had kid that was 180lbs and put up just under 500. Playing D1 football at NDSU. Josh Horner. Just cause you couldn’t doesn’t mean others didn’t accomplish it chicken legs. Train year around 5-6 days a week for 3 years and maybe you could have done it at 18 instead of trying to mock others who did accomplish something.
Josh Tanata. Cleaned “287” according to 1rm calculator cause they didn’t want us doing 1 rep maxes. School board or some shit… Cleaned 290 and squated 465 3 days before fall camp, not on list because I did it the week after our summer training program ended but as you can see Austen Richard and myself went hand in hand.
No it wasn’t ass to grass, if you’re uneducated and like putting a lot more stress on your knees and lower back so you can say “ass to grass” like some cool teenager, good for you. I stop when my lower back starts rounding cause I don’t need any more damage.
[quote]north dakota wrote:
zephead4747 wrote:
waylanderxx wrote:
north dakota wrote:
I have a really messed up back from football injuries and not healing them properly, and the specialists said I should have rods put in my spine. After that I squatted 465 a year later at 18. I don’t think it’s your back that’s the problem.
You didn’t squat 465…nice trying to get cool points though.
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Also had kid that was 180lbs and put up just under 500. Playing D1 football at NDSU. Josh Horner. Just cause you couldn’t doesn’t mean others didn’t accomplish it chicken legs. [/quote]
And I deadlifted over 1000 lbs. My name is Andy Bolton, I can post a link if you like.
I also know this guy, his name is Ronnie Coleman, he’s 8x Mr. Olympia, just because you couldn’t accomplish it doesn’t mean others cant, Mr. 11 inch biceps.
Don’t talk trash to someone so much bigger than you, it just makes you look stupid, almost as stupid as making up squat numbers.
[quote]north dakota wrote:
zephead4747 wrote:
waylanderxx wrote:
north dakota wrote:
I have a really messed up back from football injuries and not healing them properly, and the specialists said I should have rods put in my spine. After that I squatted 465 a year later at 18. I don’t think it’s your back that’s the problem.
You didn’t squat 465…nice trying to get cool points though.
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Also had kid that was 180lbs and put up just under 500. Playing D1 football at NDSU. Josh Horner. Just cause you couldn’t doesn’t mean others didn’t accomplish it chicken legs. Train year around 5-6 days a week for 3 years and maybe you could have done it at 18 instead of trying to mock others who did accomplish something.
Josh Tanata. Cleaned “287” according to 1rm calculator cause they didn’t want us doing 1 rep maxes. School board or some shit… Cleaned 290 and squated 465 3 days before fall camp, not on list because I did it the week after our summer training program ended but as you can see Austen Richard and myself went hand in hand.
No it wasn’t ass to grass, if you’re uneducated and like putting a lot more stress on your knees and lower back so you can say “ass to grass” like some cool teenager, good for you. I stop when my lower back starts rounding cause I don’t need any more damage.
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LOL so you “cleaned” 290 according to a calculator…and you did a half squat…b/c only uneducated teenagers go parallel or lower. I’m impressed.
my form tends to suffer on my 365 set, I try to just have someone there to tell me when I’m doing that and then correct it, though it seems like you have a million more issues, id say keep working at it because you wont be satisfied with “alternatives”
stronghold, i dont know what you have against me, and im not an anti squat guy, squats may work great for him later, but he should not be doing them now if they are causing him that type of pain, from the info hes given it sounds like his body is giving a signal something is wrong, he needs to get hands on coaching for the lift from someone if he really wants to squat,
other than that he should stick with other stuff for now at least, i have neglected my legs quite a bit but they are growing more without squats than they ever did with them, i started with chicken legs but they are progressing, i was providing the op with some advice on back pain from back squats from people who have worked with a ton of lifters and found front squats better for alleviating back pain, and yes the squat is a naturl movement for the body but it is no longer natural when you throw a heavy weight accross your spine,
it is more natural to have a weight in the front when you squat because it doesnt cause the forward lean of a back squat, if you lean forward you drop the weight, maybe this will teach him to stay more upright when he starts to squat, i dont have anything against squats, but they are not essential for leg growth,
i also dont have anything against bg being a powerlifter but she was quick to attack my advice which i tried to back up with some info from this site, and if the op is not one then he can get results from other exercises, and since the op is having some problems i was trying to give him some help, he obviously doesnt have to listen to me, but there is no reason for you to talk down to me, it doesnt make your advice any better,
there isnt an exercise around that you have to do to get results, all im trying to do is provide the op with some advice, if something is hurting him the way he says it is, and he can get results without it, then he should avoid that exercise at least until he can get some hands on coaching from some one who has dealt with those problems,
the worst thing that could happen is him trying to squat more and get injured, which is why i told him to stop squatting and find alternatives, a messed up back will really negatively impact his progress, more so than avoiding squats ever would, and that doesnt mean forever, but it does mean that he might be better off avoiding them for now at least
[quote]north dakota wrote:
No it wasn’t ass to grass, if you’re uneducated and like putting a lot more stress on your knees and lower back so you can say “ass to grass” like some cool teenager, good for you. I stop when my lower back starts rounding cause I don’t need any more damage.
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Really? If you had done any reading you would have seen a few authors on here state there is less not increased knee stress squatting a full rom.
What other exercise does a partial ROM save the joints stress?
Back issues from ATG squats shows you have mobility issues.
[quote]port81 wrote:
i have neglected my legs quite a bit but they are growing more without squats than they ever did with them, i started with chicken legs but they are progressing, [/quote]
So, I got back to see the damage in this thread since yesterday. I notice here you say your legs are “progressing” now, having started with chicken legs. Tell me this, If your legs are “growing more without squats” than with them, at what stage in your “progression” did you happen to put up this number and decide back squats were not for you?
[quote]port81 wrote:
the most ive ever squatted was 455, i used to do sets of 6 with 405[/quote]
Anybody who has neglected their legs “quite a bit” hasn’t put up that kind of weight.
cueball
[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
north dakota wrote:
zephead4747 wrote:
waylanderxx wrote:
north dakota wrote:
I have a really messed up back from football injuries and not healing them properly, and the specialists said I should have rods put in my spine. After that I squatted 465 a year later at 18. I don’t think it’s your back that’s the problem.
You didn’t squat 465…nice trying to get cool points though.
x2
Also had kid that was 180lbs and put up just under 500. Playing D1 football at NDSU. Josh Horner. Just cause you couldn’t doesn’t mean others didn’t accomplish it chicken legs. Train year around 5-6 days a week for 3 years and maybe you could have done it at 18 instead of trying to mock others who did accomplish something.
Josh Tanata. Cleaned “287” according to 1rm calculator cause they didn’t want us doing 1 rep maxes. School board or some shit… Cleaned 290 and squated 465 3 days before fall camp, not on list because I did it the week after our summer training program ended but as you can see Austen Richard and myself went hand in hand.
No it wasn’t ass to grass, if you’re uneducated and like putting a lot more stress on your knees and lower back so you can say “ass to grass” like some cool teenager, good for you. I stop when my lower back starts rounding cause I don’t need any more damage.
LOL so you “cleaned” 290 according to a calculator…and you did a half squat…b/c only uneducated teenagers go parallel or lower. I’m impressed.
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Your just a jealous fat fuck. Since when is there something wrong with parreallel squating 465 when you’re 18? Nice, there isn’t…
[quote]port81 wrote:
…i also dont have anything against bg being a powerlifter but she was quick to attack my advice which i tried to back up with some info from this site, and if the op is not one then he can get results from other exercises, and since the op is having some problems i was trying to give him some help, he obviously doesnt have to listen to me, but there is no reason for you to talk down to me, it doesnt make your advice any better…[/quote]
The problem both of us had with your suggestion to stop squatting was not because there is something wrong with front squats. From a bodybuilding perspective, they are a great exercise for mass. And I certainly wouldn’t argue that they could be easier on ones back.
The problem I had was that you seem to be looking at the front squat as the solution to the problem when his long list of issues point to problems with poor form, weakness, imbalances, lack of mobility and activation. Front squats will not fix those.
He mentioned that he was very quad dominant and he doesn’t feel much in his glutes/hams. If his glutes aren’t firing, he needs to do activation work.
He said that he is leaning forward a lot. That sounds like he might need to work on “core strength” or play around with where he holds the bar on his back.
He might be better off front squatting, but before he moves on to that, he needs to figure out what is causing all these problems. He’s not going to do very well with ATG front squats if he lacks ankle mobility, his glutes aren’t firing, he isn’t working to fix the quad dominance, etc etc.
OP - If you are having issues with your spine hurting, try dropping the bar lower on your back. Sounds like you might be holding the bar pretty high on your traps. By dropping the bar further down your back, it alleviates some of that “spinal loading” and also helps maintain your form.
Like Stronghold & buckeye girl are saying, don’t give up on back squats because you suck at them. Why is it powerlifters are squatting over half a ton without “spinal loading” issues but guys who only squat half that and less, are complaining about their spines hurting? How does one know if their spine hurts anyways? Where was I? Oh yeah, figure out how to squat properly and your spine won’t hurt anymore.
[quote]buckeye girl wrote:
port81 wrote:
…i also dont have anything against bg being a powerlifter but she was quick to attack my advice which i tried to back up with some info from this site, and if the op is not one then he can get results from other exercises, and since the op is having some problems i was trying to give him some help, he obviously doesnt have to listen to me, but there is no reason for you to talk down to me, it doesnt make your advice any better…
The problem both of us had with your suggestion to stop squatting was not because there is something wrong with front squats. From a bodybuilding perspective, they are a great exercise for mass. And I certainly wouldn’t argue that they could be easier on ones back.
The problem I had was that you seem to be looking at the front squat as the solution to the problem when his long list of issues point to problems with poor form, weakness, imbalances, lack of mobility and activation. Front squats will not fix those.
He mentioned that he was very quad dominant and he doesn’t feel much in his glutes/hams. If his glutes aren’t firing, he needs to do activation work.
He said that he is leaning forward a lot. That sounds like he might need to work on “core strength” or play around with where he holds the bar on his back.
He might be better off front squatting, but before he moves on to that, he needs to figure out what is causing all these problems. He’s not going to do very well with ATG front squats if he lacks ankle mobility, his glutes aren’t firing, he isn’t working to fix the quad dominance, etc etc.
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But, but, but, Mike Boyle says to front squat!
Like someone else suggested post a video. You may not have the ideal structure for squatting but a variation in your set up could go a long way in helping correct the problem. A video could help us see what is going on.
For example I have what some people call “T-Rex” arms. When standing my arms are closer to my hips than my knees meaning I don’t have the ideal structure to be a good deadlifter. In order to pull conventional I used to have to get down into almost squat depth and used to have trouble pulling 405(needed chalk and over/under grip), and I screwed up my back alot I almost swore off deadlifts for good.
Now after some analysis I totally changed my setup to fit my structure, my hips are higher, my back is much flatter, I can easily pull 405 without chalk(still need chalk for the heavier stuff), can use a double overhand grip now, and I eliminated my back pain. So what was my mistake, I tried to setup my form like the pictures and videos I saw of other deadlifters without talking my body structure into account.
Sorry for the long winded example but my point is to post a vid so we can see exactly what is going on. You may have to just start back at bar weight till your form improves or you may just need a minor form adjustment
[quote]north dakota wrote:
Your just a jealous fat fuck. Since when is there something wrong with parreallel squating 465 when you’re 18? Nice, there isn’t…[/quote]
Awww here come the fat comments…my abs are better than yours and I’m at least 80 lbs heavier. Not my fault you didn’t even go parallel on your squat, or the fact that you got credit for something you didn’t even do aka the calculator.
The moral of this story is, when you are new, don’t go throwing around numbers like you are going to impress someone. We don’t care. Having a picture of, what looks like, a 15 year old kid in your avatar, and then acting like a bad ass doesn’t fly here.
so wipe the tears away and move on.
[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
north dakota wrote:
Your just a jealous fat fuck. Since when is there something wrong with parreallel squating 465 when you’re 18? Nice, there isn’t…
Awww here come the fat comments…my abs are better than yours and I’m at least 80 lbs heavier. Not my fault you didn’t even go parallel on your squat, or the fact that you got credit for something you didn’t even do aka the calculator.
The moral of this story is, when you are new, don’t go throwing around numbers like you are going to impress someone. We don’t care. Having a picture of, what looks like, a 15 year old kid in your avatar, and then acting like a bad ass doesn’t fly here.
so wipe the tears away and move on.[/quote]
K buddy. Sorry I’m not shaped like an upright turtle, but thats not my goal, I play sports which include moving around. Don’t know many 200lbs 15 years olds. The 465 was actual weight and I went parallel.
I could care less about trying to impress anyone on this sight. Fuck you all, I put up numbers I’ve done and will tell you the form I used. Nobody gives a shit about you or your size, it’s not hard to eat 7000 calories a day and gain weight, not my goal so good for you. Notice nobody else is as worried about other peoples numbers? Maybe cause they aren’t as insecure as some 15 year old chick like you obviously are, making the most important part of your day attacking someones accomplishment cause it makes you feel special and cool. I was telling him the numbers for the fact that he can squat a lot and get over the back/leg problems if he wants, not to impress him or anyone. I don’t think 465 is that great when people are doing well over 1000lbs.
So go put a new tampon in and drink another mass gainer shake, maybe if you gain another 20 pounds your parents will finally love you and a girl will talk to you.
I’m not disagreeing with anyone in particular, and I’ve read most all responses on this thread. This is just my opinion.
Back squatting is hard. It’s hard to get the form down, to activate all of the muscles, etc.
I am just not a fan of throwing away the back squat as the primary lower body movement absent exceptional circumstances like preexisting medical conditions or something clearly structural like being 7 feet tall or something.
I am 6’2" and I do believe that my long torso has made getting the form down and upping the weight harder for me. I’ve worked on my flexibility (hips, legs, ankles, etc.) and spent a lot of time in the 3rd world squat position. I do it when I’m alone in the elevator, in the shower, etc.
I want to be big and strong. I think that you should set a moderate goal of squatting 315x2-3 at least (or 225 x10) or something fully ATG with good form before moving on to other exercises. At a minimum, something like that should be achieved before rationalizing back squats out of your program. Maybe I’m romanticizing the squat, but I think the “big” movements should be worked on before transitioning to other movements that focus solely on size. Work up to a 400+ lb front squat from there if you want. But really, how are you going to have a big front squat with a somewhat similar back squat. The form issue is there, but if you are tight, have shitty form, and weak stabilizer muscles simply switching to hack squat or front squat isn’t going to make that go away.
So, I say focus on mobility, form, flexibility, etc. and reach a modest benchmark on the squat before abandoning it. It’s not necessary to do it this way, but I really don’t see how switching to the front squat will truly solve your problems. The back squat requires more out of you, and for most people the front squat only “feels” easier because they’ve mastered the back squat.
[quote]buckeye girl wrote:
port81 wrote:
…i also dont have anything against bg being a powerlifter but she was quick to attack my advice which i tried to back up with some info from this site, and if the op is not one then he can get results from other exercises, and since the op is having some problems i was trying to give him some help, he obviously doesnt have to listen to me, but there is no reason for you to talk down to me, it doesnt make your advice any better…
The problem both of us had with your suggestion to stop squatting was not because there is something wrong with front squats. From a bodybuilding perspective, they are a great exercise for mass. And I certainly wouldn’t argue that they could be easier on ones back.
The problem I had was that you seem to be looking at the front squat as the solution to the problem when his long list of issues point to problems with poor form, weakness, imbalances, lack of mobility and activation. Front squats will not fix those.
He mentioned that he was very quad dominant and he doesn’t feel much in his glutes/hams. If his glutes aren’t firing, he needs to do activation work.
He said that he is leaning forward a lot. That sounds like he might need to work on “core strength” or play around with where he holds the bar on his back.
He might be better off front squatting, but before he moves on to that, he needs to figure out what is causing all these problems. He’s not going to do very well with ATG front squats if he lacks ankle mobility, his glutes aren’t firing, he isn’t working to fix the quad dominance, etc etc.
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ITS HIS APPENDIX!
[quote]Stronghold wrote:
buckeye girl wrote:
port81 wrote:
…i also dont have anything against bg being a powerlifter but she was quick to attack my advice which i tried to back up with some info from this site, and if the op is not one then he can get results from other exercises, and since the op is having some problems i was trying to give him some help, he obviously doesnt have to listen to me, but there is no reason for you to talk down to me, it doesnt make your advice any better…
The problem both of us had with your suggestion to stop squatting was not because there is something wrong with front squats. From a bodybuilding perspective, they are a great exercise for mass. And I certainly wouldn’t argue that they could be easier on ones back.
The problem I had was that you seem to be looking at the front squat as the solution to the problem when his long list of issues point to problems with poor form, weakness, imbalances, lack of mobility and activation. Front squats will not fix those.
He mentioned that he was very quad dominant and he doesn’t feel much in his glutes/hams. If his glutes aren’t firing, he needs to do activation work.
He said that he is leaning forward a lot. That sounds like he might need to work on “core strength” or play around with where he holds the bar on his back.
He might be better off front squatting, but before he moves on to that, he needs to figure out what is causing all these problems. He’s not going to do very well with ATG front squats if he lacks ankle mobility, his glutes aren’t firing, he isn’t working to fix the quad dominance, etc etc.
ITS HIS APPENDIX![/quote]
Well, if it is inflamed it could through off his center of gravity!