[quote]apwsearch wrote:
analog_kid wrote:
Fuck Mazz and the judges. How do you give a guy a W when he essentially beat his opponent with an illegal move? Using that logic, Yves should have just stopped the fight when CB kneed Jesse and given CB the win. WTF?
I think the bottom line is, even though it was a shitty deal, you can’t undo a call.
It appeared to me Mazz was unaware of the eye poke until after he called it. Hell, Burns did a good job of looking confused.
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If a fight is ended on what could be an illegal blow, the commission can review the tape and overturn the referee’s decision. The ref can’t be expected to see everything going on. They use this all the time in boxing to determine if cuts were caused by a punch or headbutt between rounds. Or back in the Pride days, which are something else entirely different because of their lack of a commission (but still relevant as to demonstrating the system in use), they used it to rule Fedor-Nog II a no contest when they saw the fight ending cut was caused by an accidental headbutt in the replay.
I’m not sure of NSAC’s particular rules on this for MMA, however. But my thinking is there is still a chance for Johnson to appeal and get a no contest. I am just highly confused as to why this was not looked at during the event.
[quote]Donut62 wrote:
If a fight is ended on what could be an illegal blow, the commission can review the tape and overturn the referee’s decision. The ref can’t be expected to see everything going on. They use this all the time in boxing to determine if cuts were caused by a punch or headbutt between rounds. Or back in the Pride days, which are something else entirely different because of their lack of a commission (but still relevant as to demonstrating the system in use), they used it to rule Fedor-Nog II a no contest when they saw the fight ending cut was caused by an accidental headbutt in the replay.
I’m not sure of NSAC’s particular rules on this for MMA, however. But my thinking is there is still a chance for Johnson to appeal and get a no contest. I am just highly confused as to why this was not looked at during the event.[/quote]
Thanks for the response. That is one of the things we were discussing late that night. We just came to the conclusion once a fight is called, that’s it. Even if it was in response to an illegal incident and the fighter appears OK to proceed.
There was a brief period of time where it almost seemed like the fight would resume.
Was the Fedor fight overturned on the spot or later?
[quote]apwsearch wrote:
Thanks for the response. That is one of the things we were discussing late that night. We just came to the conclusion once a fight is called, that’s it. Even if it was in response to an illegal incident and the fighter appears OK to proceed.
There was a brief period of time where it almost seemed like the fight would resume.
Was the Fedor fight overturned on the spot or later?
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The Fedor fight was overturned on the spot as the doctors were addressing the gash on his head. In boxing, they will review the tape in between rounds if a cut is incurred and inform the judges whether or not the cut was caused by a legal strike or an illegal headbutt or elbow, and if that cut stops the fight they will immediately rule accordingly. Like I said, I am not sure how this carries over to MMA even though it is the same commission. The commission certainly has the executive power to overturn any fight it choses, but I do not recall it ever happening in MMA before except in cases of a fighter failing his post-fight drug test.
I think it’s fair to say that if you had the $40 (or $20 and a friend who also wanted to watch the ppv) and watched UFN instead of Affliction, you’re not a mma fan, you’re a UFC fan.
Just go to a Champps. i didn’t even eat, i just drank a water and watched Affliction and UFC. no reason to PPV when they’re all free.
[quote]Quinnthology wrote:
just go to a Champps. i didn’t even eat, i just drank a water and watched Affliction and UFC. no reason to PPV when they’re all free. [/quote]
My living room with my beer >>>>>> than some sports bar.
[quote]Donut62 wrote:
The Fedor fight was overturned on the spot as the doctors were addressing the gash on his head. In boxing, they will review the tape in between rounds if a cut is incurred and inform the judges whether or not the cut was caused by a legal strike or an illegal headbutt or elbow, and if that cut stops the fight they will immediately rule accordingly.
Like I said, I am not sure how this carries over to MMA even though it is the same commission. The commission certainly has the executive power to overturn any fight it choses, but I do not recall it ever happening in MMA before except in cases of a fighter failing his post-fight drug test.[/quote]
Interesting. Sooo has it ever occured where the similar to this fight, the fighter was able to continue, and the call was overturned, fight resumed?
[quote]apwsearch wrote:
Donut62 wrote:
The Fedor fight was overturned on the spot as the doctors were addressing the gash on his head. In boxing, they will review the tape in between rounds if a cut is incurred and inform the judges whether or not the cut was caused by a legal strike or an illegal headbutt or elbow, and if that cut stops the fight they will immediately rule accordingly.
Like I said, I am not sure how this carries over to MMA even though it is the same commission. The commission certainly has the executive power to overturn any fight it choses, but I do not recall it ever happening in MMA before except in cases of a fighter failing his post-fight drug test.
Interesting. Sooo has it ever occured where the similar to this fight, the fighter was able to continue, and the call was overturned, fight resumed?
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Not that I am aware of. The referee’s call on the spot is basically official, and once he makes it, they can only overturn it later. In all the other cases, like in boxing or the Fedor instance, the referee differs to the commission to get a ruling on what happened before declaring the decision. So that is where Mazz screwed up.
I haven’t looked any of this up, or went back over the rules, this is just based off my experience watching and reading media reports, so by all means if I’m incorrect let me know.
There have been instances in K-1 where they go back and basically restart the fight later on the card. In the tournament a couple of years ago Remy Bonjasky took a major dick kick and went down, though he was given a count they soon realized it was a low blow, and literally restarted the fight about an hour later on the card because his junk was too messed up to continue at that time.
But K-1 is hardly a good example of a fair and organized promotion and that wouldn’t fly under an American AC.
[quote]Donut62 wrote:
Not that I am aware of. The referee’s call on the spot is basically official, and once he makes it, they can only overturn it later. In all the other cases, like in boxing or the Fedor instance, the referee differs to the commission to get a ruling on what happened before declaring the decision. So that is where Mazz screwed up.
I haven’t looked any of this up, or went back over the rules, this is just based off my experience watching and reading media reports, so by all means if I’m incorrect let me know.
There have been instances in K-1 where they go back and basically restart the fight later on the card.
In the tournament a couple of years ago Remy Bonjasky took a major dick kick and went down, though he was given a count they soon realized it was a low blow, and literally restarted the fight about an hour later on the card because his junk was too messed up to continue at that time. But K-1 is hardly a good example of a fair and organized promotion and that wouldn’t fly under an American AC.
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That’s interesting. Thanks for the info.
[quote]KBCThird wrote:
I think it’s fair to say that if you had the $40 (or $20 and a friend who also wanted to watch the ppv) and watched UFN instead of Affliction, you’re not a mma fan, you’re a UFC fan.[/quote]
Or you have a cable box that doesn’t fucking work right and won’t let you order the PPV!
Not that I’m bitter or anything.
Seriously. He owned the dude that easily?
[quote]KBCThird wrote:
I think it’s fair to say that if you had the $40 (or $20 and a friend who also wanted to watch the ppv) and watched UFN instead of Affliction, you’re not a mma fan, you’re a UFC fan.[/quote]
or maybe you are just a bigger silva fan than fedor fan, because those were the only fights to get pumped for on either card. IMO Silva is the most exciting fighter to watch in mma today so i will always choose his fights over other fights. Fedor is great, but the rest of the heavyweights are pretty horrible (in terms of skill level and entertainment level) compared to the fighters in the lower weightclasses so i don’t care much about them.
[quote]CantStop wrote:
KAPOW[/quote]
Right on the button.
[quote]jjoy1000 wrote:
KBCThird wrote:
I think it’s fair to say that if you had the $40 (or $20 and a friend who also wanted to watch the ppv) and watched UFN instead of Affliction, you’re not a mma fan, you’re a UFC fan.
or maybe you are just a bigger silva fan than fedor fan, because those were the only fights to get pumped for on either card. IMO Silva is the most exciting fighter to watch in mma today so i will always choose his fights over other fights. Fedor is great, but the rest of the heavyweights are pretty horrible (in terms of skill level and entertainment level) compared to the fighters in the lower weightclasses so i don’t care much about them.[/quote]
Well, the affliction card turned out much better overall, and even on a fight-by-fight basis, but i suppose there was no way to be 100% on that PRIOR to the cards … still though, if I’m choosing between fedor’s first fight in a year and a half, and silva’s what? fifth? i’d say fedor makes it a pretty easy decision
[quote]KBCThird wrote:
Well, the affliction card turned out much better overall, and even on a fight-by-fight basis, but i suppose there was no way to be 100% on that PRIOR to the cards … still though, if I’m choosing between fedor’s first fight in a year and a half, and silva’s what? fifth? i’d say fedor makes it a pretty easy decision[/quote]
I thought is was a pretty disappointing night all together. Edger was awesome on the UFC card. Arlovski (sp?) looked really good on the affliction card. I really like Barnett but the fight was a little boring. Whitehead, Silvia, and Rothwell were less than impressive. Irvin was week. Vera fight was weak.
The Dream cards have turned out better than both of these combined.