I like Tanner, but even at his best he would struggle with Okami. After the lay off…I don’t think it will be pretty.
Right now there are still question marks for me, mainly due to the quality of competition in that division. Buy if Anderson fucks up Hendo then I will say he’s the best P4P fighter.
I still think best P4P is either Fedor or GSP based on their obvious talent, quality of fighters they have beaten, and the manner in which they have done so.
So what if Fedor hasn’t fought the best for a while? He’s still kept winning and hasn’t showed any obvious signs of fading.
Silva by unanimous decision in one of the most spectacular fight ever…cant wait!
[quote]Donut62 wrote:
Fedor hasn’t fought anyone worth a shit for 2 years.
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What about Lindland? I wouldn’t say that he’s in the same category as Hendo, Silva, etc… but I wouldn’t say he isn’t worth a shit either.
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Hendo is a good call, which is why this fight is so great. Kid Yamamoto…who has he beat? Certainly not the number one guy in his weight class, who Anderson Silva shit stomped twice. BJ Penn? Talent wise, maybe. But he lost two of his last 4 fights and hasn’t beat a top 10 guy in the LW division yet.[/quote]
The rest of this I’d agree with. I think Penn has the potential to be among the best P4P fighters, but just doesn’t seem to have the drive to do so. If he beats Sherk I think he’ll have a more legitimate argument.
[quote]Sentoguy wrote:
Donut62 wrote:
Fedor hasn’t fought anyone worth a shit for 2 years.
What about Lindland? I wouldn’t say that he’s in the same category as Hendo, Silva, etc… but I wouldn’t say he isn’t worth a shit either.
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Lindland is a 185 pound fighter. If Fedor didn’t beat him, it would have been an embarrassment.
[quote]Donut62 wrote:
Lindland is a 185 pound fighter. If Fedor didn’t beat him, it would have been an embarrassment.[/quote]
Yeah, I can see your point. Still Fedor had to illegally grab the ropes to keep that embarrassment from happening. 
Right, because we all know Matt Lindland is the most devastating ground finisher in all of MMA.
Everyone keeps making SUCH a big deal over the rope-grabbing. I find it somewhat forgivable as far as intention, since it’s just natural human instinct to try to grab onto something when you’re about to fall down.
But putting intentions aside for a sec . . . Fedor subbed the guy in the first fucking round. All his grabbing the ropes did was prolong the fight a bit. The sooner it went to the ground, the sooner Fedor would’ve subbed him, I have no doubt.
[quote]Sentoguy wrote:
Donut62 wrote:
Lindland is a 185 pound fighter. If Fedor didn’t beat him, it would have been an embarrassment.
Yeah, I can see your point. Still Fedor had to illegally grab the ropes to keep that embarrassment from happening. ;)[/quote]
[quote]Donut62 wrote:
Right, because we all know Matt Lindland is the most devastating ground finisher in all of MMA.[/quote]
Most devastating ground finisher, no. One hell of a good wrestler and great at maintaining position, yes. Do I think he would have won, even if he had gotten Fedor to the ground in a dominant position, no not likely. But it probably would have caused the fight to last considerably longer. And really none of us will ever know what would have happened had Fedor not grabbed the ropes. He did, and he won.
[quote]Damici wrote:
Everyone keeps making SUCH a big deal over the rope-grabbing. I find it somewhat forgivable as far as intention, since it’s just natural human instinct to try to grab onto something when you’re about to fall down.
But putting intentions aside for a sec . . . Fedor subbed the guy in the first fucking round. All his grabbing the ropes did was prolong the fight a bit. The sooner it went to the ground, the sooner Fedor would’ve subbed him, I have no doubt.
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I wasn’t making a big deal about the rope grabbing. I do think it shifted the momentum of the fight in Fedors favor as Lindland would have taken him down and gained a superior position if not for that rope grab. But, I don’t think that it would have affected the outcome of the fight.
Also, the sooner Fedor got superior position, the sooner the fight would have ended. Had he not grabbed the ropes though, Lindland would have gotten superior position and we would have had a much different looking fight. Lindland is an incredible wrestler, and one of the best at maintaining position. It would have been interesting to see how Fedor would have done against Lindland, put in that position.
But of course, anything other than what actually happened is just speculation.
Fair enough, but as Joe Rogan recently said about Fedor, “If you get him on his back he will FUCK you up!”
But we agree: The bottom line is that the outcome would’ve been no different.
[quote]Sentoguy wrote:
Damici wrote:
Everyone keeps making SUCH a big deal over the rope-grabbing. I find it somewhat forgivable as far as intention, since it’s just natural human instinct to try to grab onto something when you’re about to fall down.
But putting intentions aside for a sec . . . Fedor subbed the guy in the first fucking round. All his grabbing the ropes did was prolong the fight a bit. The sooner it went to the ground, the sooner Fedor would’ve subbed him, I have no doubt.
I wasn’t making a big deal about the rope grabbing. I do think it shifted the momentum of the fight in Fedors favor as Lindland would have taken him down and gained a superior position if not for that rope grab. But, I don’t think that it would have affected the outcome of the fight.
Also, the sooner Fedor got superior position, the sooner the fight would have ended. Had he not grabbed the ropes though, Lindland would have gotten superior position and we would have had a much different looking fight. Lindland is an incredible wrestler, and one of the best at maintaining position. It would have been interesting to see how Fedor would have done against Lindland, put in that position.
But of course, anything other than what actually happened is just speculation.[/quote]
[quote]Donut62 wrote:
Xen Nova wrote:
^^
Fedor
Dan Henderson (we’ll find out soon)
Kid Yamamoto
BJ Penn
Thats about it… and those are HIGHLY debatable.
either way “almost” only counts in grenades and horseshoes.
Fedor hasn’t fought anyone worth a shit for 2 years. Hendo is a good call, which is why this fight is so great. Kid Yamamoto…who has he beat? Certainly not the number one guy in his weight class, who Anderson Silva shit stomped twice. BJ Penn? Talent wise, maybe. But he lost two of his last 4 fights and hasn’t beat a top 10 guy in the LW division yet.[/quote]
probably a first in internet history but, hmm damn you’re right i agree with you.
I still think fedor is potentially #1 but its so open to dispute its nearly impossible to argue… everything has a big question mark right now.
i think this fight definitely decides the #1 lb 4 lb spot tho
ARE YOU KIDDING ME!!!
OMG!
That’s all I can say…
Anderson Silva is God. Unquestionably.
Submition, rear choke, i was rooting for Dan, the fight was good though. Huge hit with the early 2 round clinch by Silva.
If I were a UFC 185 pounder, I’d be heading off to my local McDonalds to stuff my face with 10,000 calories a day in order to make 205 and get the hell away from Anderson Silva.
[quote]Steve4192 wrote:
If I were a UFC 185 pounder, I’d be heading off to my local McDonalds to stuff my face with 10,000 calories a day in order to make 205 and get the hell away from Anderson Silva.[/quote]
Either that or fight Silva, but bring a lion with you into the cage.
Can anyone stop this guy?
by the by: did anyone see the koscheck fight? it was really good, and I usually hate koscheck fights, even against GSP. All the fights on the card were great tonight: Alexio&Leben, Herring&Kongo (sort of), obviously the main event, the Evan Tanner fight, the Jon Fitch fight, it was just a lovely evening.
-dizzle
Matt Lindland can pretty much name his price at this point. He’s the only natural 185er Silva hasn’t fought who might stand a chance. Machida, Shogun, or Wandy moving down or GSP moving up are the only other guys I can think of with a snowball’s chance.
And it’s just scary how fast Kongo’s ground game has developed. He’s going to be champion one day.
Jon Fitch is boring.
Chris Leben is pure entertainment, but he will never be the champ.
I ended up 9-1 in my picks tonight except for Hendo vs. Silva…that being said, I’m sold on Silva and will never bet against him again. He avoided any real damage in the 1st round and manhandled Hendo in the 2nd; I honestly never saw that coming, he finished Hendo off like he was anybody else.
I thought Kongo did enough to eke out a split decision, but hell, it worked out for me in the end. I told my buddy to bet on Herring, and during the fight he was looking at me and shaking his head…all I could say was “uh…Kongo never had a ground game before this fight…” fucking amazing how fast he developed, he could actually be a legit contender sometime soon.
Leben fight was fun as usual, but it must suck to be an eternal gatekeeper.
Okami looked solid, while Tanner seems to be past his prime…but no matter how you look at it, Silva just makes everyone in MW look bad in comparison.
Fitch is…Fitch…Wilson looked to be gassing around the 2nd and got outworked.
And Koscheck actually had an exciting fight for once! Anybody notice Hazelett’s body as he received that last headkick? If he had wings he’d start flying…
Amazing card though, and the next 3 look even better.
Where’s Mick28?? I wanna slap the taste out your mouth. Silva OMFG! Unstoppable in UFC MW division…period.