[quote]Donut62 wrote:
WhiteFlash wrote:
Didn’t watch the fights, glad Couture won, but there is NO WAY he has a chance against CRO COP.
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Oh no. Let the Randleman thing go. You will force me to bring up Valentjin (I choked out Randy Couture with a guilotine in 30 seconds while he was the UFC HW Champion in Japan in Rings, yet beat no one else of note in my career) Overeem if you don’t.
[quote]otoko wrote:
Donut62 wrote:
WhiteFlash wrote:
Didn’t watch the fights, glad Couture won, but there is NO WAY he has a chance against CRO COP.
Oh no. Let the Randleman thing go. You will force me to bring up Valentjin (I choked out Randy Couture with a guilotine in 30 seconds while he was the UFC HW Champion in Japan in Rings, yet beat no one else of note in my career) Overeem if you don’t. [/quote]
My point was, saying someone has NO CHANCE against someone is foolish, especially when one of the fighters is an elite. Mirko still has to fight Gonzaga and people are are talking like Mirko/Couture is already inked. Cro Cop has looked past opponents before, and it’s rather dumb to talk with such certainty.
Did you see this shit Otoko? Made my night.
Have to agree: TIm didn’t look like he didn’t care, he looked totally frustrated. He got knocked on his ass by an older, smaller guy, and that put the fear in him. Then nothing he was doing was working. Pure frustration.
[quote]Donut62 wrote:
Did you see this shit Otoko? Made my night.[/quote]
Mighty Mo is my hero.
Too bad about Sefo though. Sefo looked in great shape too.
Couture Sylvia looked fairly dull. I didn’t watch past the third round. At the bow in it looked like couture had bigger arms and was carrying less body fat.
The first round really showed where UFC rules allow fighters to get away with things you can’t do on the street. When they were lying on their backs Sylvia was in the perfect position to start using point of the elbow strikes against Couture’s inner thigh’s.
I think that is part of why I got so bored. I look at two guys just lying there stalemated and all I can think about is how one guy could be chewing the other to pieces, but he isn’t.
Fedor versus Mirko it certainly wasn’t.
[quote]Donut62 wrote:
otoko wrote:
Donut62 wrote:
WhiteFlash wrote:
Didn’t watch the fights, glad Couture won, but there is NO WAY he has a chance against CRO COP.
Oh no. Let the Randleman thing go. You will force me to bring up Valentjin (I choked out Randy Couture with a guilotine in 30 seconds while he was the UFC HW Champion in Japan in Rings, yet beat no one else of note in my career) Overeem if you don’t.
My point was, saying someone has NO CHANCE against someone is foolish, especially when one of the fighters is an elite. Mirko still has to fight Gonzaga and people are are talking like Mirko/Couture is already inked. Cro Cop has looked past opponents before, and it’s rather dumb to talk with such certainty.
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Of course you are correct. With certainty I cannot speak. Probablity says that Crocop should beat Gonzaga and then beat Couture.
Randy Couture’s performance was great. Though for me it validates what I thought I knew yet could not prove: that Tim Sylvia isn’t top tier.
[quote]Donut62 wrote:
Did you see this shit Otoko? Made my night.[/quote]
This should be called “pound-then ground”
[quote]Sifu wrote:
The first round really showed where UFC rules allow fighters to get away with things you can’t do on the street. When they were lying on their backs Sylvia was in the perfect position to start using point of the elbow strikes against Couture’s inner thigh’s.
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What you described isn’t illegal in the UFC. Whether it would have much of an effect on a fighter overall is questionable though…
[quote]otoko wrote:
slimjim wrote:
It looked like the same Tim to me. Tim has never been a technically good striker.
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Still, Randy was slipping to the left(instead of the right) on many of those jabs, hitting a right kick to Randy’s head after a jab would’ve been like throwing a low kick for Timmy, hell even a 1-2 combo would’ve at least landed the right when Couture slipped to the wrong side. I don’t know, I just got a bad vibe from the whole thing even though I was cheering for Randy.
I’m always amazed when someone new to the fight game accuses a fight of being fixed. News Flash! This isn’t the 1950’s, the mob doesn’t run the UFC, Pride, or boxing for that matter.
Are there shady decisions in boxing that often favour the promoter’s fighter? Sure. The result benefits the promoter, but hurts boxing as a whole.
Seeing as how Dana White is the sole promoter for UFC fighters and the UFC company (a good thing, that may not last), it would be absolutely retarded to cheapen his product by fixing fights.
If you still don’t agree, just look at Rich Franklin. He’s the UFC’s marketing wet dream. Young, white, American, good looking, he’s perfect for selling Xyence’s stuff. Now the middleweight Champ.( Silva), is black, Brazilian, and doesn’t even speak english. Very bad trade off for Mr. Dana White. If the UFC were fixing fights, Franklin would not have lost and got his face mangled for his trouble.
[quote]Donut62 wrote:
rainjack wrote:
Where can you find the fighters contract paychecks for last night’s bouts.
It’s interesting to see how little the undercard fighters are paid versus the main events.
NSAC releases them a few days after the event. Check www.mmaweekly.com, they ususally put it out first.[/quote]
The event wasn’t in Nevada though, it was in the state you’re residing in. I don’t know if the Ohio commission has the same policy about releasing fight purses as Nevada.
As far as Tim’s performance goes, well I don’t think he has a lot of fight smarts. Once it became apparent that Tim was losing the standup he should have attempted to take Randy down. Randy’s guard has been one of his weaker points and it is after all where he lost his last 2 HW fights.
The size advantage that Tim had was much greater than the advantage either Ricco or Josh had and he should have tried to use that to wear Randy down from the top position. I’m glad he didn’t try it, seeing Randy win was great.
[quote]slimjim wrote:
otoko wrote:
slimjim wrote:
It looked like the same Tim to me. Tim has never been a technically good striker.
Still, Randy was slipping to the left(instead of the right) on many of those jabs, hitting a right kick to Randy’s head after a jab would’ve been like throwing a low kick for Timmy, hell even a 1-2 combo would’ve at least landed the right when Couture slipped to the wrong side. I don’t know, I just got a bad vibe from the whole thing even though I was cheering for Randy. [/quote]
A head kick would need a stiff jab to create the distance required, which Tim did not utilize. I think Tim didn’t adapt as te fight went on. While it’s not desirable to slip to your left being orthodox against another orthodox fighter, still Tim didn’t do anything to discourage it.
Couture did well to slip to his right when throwing a jab. Textbook stuff. Randy created a great gameplan for Tim. Tim’s play it safe style worked right into that game plan. Randy pulls off a left low kick followed by an overhand right in the beginning to knock Tim down?
If Tim came in and established his jab with authority Randy would not have been able to do that. No kicks because he needs to put them into combination to have any effectiveness. No combinations thus no kicks. No hard jab to keep Randy on the end of, thus no combinations.
You are right about Tim not extending his punches. I just thought it wasn’t out of the ordinary.
[quote]muhr wrote:
The event wasn’t in Nevada though, it was in the state you’re residing in.
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Damn, you got me hahaha. I don’t know what the Ohio rules are either.
Proper respect to Rich Franklin by the way for defending against the boos that Anderson received and professing his respect for Anderson as a warrior.
Well too who ever said this was a boring fight… you should have been there! Between watching my favorite fighter of all time dominate my least favorite fighter and the emotion of the crowd it was one of the most incredible nights of my life! Awesome!
You could actually feel the crowd when everyone was chanting “RANDY, RANDY” and even more so when Timmay made his excuses at the end every single person in the place including the event staff BOOOOOOOO! At at the end I don’t know if they showed it on the ppv or not but it looked like Big John was poking so fun at he big Timmay when he held his hand up over his eye like he had a giant knot like timmay, just an awesome experience if you get a chance to see one live DO IT!
Oh and here’s some pics of UFC guys from the Arnold! Oh and the date stamp is wrong, wasn’t my camera and I couldn’t figure the damn thing out to turn it off.
more to come later
Just curious, but at the Expo, were there more people there to see the UFC guys than the bodybuilders?
It sure seemed that way, It was hard to walk down the isles were there were fighters because everyone wanted a pic and autograph from them, I got my pic with Frank Trigg but thats cause nobody else was waiting, some chick asked me if she should know him or something, I told here no she shouldn’t but pointed out were Rashad Evans was because I figured she watched TUF! HAHA!
On a side note Frank was really nice and very down to earth kinda off caught me off guard little, I told him I enjoyed his fight and he said “thank you so much, that really means alot” I didn’t get to talk to any of the other fighters but did find my self standing next to that little midget Greg Valentino right before they called him up on a stage with Triple H. There were alot of Body builders just walking around the crowd and no one noticed them unless they were carrying a trophy.