UFC 68

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I’ve rewatched the fight twice today…everybody is probably going to be up in arms over this, remember it is just my opinion before you guys lose your minds, but something just looks fishy about the whole fight…except for the first shot Couture drilled Tim with.

  1. Sylvia wasn’t even close to being gassed at the end of the fight. He isn’t out of breath at all at the end or during his interview, yet it looks like he barely tried in the last two rounds.

  2. Sylvia had no extension on his punches. 90 percent of the shots he threw ended with his elbow still bent. Now you might say this is because Randy was too close, but damn dude, if you don’t snap your punches you will have zero power behind them and Timmy has been in enough fights to know this.

  3. For a guy who enjoyed being champ so much, Sylvia wasn’t in tears at the end of the fight. It looked like he just gave up. In the 12 or so fights I’ve seen that fool in, I’ve never seen him just say fuck it…ever

Maybe Tim’s injury played a part. Maybe being champ burned him out. Who knows, all I’m saying is something just looked way out of place. If Randy had pounded him out in the first after dropping him, that would be one thing, but after watching the nonchalant way in which Tim went about his business, I’m left wondering what the hell happened to him.

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I can see how a big, powerful guy like Randleman could land a big shot and knock CroCop out. But I think Randy’s got a better chance of success against CroCop by trying to take him to the ground, where he dominates, which is what I’m sure he’ll try to do.

Standing and playing a striking game against CroCop, like he was able to do surprisingly successfully against Tim, would be suicidal against CroCop. Tim’s powerful, yeah, and if he does land a big one can put your lights out, but he’s also sloooow and lumbering and not too technically proficient. Crocop is fast and extremely technically proficient and great with his hands BUT, more importantly, he’s great with his FEET. Those kicks are gonna’ make it much tougher for Randy to shoot and take him down like he was able to do against Tim. I think CroCop’s striking game, especially his kicks, will ultimately be too much for Randy. Hmmmm . . .

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Maybe it’s just a case of a guy who didn’t have much heart, at least not that night.

[quote]slimjim wrote:
I’ve rewatched the fight twice today…everybody is probably going to be up in arms over this, remember it is just my opinion before you guys lose your minds, but something just looks fishy about the whole fight…except for the first shot Couture drilled Tim with.

  1. Sylvia wasn’t even close to being gassed at the end of the fight. He isn’t out of breath at all at the end or during his interview, yet it looks like he barely tried in the last two rounds.

  2. Sylvia had no extension on his punches. 90 percent of the shots he threw ended with his elbow still bent. Now you might say this is because Randy was too close, but damn dude, if you don’t snap your punches you will have zero power behind them and Timmy has been in enough fights to know this.

  3. For a guy who enjoyed being champ so much, Sylvia wasn’t in tears at the end of the fight. It looked like he just gave up. In the 12 or so fights I’ve seen that fool in, I’ve never seen him just say fuck it…ever

Maybe Tim’s injury played a part. Maybe being champ burned him out. Who knows, all I’m saying is something just looked way out of place. If Randy had pounded him out in the first after dropping him, that would be one thing, but after watching the nonchalant way in which Tim went about his business, I’m left wondering what the hell happened to him.[/quote]

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That a BS excuse. I don’t care if your back hurts, you’re an MMA fighter, suck it up. I watched the pre fight show and Randy told the camera his plan for Tim, and it worked. He said he was going to stay close so Tim couldn’t extend, and that he was going to take Timmy down a lot. He also said that Tim has lots of holes in his game and will lose. Looks like he was dead on with all accounts.

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[quote]Damici wrote:
I can see how a big, powerful guy like Randleman could land a big shot and knock CroCop out. But I think Randy’s got a better chance of success against CroCop by trying to take him to the ground, where he dominates, which is what I’m sure he’ll try to do.

Standing and playing a striking game against CroCop, like he was able to do surprisingly successfully against Tim, would be suicidal against CroCop. Tim’s powerful, yeah, and if he does land a big one can put your lights out, but he’s also sloooow and lumbering and not too technically proficient. Crocop is fast and extremely technically proficient and great with his hands BUT, more importantly, he’s great with his FEET. Those kicks are gonna’ make it much tougher for Randy to shoot and take him down like he was able to do against Tim. I think CroCop’s striking game, especially his kicks, will ultimately be too much for Randy. Hmmmm . . .[/quote]

That’s pretty on point. Randy used head movement to really frustrate Tim, but against someone like Mirko who can work his opponents from the bottom up that is not going to help much. No one in the UFC HW division will be able to deal with Mirko’s kicks. Fedor spent 6 months with Hoost to prepare for his fight, and Randy would need to do something similar to not be broken down.

Randy is similar to Fedor, in that he’s a puncher who likes to get the clinch and G’n’P. His best chance is to follow Fedor’s blueprint of constant pressure and takedowns from the clinch. Will he be sucessful? Probably not. But it’s not out of the realm of possibility.

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I agree re: standing up Hughes and Lytle. Hughes just layed and prayed. And lytle has high-level bjj. He was under the most dominating ground fighter of the last few years for most of 3 rounds, held his own, and was never in trouble

-Serra’s from Long Island, not NJ. On the OTHER side of NYC. Not sure why you dislike him, he’s a classy guy all the way, an overachiever, and the first american gracie black belt. I’m guessing you saw him on TUF The Comeback and he rubbed you the wrong way?

-I can’t stand sanchez either, he’s a little sh*tbag and I can’t wait to see him fight against somebody decent. The only high level fighter he’s fought is Parisyan, and Karo threw him like a rag doll a good 10 times in that fight. (AWESOME fight btw, for those of you who never saw it. Fight of the year I’d say)
Koscheck, the most boring fighter ever born, will definitely dominate him on the ground, and by dominate I mean lay on top of him. Sanchez has to go the stand-up route. Its 1 thing to win a NM high school wrestling championship, its another to face an NCAA champion.

[quote]rainjack wrote:
The one fight on the card that I had a problem with was the Hughes-Lytle fight. The ref never stood them up.

It was boring, and in the last round - they just laid on the ground for a good 2 minutes.

No offense to Hughes - but he never really did anything except land a few elbows.

It was a crappy win for him, and a crppy loss for Lytle. I really hope they give Lytle more fights.

UFC 69 is in Houston in April -

I hope GSP sends fucking Serra back to NJ looking like Huges after his 1.5 rounds with GSP.

And why the fuck are they matching Diego up against these 2nd tier fighters? Cos is pretty good - but Diego needs to fight someone capable of ripping his fucking head off.

God I hate Diego. [/quote]

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[quote]Politico wrote:
That a BS excuse. I don’t care if your back hurts, you’re an MMA fighter, suck it up. I watched the pre fight show and Randy told the camera his plan for Tim, and it worked. He said he was going to stay close so Tim couldn’t extend, and that he was going to take Timmy down a lot. He also said that Tim has lots of holes in his game and will lose. Looks like he was dead on with all accounts.[/quote]

Exactly. I’m sure if Tim had won by KO, his back would’ve been just fine. Randy executed his plan flawlessly, and Timmy had no answer. End of story.

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Here’s a link to part of the fight…hopefully the entire thing will be up soon:

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[quote]slimjim wrote:
suggested that the fight rigged
[/quote]

We must have watched a different fight. I saw a very frustrated Sylvia. At the end of round 4, you can see him yell into the air, “F–k!” He just couldn’t do anything with Couture. I don’t know how you got that he didn’t care out of the fight footage.

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[quote]Djwlfpack wrote:
Here’s a link to part of the fight…hopefully the entire thing will be up soon:

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Does anyone know where to see a full length replay of UFC 68? Internet or Television?

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[quote]slimjim wrote:
I’ve rewatched the fight twice today…everybody is probably going to be up in arms over this, remember it is just my opinion before you guys lose your minds, but something just looks fishy about the whole fight…except for the first shot Couture drilled Tim with.

  1. Sylvia wasn’t even close to being gassed at the end of the fight. He isn’t out of breath at all at the end or during his interview, yet it looks like he barely tried in the last two rounds.

  2. Sylvia had no extension on his punches. 90 percent of the shots he threw ended with his elbow still bent. Now you might say this is because Randy was too close, but damn dude, if you don’t snap your punches you will have zero power behind them and Timmy has been in enough fights to know this.

  3. For a guy who enjoyed being champ so much, Sylvia wasn’t in tears at the end of the fight. It looked like he just gave up. In the 12 or so fights I’ve seen that fool in, I’ve never seen him just say fuck it…ever

Maybe Tim’s injury played a part. Maybe being champ burned him out. Who knows, all I’m saying is something just looked way out of place. If Randy had pounded him out in the first after dropping him, that would be one thing, but after watching the nonchalant way in which Tim went about his business, I’m left wondering what the hell happened to him.[/quote]

I have been thinking the same thing, especially since Liddell-Ortiz 2.

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[quote]Donut62 wrote:
I didn’t think this merits it’s own thread so I’ll stick it here. Chuck Liddell was so fucked up from pills and booze and God knows what else on TV today I thought he was going to die:

http://www.wfaa.com/sharedcontent/VideoPlayer/videoPlayer.php?vidId=125084&catId=104

“Tommy Morrison.” LMFAO.[/quote]

That is unbelievable!!! He is as screwed up as a football bat.

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[quote]Sonny S wrote:

-Serra’s from Long Island, not NJ. On the OTHER side of NYC. Not sure why you dislike him, he’s a classy guy all the way, an overachiever, and the first american gracie black belt. I’m guessing you saw him on TUF The Comeback and he rubbed you the wrong way?

[/quote]

I liked Serra right up to when the judges and Dana White gave him the decision over Lytle. Although Lytle didn’t let it all hang out - he still dominated Serra in that fight.

It’s not that I don’t like Serra - I just don’t think he earned his shot against GSP.

Sorry for getting his home town wrong.

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Where can you find the fighters contract paychecks for last night’s bouts.

It’s interesting to see how little the undercard fighters are paid versus the main events.

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[quote]Djwlfpack wrote:
Here’s a link to part of the fight…hopefully the entire thing will be up soon:

I can watch that first punch over and over and over…

still wondering if anybody knows the details of randys comeback contract. in particular how many fights?

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[quote]rainjack wrote:
Where can you find the fighters contract paychecks for last night’s bouts.

It’s interesting to see how little the undercard fighters are paid versus the main events. [/quote]

It usually shows up on www.mmaweekly.com within a few days.

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[quote]slimjim wrote:

  1. Sylvia had no extension on his punches. 90 percent of the shots he threw ended with his elbow still bent. Now you might say this is because Randy was too close, but damn dude, if you don’t snap your punches you will have zero power behind them and Timmy has been in enough fights to know this.

[/quote]

It looked like the same Tim to me. Tim has never been a technically good striker.

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I understand any good [great] fighter has a punchers chance, I just don’t see Couture being able to do anything but catch hell from CroCop.

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[quote]rainjack wrote:
Where can you find the fighters contract paychecks for last night’s bouts.

It’s interesting to see how little the undercard fighters are paid versus the main events. [/quote]

NSAC releases them a few days after the event. Check www.mmaweekly.com, they ususally put it out first.