I kept wondering why Rogan was all up on Shogun’s jock? The fart comment was right on the money. I like Rogan, but he really had me scratching my head with all of his c-sucking.
Another pile of horseshit dumped on us by the judges. WHAT THE FUCK WAS THAT, no way you guys can break that down in to rounds and kicks and punches and tell me that machida won a FIGHT not a fucking ballet contest. FUCKING HORSESHIT
[quote]Sagat wrote:
If you judge the fight as a whole, Shogun won it, but a fight is judged in rounds. Shogun made more damage in the rounds he won than Lyoto did in the rounds he won, but Shogun clearly didnt do enough damage (or a knock down)to score a 10-8 round.
It could be 48-47 either way, but the judges gave it to the champ, if it was not a championship fight it probably would be a split decision for either.[/quote]
Thats the gutless way out… “We’ll give it to the champ cause no one will question that…”
Bull shit.
Lyoto didn’t win more than one round. If that. No way can you say Lyoto won more than one round.
[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
DannyVandal wrote:
tmoney1 wrote:
Thiago Silva definitely has the tools to beat Machida in a rematch if he follows Shogun’s gameplan
I don’t know. Thiago is too slow and doesn’t have quickness,foot work,and explosion that Shogun has. The only person at 205(outside of Anderson) that could probably duplicate what Shogun did is Vera. Granted he gets past Couture…but he’s been so hit or miss to even deserve a shot at Machida.
With that…I think the biggest thing Shogun did was actually stick to a good gameplan and not get anxious and frustrated. He didn’t fight Machida’s fight…as most do. Try to push Machida early and you fall right into his type of fight. Shogun had a good mix of aggressiveness and patience. You could almost say that he beat Machida at his own game.
Shogun definitely left a blueprint,but the question is who really could work off that blueprint at LHW. [/quote]
I think Lyoto’s game plan undid him in thi fight. He was way to respectful of Shoguns power. That allowed Shogun to wear him down, and slow him down with those leg kicks. In the end, Lyoto didn’t have enough left to anything.
Take a look at the post fight vidoe when they before they give the decesion…
Tell me Lyoto doesn’t look like he knows he lost.
One thing that Lyoto did prove in this fight though was that he can take a punch/kick and keep on going. He’s not going to be easily KO’d, even if someone connects. He also proved yet again, that he is one tough guy to take down.
What I’m most disappointed with though, is the fact that we won’t get to see Anderson fight for the LHW belt any time soon as a result of Lyoto “remaining” champ. I would have loved to see Anderson fight Shogun.
[quote]Sentoguy wrote:
One thing that Lyoto did prove in this fight though was that he can take a punch/kick and keep on going. He’s not going to be easily KO’d, even if someone connects. He also proved yet again, that he is one tough guy to take down.
What I’m most disappointed with though, is the fact that we won’t get to see Anderson fight for the LHW belt any time soon as a result of Lyoto “remaining” champ. I would have loved to see Anderson fight Shogun.[/quote]
But I bet we do see Randy Couture vs Machida.
[quote]ZEB wrote:
Sentoguy wrote:
One thing that Lyoto did prove in this fight though was that he can take a punch/kick and keep on going. He’s not going to be easily KO’d, even if someone connects. He also proved yet again, that he is one tough guy to take down.
What I’m most disappointed with though, is the fact that we won’t get to see Anderson fight for the LHW belt any time soon as a result of Lyoto “remaining” champ. I would have loved to see Anderson fight Shogun.
But I bet we do see Randy Couture vs Machida. [/quote]
I could see Couture getting a bullshit title shot if he gets past Vera. That would be horrible for Couture…he has nothing for Machida.
shogun is getting a rematch.
We have to ask ourselves why three out of three judges would give machida the victory. Not since Bisping vs Hamill have we seen such a robbery. That should prove to everyone that Dana White (and company) will do everything that they can to make sure that those fighters who bring dollars to the UFC stay on top as long as possible. A few more decisions like this and the UFC will be headed in the same direction as boxing took several years ago.
Now the UFC history changing machine will go to work showing only clips of Machida winning exchanges and talking of his greatness. (eye roll)
Other credible sources scored it for Shogun as well:
FightMetric: 49-47 Rua
Yahoo Sports / Cagewriter: 48-47 Rua
BloodyElbow : 48-47 Rua
USAToday: 48-47 Rua, 49-46 Rua
ESPN / Jake Rossen: 49-46 or 48-47 Rua
MMA Fanhouse / Michael David Smith: 48-47 Rua
CagePotato: 49-46 Rua
MMATorch : 48-47 Rua
MMAJunkie : 49-46 or 48-47 Rua
MMAMania : 50-45 Rua
5 Ounces of Pain : Rua (no score given)
Fightlinker : Rua (no score given)
ProMMA.Info: 50-45 Rua
Sherdog:
Jordan Breen – 48-47 Rua
Brian Knapp – 48-47 Rua
Mike Fridley – 50-45 Rua
A good article on the subject.
[quote]ZEB wrote:
We have to ask ourselves why three out of three judges would give machida the victory. Not since Bisping vs Hamill have we seen such a robbery. That should prove to everyone that Dana White (and company) will do everything that they can to make sure that those fighters who bring dollars to the UFC stay on top as long as possible. A few more decisions like this and the UFC will be headed in the same direction as boxing took several years ago.
Now the UFC history changing machine will go to work showing only clips of Machida winning exchanges and talking of his greatness. (eye roll)
Other credible sources scored it for Shogun as well:
FightMetric: 49-47 Rua
Yahoo Sports / Cagewriter: 48-47 Rua
BloodyElbow : 48-47 Rua
USAToday: 48-47 Rua, 49-46 Rua
ESPN / Jake Rossen: 49-46 or 48-47 Rua
MMA Fanhouse / Michael David Smith: 48-47 Rua
CagePotato: 49-46 Rua
MMATorch : 48-47 Rua
MMAJunkie : 49-46 or 48-47 Rua
MMAMania : 50-45 Rua
5 Ounces of Pain : Rua (no score given)
Fightlinker : Rua (no score given)
ProMMA.Info: 50-45 Rua
Sherdog:
Jordan Breen – 48-47 Rua
Brian Knapp – 48-47 Rua
Mike Fridley – 50-45 Rua
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Amazing. There is just NO WAY Shogun did not win that fight.
[quote]anonfactor wrote:
A good article on the subject.
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I couldnt agree more with this article.
It was a close fight, it could be 48-47 for either(and it is possible that Shogun would have won if it wasnt a title fight). But saying Shogun completely dominated, or destroyed Lyoto, 50-45 for Shogun is a joke.
And i bet that if Shogun had won a lot of people would be complaining now too, saying the same arguments of when Rampage lost the belt for Griffin in a close fight.
[quote]slimjim wrote:
Another pile of horseshit dumped on us by the judges. WHAT THE FUCK WAS THAT, no way you guys can break that down in to rounds and kicks and punches and tell me that machida won a FIGHT not a fucking ballet contest. FUCKING HORSESHIT[/quote]
Hey, slim. I totally felt the same. I’ve never been angered by a fight on TV, but the decision came pretty close to doing that to me. Whenever Shogun touched Machida, it was like he was being hit with a bat.
[quote]ZEB wrote:
We have to ask ourselves why three out of three judges would give machida the victory. Not since Bisping vs Hamill have we seen such a robbery. That should prove to everyone that Dana White (and company) will do everything that they can to make sure that those fighters who bring dollars to the UFC stay on top as long as possible. A few more decisions like this and the UFC will be headed in the same direction as boxing took several years ago.
Now the UFC history changing machine will go to work showing only clips of Machida winning exchanges and talking of his greatness. (eye roll)
Other credible sources scored it for Shogun as well:
FightMetric: 49-47 Rua
Yahoo Sports / Cagewriter: 48-47 Rua
BloodyElbow : 48-47 Rua
USAToday: 48-47 Rua, 49-46 Rua
ESPN / Jake Rossen: 49-46 or 48-47 Rua
MMA Fanhouse / Michael David Smith: 48-47 Rua
CagePotato: 49-46 Rua
MMATorch : 48-47 Rua
MMAJunkie : 49-46 or 48-47 Rua
MMAMania : 50-45 Rua
5 Ounces of Pain : Rua (no score given)
Fightlinker : Rua (no score given)
ProMMA.Info: 50-45 Rua
Sherdog:
Jordan Breen – 48-47 Rua
Brian Knapp – 48-47 Rua
Mike Fridley – 50-45 Rua
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I don’t think Dana has that much to gain from that BS. He walked over to Shogun and told him “You won that fight.” if you noticed.
[quote]Nikiforos wrote:
ZEB wrote:
We have to ask ourselves why three out of three judges would give machida the victory. Not since Bisping vs Hamill have we seen such a robbery. That should prove to everyone that Dana White (and company) will do everything that they can to make sure that those fighters who bring dollars to the UFC stay on top as long as possible. A few more decisions like this and the UFC will be headed in the same direction as boxing took several years ago.
Now the UFC history changing machine will go to work showing only clips of Machida winning exchanges and talking of his greatness. (eye roll)
Other credible sources scored it for Shogun as well:
FightMetric: 49-47 Rua
Yahoo Sports / Cagewriter: 48-47 Rua
BloodyElbow : 48-47 Rua
USAToday: 48-47 Rua, 49-46 Rua
ESPN / Jake Rossen: 49-46 or 48-47 Rua
MMA Fanhouse / Michael David Smith: 48-47 Rua
CagePotato: 49-46 Rua
MMATorch : 48-47 Rua
MMAJunkie : 49-46 or 48-47 Rua
MMAMania : 50-45 Rua
5 Ounces of Pain : Rua (no score given)
Fightlinker : Rua (no score given)
ProMMA.Info: 50-45 Rua
Sherdog:
Jordan Breen – 48-47 Rua
Brian Knapp – 48-47 Rua
Mike Fridley – 50-45 Rua
I don’t think Dana has that much to gain from that BS. He walked over to Shogun and told him “You won that fight.” if you noticed.
[/quote]
What he may have said to Shogun AFTER the fight is not nearly as important to me as what he said to the judges, or to people who talked to the judges BEFORE the fight. What do you think he had to gain by handing Bisping the win over Hamill when Hamill clearly won the fight? It’s called money, big ppv dollars from England. Similar motivation with a Machida win. He’s a big undefeated drawing card and Dana White will do whatever he can to keep the big money flowing in. Him saying what he said to Shogun after the fight is pure theater.
[quote]ZEB wrote:
Nikiforos wrote:
ZEB wrote:
We have to ask ourselves why three out of three judges would give machida the victory. Not since Bisping vs Hamill have we seen such a robbery. That should prove to everyone that Dana White (and company) will do everything that they can to make sure that those fighters who bring dollars to the UFC stay on top as long as possible. A few more decisions like this and the UFC will be headed in the same direction as boxing took several years ago.
Now the UFC history changing machine will go to work showing only clips of Machida winning exchanges and talking of his greatness. (eye roll)
Other credible sources scored it for Shogun as well:
FightMetric: 49-47 Rua
Yahoo Sports / Cagewriter: 48-47 Rua
BloodyElbow : 48-47 Rua
USAToday: 48-47 Rua, 49-46 Rua
ESPN / Jake Rossen: 49-46 or 48-47 Rua
MMA Fanhouse / Michael David Smith: 48-47 Rua
CagePotato: 49-46 Rua
MMATorch : 48-47 Rua
MMAJunkie : 49-46 or 48-47 Rua
MMAMania : 50-45 Rua
5 Ounces of Pain : Rua (no score given)
Fightlinker : Rua (no score given)
ProMMA.Info: 50-45 Rua
Sherdog:
Jordan Breen – 48-47 Rua
Brian Knapp – 48-47 Rua
Mike Fridley – 50-45 Rua
I don’t think Dana has that much to gain from that BS. He walked over to Shogun and told him “You won that fight.” if you noticed.
What he may have said to Shogun AFTER the fight is not nearly as important to me as what he said to the judges, or to people who talked to the judges BEFORE the fight. What do you think he had to gain by handing Bisping the win over Hamill when Hamill clearly won the fight? It’s called money, big ppv dollars from England. Similar motivation with a Machida win. He’s a big undefeated drawing card and Dana White will do whatever he can to keep the big money flowing in. Him saying what he said to Shogun after the fight is pure theater.
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we get it dude…you don’t like the UFC. They are coersing fighters into slavery and fixing fights.
…yawn
Yea machida definitely caught a break, couldnt see how the decision was unanimous too. Besides like punches landed, kicks, takedowns, what other factors they look for to make a decision?
Okay maybe I’m a retard or something, idk. But how in holy hell did Lyoto win that fight??? And I’m being dead serious. I watch all ufc ppv’s so I know my stuff, I know who fighters are and I know the rules. What did Machida do that Shogun didn’t do better? Defend a take down? Maybe if Lyoto would have went for a take down.
And for the round 3 exchange that they had, I think Shogun won it. He clearly landed the bigger hit.
I’m also not bias in my opinions. I went into the fight expecting Lyoto to win, and as the fight progressed I started doubting Machida was going to pull it off.
I agree that Lyoto should some real toughness. I also think Shogun made the mistake of letting this fight go to the judges…