Don’t want to post in the SPAM thread, so I created a fresh one.
Anyways, this card was somewhat disappointing:
major spoilers follow:
the main fight- stopped because of injury.
Machida lost because of incompetent judges.
Vinny lost because of needless stupidity
[I have to expand mathematically on this: maximum nervousness from both sides during the first 20 seconds + no established rythm + 4oz = super dangerous to expose AND move your head forward.
Why do fighters with average chins keep on starting so reckless?]
And there was another in-fight injury that ultimately decided a fight.
But Sergio Moraes’ submission was a work of art!
Bottom line, rather unsatisfying. Reminds of teenage sex where you continously get disturbed by relatives, her stupid pets and creaking furniture.
Looking at the Davis - Machida stats, Davis attacked more and landed more, and was the only one attempting or landing takedowns. Being a counter - puncher means Machida basically surrenders the agression portion of the scoring. Not a pretty win, but I can see how it could be a legit unanimous decision for Davis. Machida’s style is effective, but not the best for scoring.
Personally I do not like it when the UFC is setting up events in Brasil. The audience is simply pissing me off every time. The crowd acts like it would be one of their stupid soccer matches. On top of that, every time their guy or gal loses they give the winner sh*t simply for not being brasilian. Not a fan of these nationalist cunts.
I feel bad for the KZ. That guy has heart and I would have wanted him to become champion.
Aldo was talking about possibly having a broken foot after his first kick got checked by KZ…
Rather disappointing main card.
The prelim was good though.
[quote]devildog_jim wrote:
Looking at the Davis - Machida stats, Davis attacked more and landed more, and was the only one attempting or landing takedowns. Being a counter - puncher means Machida basically surrenders the agression portion of the scoring. Not a pretty win, but I can see how it could be a legit unanimous decision for Davis. Machida’s style is effective, but not the best for scoring. [/quote]
Fight metric still had it for Machida. Machida also controlled the center of the octagon, landed more significant strikes to the head and was one for one on takedowns in rd 2. Davis was awarded 30-27 by someone I believe. I have no clue how anyone could make a case for him winning rd 3.
I feel like we should discuss judging for MMA.
It’s making less and less sense.
White’s statement “don’t leave it in their hands” is needlessly defeatist.
There are simply no strong criteria.
The 10-must system, already dumb as it is, kinda does work in boxing.
But for a way shorter, infinitly more complex sport it seems positively arbitrary.
[quote]Quiet Warrior wrote:
Personally I do not like it when the UFC is setting up events in Brasil. The audience is simply pissing me off every time. The crowd acts like it would be one of their stupid soccer matches. On top of that, every time their guy or gal loses they give the winner sh*t simply for not being brasilian. Not a fan of these nationalist cunts.
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Kinda reminds of the annoying " U S A ! U S A !" Chants you get 80% of the time when one of the fighters is not US citizen…
[quote]sardines12 wrote:
[quote]devildog_jim wrote:
Looking at the Davis - Machida stats, Davis attacked more and landed more, and was the only one attempting or landing takedowns. Being a counter - puncher means Machida basically surrenders the agression portion of the scoring. Not a pretty win, but I can see how it could be a legit unanimous decision for Davis. Machida’s style is effective, but not the best for scoring. [/quote]
Fight metric still had it for Machida. Machida also controlled the center of the octagon, landed more significant strikes to the head and was one for one on takedowns in rd 2. Davis was awarded 30-27 by someone I believe. I have no clue how anyone could make a case for him winning rd 3. [/quote]
Kind of like the Hendo-Machida fight…
KARMA
[quote]Sethnacht wrote:
[quote]Quiet Warrior wrote:
Personally I do not like it when the UFC is setting up events in Brasil. The audience is simply pissing me off every time. The crowd acts like it would be one of their stupid soccer matches. On top of that, every time their guy or gal loses they give the winner sh*t simply for not being brasilian. Not a fan of these nationalist cunts.
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Kinda reminds of the annoying " U S A ! U S A !" Chants you get 80% of the time when one of the fighters is not US citizen…[/quote]
Agreed, Nationalism is an ugly thing.
Still have yet to see the fight, but from what I’ve seen pretty much every site and fight critic had Machida winning it.
I totally agree with Shwartz that the 10 point must system should be eliminated for MMA and a new more sport specific scoring system should be adopted. I know the traditional argument against that is that most judges aren’t educated enough to know what they are watching and that the 10 point must system is designed to be “dummy proof”, but at this point with the growing popularity and legitimacy of MMA, that seems like kind of a weak argument. If judges aren’t educated enough to judge MMA fights by more exacting methods, then they shouldn’t be allowed to judge them in the first place. They are getting paid after all by the state athletic commissions; they should be required then to learn something about what they are getting paid to do and not continue to blame their blunders on ignorance.
My proposal would be:
Cleanly landed “insignificant strike” (meaning no visible sign that it did much of any damage in and of itself)= 1 point
Cleanly landed “power strike” (meaning a strike that visibly hurt the opponent but did not knock them down)= 2 points
Knock down= 3 points
Takedown (where the person performing the takedown actually gains some sort of control of the opponent once the two hit the ground)= 2 points
Dominant position on the ground for at least 5 seconds (passing guard to side control/sit-through/north-south, mount, or rear mount/guard)= 1 point (and you could only earn another point if you improved, i.e. side control to rear guard)
Seriously threatened submission attempt (meaning that the opponent is in real danger of being submitted but manages to survive)= 3 points
And that’s it.
Maybe throw in a few tie breaking points in the case of a very close fight like:
Most damage inflicted= 1 point (I hesitate to make this more since it might unfairly favor those who have naturally thicker skin, like to cut their opponents, or work against those who favor punishing the body since such damage is visibly harder to see)
Tried the hardest to finish the fight= 1 point (again, I enjoy finishes as well, but if someone is getting picked apart on their feet by jabs and can’t do any thing about it but “try to finish the fight” by lunging forwards with big haymakers that hit only air, I don’t want to give the “aggressor” too much credit for their attempts)
I don’t see why that would be so difficult and I think it fairly compares/scores striking and grappling elements.
I was suprised but this is the first event in ages I didn’t bother with. I just did not care who won or lost. I mean I have tonnes of respect for the fighters on the card but none of them held any sway over my emotions, I just was not rooting for anyone.
Bisping
GSP
Wand
Big Diaz
Little Diaz
Big nog
Lil nog
Condit
Hardy
Gunni
Ettim
McGregor
Riddle
Hettes
Now I always love these fighters but alot of MMA nowadays I feel no excitement watching.
I remember when BJ fought Diaz two of my all time favourite fighters I was almost hyperventilating and watching through my fingers because I wanted both to win.
[quote]Sethnacht wrote:
[quote]Quiet Warrior wrote:
Personally I do not like it when the UFC is setting up events in Brasil. The audience is simply pissing me off every time. The crowd acts like it would be one of their stupid soccer matches. On top of that, every time their guy or gal loses they give the winner sh*t simply for not being brasilian. Not a fan of these nationalist cunts.
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Kinda reminds of the annoying " U S A ! U S A !" Chants you get 80% of the time when one of the fighters is not US citizen…[/quote]
Don’t forget about the f*cking morons who boo every time the fight goes to the ground or somebody is working on a wrestling clinch.
I think it was GSP who talked on the JRE about abandoning all rules that make MMA too much like boxing, e.g. rounds and the stupid scoring.
But hey, some guys seem to profit from the judges lack of competence. Take Benson henderson for example. No hate towards that dude but he clearly lost 2 of his latest title defenses.
The rematch against Frankie Edgar as well as his last title defense against Melendez.
[quote]Quiet Warrior wrote:
[quote]Sethnacht wrote:
[quote]Quiet Warrior wrote:
Personally I do not like it when the UFC is setting up events in Brasil. The audience is simply pissing me off every time. The crowd acts like it would be one of their stupid soccer matches. On top of that, every time their guy or gal loses they give the winner sh*t simply for not being brasilian. Not a fan of these nationalist cunts.
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Kinda reminds of the annoying " U S A ! U S A !" Chants you get 80% of the time when one of the fighters is not US citizen…[/quote]
Don’t forget about the f*cking morons who boo every time the fight goes to the ground or somebody is working on a wrestling clinch.
I think it was GSP who talked on the JRE about abandoning all rules that make MMA too much like boxing, e.g. rounds and the stupid scoring.
But hey, some guys seem to profit from the judges lack of competence. Take Benson henderson for example. No hate towards that dude but he clearly lost 2 of his latest title defenses.
The rematch against Frankie Edgar as well as his last title defense against Melendez.
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You could make the case that he lost to Melendez, however to say clearly lost is down right false. That was an extraordinarily close fight that could have went either way and when a fight is that close I always believe the benefit should be given to the current champion.
The Edgar fight is to far out of my memory to comment on so I’ll refrain.