UCSB kid that murdered 7

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[quote]staystrong wrote:

[quote]SirTroyRobert wrote:
When someone has thoughts like his… It wouldn’t matter if guns were outlawed. People like this will find a way to kill. When will people realize that people kill, not guns or knives. I’ve been reading a lot about Buddhism, and I’m sure you all know the golden rule. Do unto others as you would have done to you…I try to keep this in mind because if we all lived by this , things like this could be prevented. Guy had no friends, girls weren’t his only problem. One friend could have totally changed his mindset I think. Doesn’t change the fact he’s a psychopathic narcissist. This sickens me. All we can do is try to befriend as many as we can. If you’re nice to that one person who no one seems to like… who knows, you may save a few lives in the long run.[/quote]

Not saying being nice to people isn’t a good thing to do, but I’m not sure you have much insight into what these people really think and how they view social interactions and other people.

Reading the manifesto, he had at least one friend. Multiple at times in his life also. But he scared away that James kid because he was so insane and creepy. To me, that points toward the fact that a friend could not have really changed him. He was messed up, and chose to continue to be messed up by blaming all of society for all the emotional pain and loneliness he felt.

I really don’t think being “nice” to the awkward weird kid helps these situations. I’ve been that guy, and I’ve felt incredibly alone and that the world was unfair because all these other guys had so many friends and all the girls liked them and none ever seemed to even look at me. People being nice to me didn’t do anything, because later in the day when I went home I still didn’t have any friends to hang with and girls still weren’t interested in me. Sometimes, people being nice to me made me feel worse because I could tell they were just trying to be nice to the weird guy because I was weird.

And I doubt I’m the only person who’s ever had a period of time like this (and mine was 4+ years) and found a way to fix it.

The thing is, some people who get like that make the EXTREMELY uncomfortable decision to really look at themselves and figure out what’s wrong with them and fix it, while others take the easier route of blaming everyone else for not seeing how awesome they are. To me, it seems like this kid chose the wrong route and instead of fixing himself decided to take a different approach to dealing with his problems.[/quote]

Not saying being nice to him could have stopped or prevented it. Not saying it couldn’t have either. Just something to keep in mind. I don’t believe any of us can fathom what was going through his head. I’d guess that 99% of people would say this guys thought process was insane, but people who are in a normal mindset can’t ever hope to understand him since we are not in his mindset.

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[quote]SirTroyRobert wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]SirTroyRobert wrote:
When someone has thoughts like his… It wouldn’t matter if guns were outlawed. People like this will find a way to kill. When will people realize that people kill, not guns or knives. I’ve been reading a lot about Buddhism, and I’m sure you all know the golden rule. Do unto others as you would have done to you…I try to keep this in mind because if we all lived by this , things like this could be prevented. Guy had no friends, girls weren’t his only problem. One friend could have totally changed his mindset I think. Doesn’t change the fact he’s a psychopathic narcissist. This sickens me. All we can do is try to befriend as many as we can. If you’re nice to that one person who no one seems to like… who knows, you may save a few lives in the long run.[/quote]

So the solution is to start hanging out with all the most self-centered, egotistical, obnoxious, self-entitled, delusional, socially awkward, insincere, whiny fucking punks out there in the hopes that I might actually be hanging out with the one who is hell-bent on murdering everyone who has wronged him, meaning that I can prevent the deaths of untold scores of people simply by the overwhelming force of my personality?

It won’t be long before I start taking credit for all the days that didn’t end in mass murder at the hands of some deranged freak. And right around the corner from that will be my own little foray into places like Isla Vista or Los Gatos or Pacific Heights or Malibu or Carmel to take out the people who haven’t been giving me proper credit for using the sheer magnetism of my personality to keep the country safe.[/quote]

Did I say hang out??? Where in what I wrote did I state that you must become good friends with everyone? I simply stated this reminds me that there are people among us who are like this, and who knows, maybe one person who was friendly to them could have stopped it. Get off your damn high horse and take what I said as I said it. Don’t give it ulterior meanings or motives. I do not feel sorry for this guy in any way shape or form. It sickens me that someone is capable of this.
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Okay. Tolerate, not hang out.

C’mon. Quit being delusional. The type of people who are capable of this sort of atrocity are fundamentally incapable of having normal friendships. Your idea of being nice to someone and this wacko’s idea of it are two totally different things. Trying to befriend someone like this, to them, appears as if you’re patronizing them. If you REALLY wanted to befriend them, in their mind, you would simply shower them with all the adulation that they think has been unjustly withheld from them.

What exactly is it that you’re asking of us? To do something wholly ineffective, like “befriending” him just so that we can sleep well at night when things like this tragedy occur, resting peacefully with the knowledge that at least we did our part to save some lives?

Or are we supposed to validate this piece of shit’s psychotic delusions by showering him with the attention and praise and worship that “befriending” him would constitute, in his deranged mind?

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[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]SirTroyRobert wrote:
When someone has thoughts like his… It wouldn’t matter if guns were outlawed. People like this will find a way to kill. When will people realize that people kill, not guns or knives. I’ve been reading a lot about Buddhism, and I’m sure you all know the golden rule. Do unto others as you would have done to you…I try to keep this in mind because if we all lived by this , things like this could be prevented. Guy had no friends, girls weren’t his only problem. One friend could have totally changed his mindset I think. Doesn’t change the fact he’s a psychopathic narcissist. This sickens me. All we can do is try to befriend as many as we can. If you’re nice to that one person who no one seems to like… who knows, you may save a few lives in the long run.[/quote]

So the solution is to start hanging out with all the most self-centered, egotistical, obnoxious, self-entitled, delusional, socially awkward, insincere, whiny fucking punks out there in the hopes that I might actually be hanging out with the one who is hell-bent on murdering everyone who has wronged him, meaning that I can prevent the deaths of untold scores of people simply by the overwhelming force of my personality?

It won’t be long before I start taking credit for all the days that didn’t end in mass murder at the hands of some deranged freak. And right around the corner from that will be my own little foray into places like Isla Vista or Los Gatos or Pacific Heights or Malibu or Carmel to take out the people who haven’t been giving me proper credit for using the sheer magnetism of my personality to keep the country safe.[/quote]

Maybe I shouldn’t speak for STR but I think the idea is to be positive toward people and especially don’t be mean to them. There was a thread here a few months ago, I don’t even remember to topic but the guy who started the topic wasn’t all that likable and people were ripping on him.

He then posted a jump video asking if his box jump was at least respectable. A few people did give him props for the video. I decided to be a real dick and show him that a 49 year old near cripple could out jump him. Reflecting on that I’m very ashamed of myself for that because these dysfunctional people don’t need some asshole taking them down without any redeeming purpose.

After starting to read the manifesto, I’m even ashamed of the comment I first made about it looking like he was wearing makeup. A lifetime of purposeless putdowns wear down these dysfunctional people. If someone is out of line society should put them in their place but being a dick to someone for amusement is just wrong.

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[quote]theuofh wrote:

[quote]SirTroyRobert wrote:
When someone has thoughts like his… It wouldn’t matter if guns were outlawed. People like this will find a way to kill. When will people realize that people kill, not guns or knives. I’ve been reading a lot about Buddhism, and I’m sure you all know the golden rule. Do unto others as you would have done to you…I try to keep this in mind because if we all lived by this , things like this could be prevented. Guy had no friends, girls weren’t his only problem. One friend could have totally changed his mindset I think. Doesn’t change the fact he’s a psychopathic narcissist. This sickens me. All we can do is try to befriend as many as we can. If you’re nice to that one person who no one seems to like… who knows, you may save a few lives in the long run.[/quote]

Thank you sir for being compassionate. It’s hard at times, but it’s what the world really needs.
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Yes, making friends with psychopaths. Great idea. Let me explain something to you. Psychopaths don’t have normal human relationships. The ones that have enough social skills leave a trail of broken hearts and empty wallets wherever they go. They manipulate people and use them to fulfil their own desires. They have absolutely no empathy and see other people as either obstacles or marks to be conned. You cannot befriend a psychopath.

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[quote]on edge wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]SirTroyRobert wrote:
When someone has thoughts like his… It wouldn’t matter if guns were outlawed. People like this will find a way to kill. When will people realize that people kill, not guns or knives. I’ve been reading a lot about Buddhism, and I’m sure you all know the golden rule. Do unto others as you would have done to you…I try to keep this in mind because if we all lived by this , things like this could be prevented. Guy had no friends, girls weren’t his only problem. One friend could have totally changed his mindset I think. Doesn’t change the fact he’s a psychopathic narcissist. This sickens me. All we can do is try to befriend as many as we can. If you’re nice to that one person who no one seems to like… who knows, you may save a few lives in the long run.[/quote]

So the solution is to start hanging out with all the most self-centered, egotistical, obnoxious, self-entitled, delusional, socially awkward, insincere, whiny fucking punks out there in the hopes that I might actually be hanging out with the one who is hell-bent on murdering everyone who has wronged him, meaning that I can prevent the deaths of untold scores of people simply by the overwhelming force of my personality?

It won’t be long before I start taking credit for all the days that didn’t end in mass murder at the hands of some deranged freak. And right around the corner from that will be my own little foray into places like Isla Vista or Los Gatos or Pacific Heights or Malibu or Carmel to take out the people who haven’t been giving me proper credit for using the sheer magnetism of my personality to keep the country safe.[/quote]

Maybe I shouldn’t speak for STR but I think the idea is to be positive toward people and especially don’t be mean to them. There was a thread here a few months ago, I don’t even remember to topic but the guy who started the topic wasn’t all that likable and people were ripping on him.

He then posted a jump video asking if his box jump was at least respectable. A few people did give him props for the video. I decided to be a real dick and show him that a 49 year old near cripple could out jump him. Reflecting on that I’m very ashamed of myself for that because these dysfunctional people don’t need some asshole taking them down without any redeeming purpose.

After starting to read the manifesto, I’m even ashamed of the comment I first made about it looking like he was wearing makeup. A lifetime of purposeless putdowns wear down these dysfunctional people. If someone is out of line society should put them in their place but being a dick to someone for amusement is just wrong.
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onedge hit the nail on the head. All I was saying was it definitely can’t hurt for all of us to be a bit more positive. You never know how what you say or do can change a life for the better or worse. I’m not saying become friends with psychopaths, I’m saying in general, this reminds me to try and be respectful to everyone as possible because in the end, it could be a turning point for someone like this. Not saying this guy could have been saved, he could have just been too delusional to help.

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[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]theuofh wrote:

[quote]SirTroyRobert wrote:
When someone has thoughts like his… It wouldn’t matter if guns were outlawed. People like this will find a way to kill. When will people realize that people kill, not guns or knives. I’ve been reading a lot about Buddhism, and I’m sure you all know the golden rule. Do unto others as you would have done to you…I try to keep this in mind because if we all lived by this , things like this could be prevented. Guy had no friends, girls weren’t his only problem. One friend could have totally changed his mindset I think. Doesn’t change the fact he’s a psychopathic narcissist. This sickens me. All we can do is try to befriend as many as we can. If you’re nice to that one person who no one seems to like… who knows, you may save a few lives in the long run.[/quote]

Thank you sir for being compassionate. It’s hard at times, but it’s what the world really needs.
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Yes, making friends with psychopaths. Great idea. Let me explain something to you. Psychopaths don’t have normal human relationships. The ones that have enough social skills leave a trail of broken hearts and empty wallets wherever they go. They manipulate people and use them to fulfil their own desires. They have absolutely no empathy and see other people as either obstacles or marks to be conned. You cannot befriend a psychopath.
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I’m not saying to befriend psychopaths… I’m saying positivity can only help. There are people who cannot be helped and are beyond the point of reasoning with. But there are those who can still be influenced. You don’t need to be best friends with everyone or be fake. Just be positive.

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[quote]on edge wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]SirTroyRobert wrote:
When someone has thoughts like his… It wouldn’t matter if guns were outlawed. People like this will find a way to kill. When will people realize that people kill, not guns or knives. I’ve been reading a lot about Buddhism, and I’m sure you all know the golden rule. Do unto others as you would have done to you…I try to keep this in mind because if we all lived by this , things like this could be prevented. Guy had no friends, girls weren’t his only problem. One friend could have totally changed his mindset I think. Doesn’t change the fact he’s a psychopathic narcissist. This sickens me. All we can do is try to befriend as many as we can. If you’re nice to that one person who no one seems to like… who knows, you may save a few lives in the long run.[/quote]

So the solution is to start hanging out with all the most self-centered, egotistical, obnoxious, self-entitled, delusional, socially awkward, insincere, whiny fucking punks out there in the hopes that I might actually be hanging out with the one who is hell-bent on murdering everyone who has wronged him, meaning that I can prevent the deaths of untold scores of people simply by the overwhelming force of my personality?

It won’t be long before I start taking credit for all the days that didn’t end in mass murder at the hands of some deranged freak. And right around the corner from that will be my own little foray into places like Isla Vista or Los Gatos or Pacific Heights or Malibu or Carmel to take out the people who haven’t been giving me proper credit for using the sheer magnetism of my personality to keep the country safe.[/quote]

Maybe I shouldn’t speak for STR but I think the idea is to be positive toward people and especially don’t be mean to them. There was a thread here a few months ago, I don’t even remember to topic but the guy who started the topic wasn’t all that likable and people were ripping on him.

He then posted a jump video asking if his box jump was at least respectable. A few people did give him props for the video. I decided to be a real dick and show him that a 49 year old near cripple could out jump him. Reflecting on that I’m very ashamed of myself for that because these dysfunctional people don’t need some asshole taking them down without any redeeming purpose.

After starting to read the manifesto, I’m even ashamed of the comment I first made about it looking like he was wearing makeup. A lifetime of purposeless putdowns wear down these dysfunctional people. If someone is out of line society should put them in their place but being a dick to someone for amusement is just wrong.
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Hey, I’m all onboard with being nice to people and refraining from senseless criticism. But that is an entirely separate issue from this one.

We should be nice to people because it’s the right thing to do, not because we harbor some childish, delusional notion that being nice to someone might mean that we have some small part in that person becoming a serial killer or some manifesto-writing wacko.

I also think that the line of reasoning that TroyRobert is taking us down is dangerous and misleading. The natural extension of his logic is that those who are mean to others are at least partially responsible for the behavior of people like this fucking psychopath. There are people who get shit on by everyone around them all the time, and they don’t go around killing people.

The sort of treatment that this guy speaks of, from what little I actually know about his life, sounds no different than what any other awkward college student goes through. In fact, given what I know about people with personality disorders along the lines of what this guy probably suffered from, he most likely carried himself in such a manner that he invited some of the rejections he suffered from.

His idea of “polite behavior toward women” was probably something along the lines of being polite enough to remind them that they were lucky to be in his presence. You know, sort of like how it’s polite to remind a woman that you "don’t want her to get drunk, but that’s a very fine Chardonnay she isn’t drinking.

I think the blame rests solely, squarely, and entirely on this fucker’s shoulders, and not one iota on society’s shoulders. This guy didn’t kill a bunch of people because he was treated poorly; he killed a bunch of people because he was far too mentally unstable to handle such treatment.

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[quote]SirTroyRobert wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]theuofh wrote:

[quote]SirTroyRobert wrote:
When someone has thoughts like his… It wouldn’t matter if guns were outlawed. People like this will find a way to kill. When will people realize that people kill, not guns or knives. I’ve been reading a lot about Buddhism, and I’m sure you all know the golden rule. Do unto others as you would have done to you…I try to keep this in mind because if we all lived by this , things like this could be prevented. Guy had no friends, girls weren’t his only problem. One friend could have totally changed his mindset I think. Doesn’t change the fact he’s a psychopathic narcissist. This sickens me. All we can do is try to befriend as many as we can. If you’re nice to that one person who no one seems to like… who knows, you may save a few lives in the long run.[/quote]

Thank you sir for being compassionate. It’s hard at times, but it’s what the world really needs.
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Yes, making friends with psychopaths. Great idea. Let me explain something to you. Psychopaths don’t have normal human relationships. The ones that have enough social skills leave a trail of broken hearts and empty wallets wherever they go. They manipulate people and use them to fulfil their own desires. They have absolutely no empathy and see other people as either obstacles or marks to be conned. You cannot befriend a psychopath.
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I’m not saying to befriend psychopaths… I’m saying positivity can only help. There are people who cannot be helped and are beyond the point of reasoning with. But there are those who can still be influenced. You don’t need to be best friends with everyone or be fake. Just be positive.[/quote]

That’s like saying that it can’t hurt to bring joy to the lives of blind people by showing them beautiful paintings.

I am positive. I am positive that no amount of positive thinking would help this guy out. I understand where you’re coming from in terms of being positive as a part of your overall life philosophy. And while you’re right in that you never know who it is you’re being a dick toward, I DO know that if I am being a dick to a latent psychopath, no amount of positivity toward him on my part will change anything about him at all.

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[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]SirTroyRobert wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]theuofh wrote:

[quote]SirTroyRobert wrote:
When someone has thoughts like his… It wouldn’t matter if guns were outlawed. People like this will find a way to kill. When will people realize that people kill, not guns or knives. I’ve been reading a lot about Buddhism, and I’m sure you all know the golden rule. Do unto others as you would have done to you…I try to keep this in mind because if we all lived by this , things like this could be prevented. Guy had no friends, girls weren’t his only problem. One friend could have totally changed his mindset I think. Doesn’t change the fact he’s a psychopathic narcissist. This sickens me. All we can do is try to befriend as many as we can. If you’re nice to that one person who no one seems to like… who knows, you may save a few lives in the long run.[/quote]

Thank you sir for being compassionate. It’s hard at times, but it’s what the world really needs.
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Yes, making friends with psychopaths. Great idea. Let me explain something to you. Psychopaths don’t have normal human relationships. The ones that have enough social skills leave a trail of broken hearts and empty wallets wherever they go. They manipulate people and use them to fulfil their own desires. They have absolutely no empathy and see other people as either obstacles or marks to be conned. You cannot befriend a psychopath.
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I’m not saying to befriend psychopaths… I’m saying positivity can only help. There are people who cannot be helped and are beyond the point of reasoning with. But there are those who can still be influenced. You don’t need to be best friends with everyone or be fake. Just be positive.[/quote]

That’s like saying that it can’t hurt to bring joy to the lives of blind people by showing them beautiful paintings.

I am positive. I am positive that no amount of positive thinking would help this guy out. I understand where you’re coming from in terms of being positive as a part of your overall life philosophy. And while you’re right in that you never know who it is you’re being a dick toward, I DO know that if I am being a dick to a latent psychopath, no amount of positivity toward him on my part will change anything about him at all. [/quote]

Yeah, I agree you can’t help a psychopath. And no , this guy deserves no compassion whatsoever. I understand what you’re saying, and you’re absolutely right. Some people can’t be helped.

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I read through the later parts of his manifesto and I must say, I felt for him.

As someone who has had a bit of a social anxiety disorder in the past (perhaps a bit still) and went through great pains to break through it, I will attest to the fact that a lack of female validation or peer approbation coupled with a strong ego sets someone up for a grade A inferiority complex. Going through school too timid to approach girls or potential friends while watching others enjoy the life you want can be very crippling. I know that when I was too shy to approach females, at least I got to enjoy a little bit of attention from them, even though I was too scared to do anything about it.

I was shocked when I looked at his picture and realized that he was actually a fairly attractive guy. Good bone structure, prominent lips clear complexion nice hair, affluent family. I have a hard time believing that no girl was attracted to him. But the thing about women is they are drawn very much to social status; if you are always alone and never in a group of friends, people naturally assume something is wrong with you, and you become a pariah. Its unlikely you are going to walk into a bar by yourself and walk out with a girl unless you have the skills to ingratiate yourself into some group of strangers first.

He was not entirely wrong in what he postulated about females. What he was wrong about was the assumption that it was the world that was at fault. The world is what it is and he never seemed to really try to change himself, just put himself in situations that he would later balk from and feel small about. What he really needed was a job, waiting tables or something, that puts you in an environment with females that you have an excuse to talk to. Or to simply wait a little longer until girls tend to change what they are looking for after they get done with all the dick heads.

Such a shame.

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[quote]c.m.l. wrote:
I read through the later parts of his manifesto and I must say, I felt for him.

As someone who has had a bit of a social anxiety disorder in the past (perhaps a bit still) and went through great pains to break through it, I will attest to the fact that a lack of female validation or peer approbation coupled with a strong ego sets someone up for a grade A inferiority complex. Going through school too timid to approach girls or potential friends while watching others enjoy the life you want can be very crippling. I know that when I was too shy to approach females, at least I got to enjoy a little bit of attention from them, even though I was too scared to do anything about it.

He was not entirely wrong in what he postulated about females. What he was wrong about was the assumption that it was the world that was at fault. The world is what it is and he never seemed to really try to change himself, just put himself in situations that he would later balk from and feel small about. What he really needed was a job, waiting tables or something, that puts you in an environment with females that you have an excuse to talk to. Or to simply wait a little longer until girls tend to change what they are looking for after they get done with all the dick heads.

Such a shame.[/quote]

Yes, it’s easy for us to sit back and say how crazy he was. But we can’t fully understand someones thought process simply because we aren’t them. Most rational thinking people couldn’t fathom ever thinking about what he wrote in his manifesto.

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[quote]c.m.l. wrote:
I read through the later parts of his manifesto and I must say, I felt for him.

As someone who has had a bit of a social anxiety disorder in the past (perhaps a bit still) and went through great pains to break through it, I will attest to the fact that a lack of female validation or peer approbation coupled with a strong ego sets someone up for a grade A inferiority complex. Going through school too timid to approach girls or potential friends while watching others enjoy the life you want can be very crippling. I know that when I was too shy to approach females, at least I got to enjoy a little bit of attention from them, even though I was too scared to do anything about it.

He was not entirely wrong in what he postulated about females. What he was wrong about was the assumption that it was the world that was at fault. The world is what it is and he never seemed to really try to change himself, just put himself in situations that he would later balk from and feel small about. What he really needed was a job, waiting tables or something, that puts you in an environment with females that you have an excuse to talk to. Or to simply wait a little longer until girls tend to change what they are looking for after they get done with all the dick heads.

Such a shame.[/quote]

Yeah, waiting tables would have been a good place for him to begin working out his demons. I can only lament the fact that he never had the opportunity to work in a profession with one of the highest rates of depression amongst its employees. He definitely could have benefited from waiting on the people who deemed himself to be superior to in all ways, and I can’t imagine that seeing these people come in with their significant others all day would have had a negative impact on him.

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I couldn’t get the manifesto page to work right, but here’s why I don’t care about befriending a real narcissist or entertaining their view of of the world- Because I know one in real life. You can’t actually be friends with him. He sees me as a novelty and a frustration. He’s made a clumsy and completely inept move for my wife which failed miserably and has expressed amazement at (his perception of) my complete lack of success in life and my idiot-like satisfaction with it. People ignore him for the most part due to his self adulating bloviations, waitresses can’t stand him because he chokes them out with very expensive and way over used cologne and nobody gives a fuck if you have a visa black card when you treat them like your sphinchter and make them jump through hoops over a $5.00 appetizer.

And yet he does not understand why nobody loves him nearly as much as he loves himself. It’s amazing how truly and utterly unaware he is of his actions and how they affect his interactions with others.

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[quote]SirTroyRobert wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]SirTroyRobert wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]theuofh wrote:

[quote]SirTroyRobert wrote:
When someone has thoughts like his… It wouldn’t matter if guns were outlawed. People like this will find a way to kill. When will people realize that people kill, not guns or knives. I’ve been reading a lot about Buddhism, and I’m sure you all know the golden rule. Do unto others as you would have done to you…I try to keep this in mind because if we all lived by this , things like this could be prevented. Guy had no friends, girls weren’t his only problem. One friend could have totally changed his mindset I think. Doesn’t change the fact he’s a psychopathic narcissist. This sickens me. All we can do is try to befriend as many as we can. If you’re nice to that one person who no one seems to like… who knows, you may save a few lives in the long run.[/quote]

Thank you sir for being compassionate. It’s hard at times, but it’s what the world really needs.
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Yes, making friends with psychopaths. Great idea. Let me explain something to you. Psychopaths don’t have normal human relationships. The ones that have enough social skills leave a trail of broken hearts and empty wallets wherever they go. They manipulate people and use them to fulfil their own desires. They have absolutely no empathy and see other people as either obstacles or marks to be conned. You cannot befriend a psychopath.
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I’m not saying to befriend psychopaths… I’m saying positivity can only help. There are people who cannot be helped and are beyond the point of reasoning with. But there are those who can still be influenced. You don’t need to be best friends with everyone or be fake. Just be positive.[/quote]

That’s like saying that it can’t hurt to bring joy to the lives of blind people by showing them beautiful paintings.

I am positive. I am positive that no amount of positive thinking would help this guy out. I understand where you’re coming from in terms of being positive as a part of your overall life philosophy. And while you’re right in that you never know who it is you’re being a dick toward, I DO know that if I am being a dick to a latent psychopath, no amount of positivity toward him on my part will change anything about him at all. [/quote]

Yeah, I agree you can’t help a psychopath. And no , this guy deserves no compassion whatsoever. I understand what you’re saying, and you’re absolutely right. Some people can’t be helped.[/quote]

Hey, I don’t mean to bust your balls (you ARE the new guy, though), but…uh, you actually DID say that these sorts of people could be helped. Or at least you strongly speculated that being nice to a guy like this could have prevented what he did. And you DID say that one friend could have changed his whole mindset. My entire point is that NO amount of friends could have changed his mindset, so why even bother entertaining this notion that being nice to others will have any sort of preventive effect on these sorts of tragedies?

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[quote]SirTroyRobert wrote:

[quote]c.m.l. wrote:
I read through the later parts of his manifesto and I must say, I felt for him.

As someone who has had a bit of a social anxiety disorder in the past (perhaps a bit still) and went through great pains to break through it, I will attest to the fact that a lack of female validation or peer approbation coupled with a strong ego sets someone up for a grade A inferiority complex. Going through school too timid to approach girls or potential friends while watching others enjoy the life you want can be very crippling. I know that when I was too shy to approach females, at least I got to enjoy a little bit of attention from them, even though I was too scared to do anything about it.

He was not entirely wrong in what he postulated about females. What he was wrong about was the assumption that it was the world that was at fault. The world is what it is and he never seemed to really try to change himself, just put himself in situations that he would later balk from and feel small about. What he really needed was a job, waiting tables or something, that puts you in an environment with females that you have an excuse to talk to. Or to simply wait a little longer until girls tend to change what they are looking for after they get done with all the dick heads.

Such a shame.[/quote]

Yes, it’s easy for us to sit back and say how crazy he was. But we can’t fully understand someones thought process simply because we aren’t them. Most rational thinking people couldn’t fathom ever thinking about what he wrote in his manifesto. [/quote]

In truth I was up most of last night oddly drawn to the parallels of what he wrote and what I felt in my life. I lost my parents when I was young and had precious little in the way of human relationships. I had a difficult time relating to anybody, held a fairly high opinion of myself and escaped reality in the way of video games and novels much like this guy. My views of the way the world should be and how I should conduct myself were unrealisticly idealistic.

There was a huge disconnect between the way I saw the world and the way it really was, and it does build a bit of anger and resentment. If it werent for the few friends I had that patiently tugged me along to their social gatherings despite being that ‘weird’ kid, and occasionally letting me know in secret that so and so thought I was cute, I too may have ended up as crazy as this poor sod.

In the end I actually had to lower myself, so to speak, to everyone elses level and indulge in drugs, alcohol and the like to actually feel some amount of companionship and comradery and step down out of that ivory tower I constructed for myself in my loneliness. I may have been more successful in my career endeavors now had I never done that, but I don’t think I would have survived. Comical as it may sound, weed and some people in my life I am very grateful for very well may have saved my life.

However it should be noted that most people have a bias towards optimism. They typically feel as though the future will be better than now, that they are above average in many attributes, and that bad things probably wont happen to them. We LIVE on this hope, and those that are truly pessimistic will be very unhappy.

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[quote]DBCooper wrote:
Yeah, waiting tables would have been a good place for him to begin working out his demons. I can only lament the fact that he never had the opportunity to work in a profession with one of the highest rates of depression amongst its employees. He definitely could have benefited from waiting on the people who deemed himself to be superior to in all ways, and I can’t imagine that seeing these people come in with their significant others all day would have had a negative impact on him.[/quote]

I can speak only from personal experience. Yeah, you hate the job, but everyone hates the job and having something to commiserate about really brings people together in the sense that you are all in the trenches together. It seems to me he hated people mostly out of jealousy and detachment.

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[quote]c.m.l. wrote:

[quote]SirTroyRobert wrote:

[quote]c.m.l. wrote:
I read through the later parts of his manifesto and I must say, I felt for him.

As someone who has had a bit of a social anxiety disorder in the past (perhaps a bit still) and went through great pains to break through it, I will attest to the fact that a lack of female validation or peer approbation coupled with a strong ego sets someone up for a grade A inferiority complex. Going through school too timid to approach girls or potential friends while watching others enjoy the life you want can be very crippling. I know that when I was too shy to approach females, at least I got to enjoy a little bit of attention from them, even though I was too scared to do anything about it.

He was not entirely wrong in what he postulated about females. What he was wrong about was the assumption that it was the world that was at fault. The world is what it is and he never seemed to really try to change himself, just put himself in situations that he would later balk from and feel small about. What he really needed was a job, waiting tables or something, that puts you in an environment with females that you have an excuse to talk to. Or to simply wait a little longer until girls tend to change what they are looking for after they get done with all the dick heads.

Such a shame.[/quote]

Yes, it’s easy for us to sit back and say how crazy he was. But we can’t fully understand someones thought process simply because we aren’t them. Most rational thinking people couldn’t fathom ever thinking about what he wrote in his manifesto. [/quote]

In truth I was up most of last night oddly drawn to the parallels of what he wrote and what I felt in my life. I lost my parents when I was young and had precious little in the way of human relationships. I had a difficult time relating to anybody, held a fairly high opinion of myself and escaped reality in the way of video games and novels much like this guy. My views of the way the world should be and how I should conduct myself were unrealisticly idealistic.

There was a huge disconnect between the way I saw the world and the way it really was, and it does build a bit of anger and resentment. If it werent for the few friends I had that patiently tugged me along to their social gatherings despite being that ‘weird’ kid, and occasionally letting me know in secret that so and so thought I was cute, I too may have ended up as crazy as this poor sod.

In the end I actually had to lower myself, so to speak, to everyone elses level and indulge in drugs, alcohol and the like to actually feel some amount of companionship and comradery and step down out of that ivory tower I constructed for myself in my loneliness. I may have been more successful in my career endeavors now had I never done that, but I don’t think I would have survived. Comical as it may sound, weed and some people in my life I am very grateful for very well may have saved my life.

However it should be noted that most people have a bias towards optimism. They typically feel as though the future will be better than now, that they are above average in many attributes, and that bad things probably wont happen to them. We LIVE on this hope, and those that are truly pessimistic will be very unhappy.
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Glad you got through that part of your life. I honestly can’t imagine a life without companionship, so I really cant weigh in on his thought process. But like I said, one person can change someone’s life for better or for worse. Like you said, you’re not sure where you’d be without your friends. I’m sure many of us feel the same way. Where would we be without the guidance of our mentors, whether it be our friends or family.

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[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]c.m.l. wrote:
I read through the later parts of his manifesto and I must say, I felt for him.

As someone who has had a bit of a social anxiety disorder in the past (perhaps a bit still) and went through great pains to break through it, I will attest to the fact that a lack of female validation or peer approbation coupled with a strong ego sets someone up for a grade A inferiority complex. Going through school too timid to approach girls or potential friends while watching others enjoy the life you want can be very crippling. I know that when I was too shy to approach females, at least I got to enjoy a little bit of attention from them, even though I was too scared to do anything about it.

He was not entirely wrong in what he postulated about females. What he was wrong about was the assumption that it was the world that was at fault. The world is what it is and he never seemed to really try to change himself, just put himself in situations that he would later balk from and feel small about. What he really needed was a job, waiting tables or something, that puts you in an environment with females that you have an excuse to talk to. Or to simply wait a little longer until girls tend to change what they are looking for after they get done with all the dick heads.

Such a shame.[/quote]

Yeah, waiting tables would have been a good place for him to begin working out his demons. I can only lament the fact that he never had the opportunity to work in a profession with one of the highest rates of depression amongst its employees. He definitely could have benefited from waiting on the people who deemed himself to be superior to in all ways, and I can’t imagine that seeing these people come in with their significant others all day would have had a negative impact on him.[/quote]
LOOOOOOL

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[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]SirTroyRobert wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]SirTroyRobert wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]theuofh wrote:

[quote]SirTroyRobert wrote:
When someone has thoughts like his… It wouldn’t matter if guns were outlawed. People like this will find a way to kill. When will people realize that people kill, not guns or knives. I’ve been reading a lot about Buddhism, and I’m sure you all know the golden rule. Do unto others as you would have done to you…I try to keep this in mind because if we all lived by this , things like this could be prevented. Guy had no friends, girls weren’t his only problem. One friend could have totally changed his mindset I think. Doesn’t change the fact he’s a psychopathic narcissist. This sickens me. All we can do is try to befriend as many as we can. If you’re nice to that one person who no one seems to like… who knows, you may save a few lives in the long run.[/quote]

Thank you sir for being compassionate. It’s hard at times, but it’s what the world really needs.
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Yes, making friends with psychopaths. Great idea. Let me explain something to you. Psychopaths don’t have normal human relationships. The ones that have enough social skills leave a trail of broken hearts and empty wallets wherever they go. They manipulate people and use them to fulfil their own desires. They have absolutely no empathy and see other people as either obstacles or marks to be conned. You cannot befriend a psychopath.
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I’m not saying to befriend psychopaths… I’m saying positivity can only help. There are people who cannot be helped and are beyond the point of reasoning with. But there are those who can still be influenced. You don’t need to be best friends with everyone or be fake. Just be positive.[/quote]

That’s like saying that it can’t hurt to bring joy to the lives of blind people by showing them beautiful paintings.

I am positive. I am positive that no amount of positive thinking would help this guy out. I understand where you’re coming from in terms of being positive as a part of your overall life philosophy. And while you’re right in that you never know who it is you’re being a dick toward, I DO know that if I am being a dick to a latent psychopath, no amount of positivity toward him on my part will change anything about him at all. [/quote]

Yeah, I agree you can’t help a psychopath. And no , this guy deserves no compassion whatsoever. I understand what you’re saying, and you’re absolutely right. Some people can’t be helped.[/quote]

Hey, I don’t mean to bust your balls (you ARE the new guy, though), but…uh, you actually DID say that these sorts of people could be helped. Or at least you strongly speculated that being nice to a guy like this could have prevented what he did. And you DID say that one friend could have changed his whole mindset. My entire point is that NO amount of friends could have changed his mindset, so why even bother entertaining this notion that being nice to others will have any sort of preventive effect on these sorts of tragedies?[/quote]

I wasn’t really talking about specifically just him. I was trying to be general. Sorry if it came across like I was talking about him specifically. I was just trying to say in general, a little positivity can go a long way. Sometimes you might not even know how much you helped a person.

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[quote]spar4tee wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]c.m.l. wrote:
I read through the later parts of his manifesto and I must say, I felt for him.

As someone who has had a bit of a social anxiety disorder in the past (perhaps a bit still) and went through great pains to break through it, I will attest to the fact that a lack of female validation or peer approbation coupled with a strong ego sets someone up for a grade A inferiority complex. Going through school too timid to approach girls or potential friends while watching others enjoy the life you want can be very crippling. I know that when I was too shy to approach females, at least I got to enjoy a little bit of attention from them, even though I was too scared to do anything about it.

He was not entirely wrong in what he postulated about females. What he was wrong about was the assumption that it was the world that was at fault. The world is what it is and he never seemed to really try to change himself, just put himself in situations that he would later balk from and feel small about. What he really needed was a job, waiting tables or something, that puts you in an environment with females that you have an excuse to talk to. Or to simply wait a little longer until girls tend to change what they are looking for after they get done with all the dick heads.

Such a shame.[/quote]

Yeah, waiting tables would have been a good place for him to begin working out his demons. I can only lament the fact that he never had the opportunity to work in a profession with one of the highest rates of depression amongst its employees. He definitely could have benefited from waiting on the people who deemed himself to be superior to in all ways, and I can’t imagine that seeing these people come in with their significant others all day would have had a negative impact on him.[/quote]
LOOOOOOL[/quote]

Yeah I can appreciate sattire, but I urge you to consider how much of your social outings are spent bitching about work to your coworkers over a drink, and how this becomes a first step towards conversation about more positive topics.