UKFitGuy, the only article you provided worth half a crap is the first one. And it’s truly only worth half a crap. I’ll get to that in a minute. Your other sources are well.com and espn.com? BAHAHAHAHAHAHA! That about sums up your argument.
Now the first, “article.”
A. This isn’t a scientific study. Where are the participants? What are the paramaters? What is this guy backing up his claims with? I could write an article about how being “fit” makes you ignorant and without reason and use you as an example, but that doesn’t make it credible evidence to a reasoning mind.
B. “The majority of the studies involve hospitalized patients who are treated for prolonged periods for various diseases, such as anemia, renal insufficiency, impotence, and dysfunction of the pituitary gland.”
The majority of his observations were on people who WERE ALREADY SICK! There’s a huge difference between healthy people and sick people with regards to their predisposition to getting other ailments and having worse reactions to medications. With your vast medical knowledge, I’m sure you would have known that.
C. He actually says a lot of stuff that we already know, but he doesn’t provide numbers for anything at all.
“Especially the AS containing a 17-alkyl group have potentially more adverse affects, in particular to the liver.”
Yes, we know that, but he neglects to mention dosage, duration, the patients’ general health at the time, actual percentage of people who get true, permanent liver dysfunction from this. This is a SORELY lacking source.
D. " Testosterone cypionate, testosterone enanthate and other injectable anabolic steroids seem to have little adverse effects on the liver."
Shocking, just shocking.
My aspirin comment stands. Your ignorance on the matter is not an argument. For that matter, I’ll add that several antibiotics are more hepatotoxic than anabolic steroids as well. People take them with and without a doctor’s prescription all the time without killing themselves.
Yes, steroids increase “bulk” more than food. Your argument was that something that put on muscle in a short time was bad for you. I provided an example of something else that does. Now you’re backtracking because you’re wrong. Thanks for admitting it.
And what is this crap about taking a single medication for a course and moving on? Many older folks are on multiple medications with various toxicities for YEARS without clinical consequence. You’re again using an extremely ignorant argument. I do like how you speak as if you were a doctor though.
“How many people do you know that take aspirin longe term at full dose other then prescribed to them by their GP?”
Again, ignorance. I know LOTS of people who take far more than the recommended dose of aspirin, Tylenol, other NSAIDS, narcotics, etc. for daily pain for years on end. People do this, on their own, without a doctor’s supervision, every single day. What was your argument again?
“Steroids are recreational drugs just like Heroin, Cocaine and ecstacy that are dangerous and abused by the people that take them.”
You have got to be freaking kidding me. First of all, they have LEGITIMATE medical uses. That alone takes care of your statement. Secondly, have you ever read a thing T-mag has published? Why exactly are you here again?
“They arent illegal for nothing, it is for a reason!”
They’re illegal because of ignorant persons like yourself, who see everything in this world as black and white, and you’re always on the white side.
“You say you’re a GP, what are you, a quack?”
I didn’t say I was a GP. I honestly don’t know where you got that from. It doesn’t really surprise me, though, coming from somebody who gets his info from espn.com and well.com. I’m not a “quack” either. I’m somebody who doesn’t have a knee-jerk response to something without thoroughly investigating it first. I weight the pros and cons, real-world evidence, and scientific literature before I render a judgement. In short, I educate myself rather than fall prey to being a part of “the general public’s opinion.” You should try to do the same.