Here’s a shot of my platform in case anybody’s interested.
Geez, this whole time I’ve been calling them trap bar DEADLIFTS. You young kids and your crazy naming conventions.
[quote]unearth wrote:
Geez, this whole time I’ve been calling them trap bar DEADLIFTS. You young kids and your crazy naming conventions.[/quote]
Good point. As far as I’m concerned they are deadlifts, but I think that varies from person to person.
I’m tall with a long torso, so for me it is more deadlift than squat. YMMV
[quote]APE. wrote:
I tried benching w/ it. A bit odd, I was in a powerrack and there wasn’t much room left over the safety pins to place weights.
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They sell extensions called “Talons” here:
[quote]unearth wrote:
Geez, this whole time I’ve been calling them trap bar DEADLIFTS. You young kids and your crazy naming conventions.[/quote]
I was thinking if you keep the center of gravity a bit more forward and your butt a bit higher it’s a deadlift and if you bring the handles right down to your ankles and go to parallel with your thighs or even below it’s a squat.
Kind of a semantic issue I guess, but the emphasis is different in each case.
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
unearth wrote:
Geez, this whole time I’ve been calling them trap bar DEADLIFTS. You young kids and your crazy naming conventions.
I was thinking if you keep the center of gravity a bit more forward and your butt a bit higher it’s a deadlift and if you bring the handles right down to your ankles and go to parallel with your thighs or even below it’s a squat.
Kind of a semantic issue I guess, but the emphasis is different in each case.[/quote]
I throw my “I don’t get it” in the hat too. You are lifting the weight from the floor directly. Lifting it dead. A dead LIFT. I don’t buy calling it a squat. I don’t think ass height at the bottom makes it a deadlift or a squat. if it unracked and you squat down and back up and call this a rep, then I call it a squat. Who cares? It is an awesome lift.
[quote]jp_dubya wrote:
Tiribulus wrote:
unearth wrote:
Geez, this whole time I’ve been calling them trap bar DEADLIFTS. You young kids and your crazy naming conventions.
I was thinking if you keep the center of gravity a bit more forward and your butt a bit higher it’s a deadlift and if you bring the handles right down to your ankles and go to parallel with your thighs or even below it’s a squat.
Kind of a semantic issue I guess, but the emphasis is different in each case.
I throw my “I don’t get it” in the hat too. You are lifting the weight from the floor directly. Lifting it dead. A dead LIFT. I don’t buy calling it a squat. I don’t think ass height at the bottom makes it a deadlift or a squat. if it unracked and you squat down and back up and call this a rep, then I call it a squat. Who cares? It is an awesome lift.[/quote]
I call them trap bar deadlifts as well. Good looking setup Tirib.
[quote]jp_dubya wrote:
Tiribulus wrote:
unearth wrote:
Geez, this whole time I’ve been calling them trap bar DEADLIFTS. You young kids and your crazy naming conventions.
I was thinking if you keep the center of gravity a bit more forward and your butt a bit higher it’s a deadlift and if you bring the handles right down to your ankles and go to parallel with your thighs or even below it’s a squat.
Kind of a semantic issue I guess, but the emphasis is different in each case.
I throw my “I don’t get it” in the hat too. You are lifting the weight from the floor directly. Lifting it dead. A dead LIFT. I don’t buy calling it a squat. I don’t think ass height at the bottom makes it a deadlift or a squat. if it unracked and you squat down and back up and call this a rep, then I call it a squat. Who cares? It is an awesome lift.[/quote]
I love my trap bar, and have always called them squats - but the above explanation makes total sense to me. Trap bar deads it is. I will say that they destroy the quads though, not something I feel with conventional deads.
[quote]hankr wrote:
jp_dubya wrote:
Tiribulus wrote:
unearth wrote:
I love my trap bar, and have always called them squats - but the above explanation makes total sense to me. Trap bar deads it is. I will say that they destroy the quads though, not something I feel with conventional deads.[/quote]
I love them too. I was hooked the first time I tried them. Brother has a trap bar. He also has a thicker bar, can’t recall its name. You wouldn’t think that the thickness would affect the benchpress, but it does. Trap bar is on my list
Could we have a poll in the making here. I guess looking at it from the standpoint of where the weight is lifted from deadlift would be technically more accurate. Like Dubya said though , the exercise by any other name will work as well.
Thanks Modi, obviously quite simple. One day I may need something a bit stronger, but today is not that day =]
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
Could we have a poll in the making here. I guess looking at it from the standpoint of where the weight is lifted from deadlift would be technically more accurate. Like Dubya said though , the exercise by any other name will work as well.
Thanks Modi, obviously quite simple. One day I may need something a bit stronger, but today is not that day =][/quote]
We could use the name “Squatlift”.
Ya know, this discussion is pretty much academic , but after thinking about this a minute longer I’m not sure.
The way I do what I’ve been calling trap bar squats is to “dead” lift if off the floor and then squat with it. Back, hips and legs pretty much identical to a back squat except with the weight hanging from my arms.
What difference would it make if I would’ve just not bent over as far and started from the rack? However the lift off is done the motion is a squat. Again, not that it really matters, but you guys got me thinking now.
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
Ya know, this discussion is pretty much academic , but after thinking about this a minute longer I’m not sure.
The way I do what I’ve been calling trap bar squats is to “dead” lift if off the floor and then squat with it. Back, hips and legs pretty much identical to a back squat except with the weight hanging from my arms.
What difference would it make if I would’ve just not bent over as far and started from the rack? However the lift off is done the motion is a squat. Again, not that it really matters, but you guys got me thinking now.[/quote]
Trib,
Just curious, why the box instead of just turning the trapbar over. I do that and you have to get pretty low plus reach around the “hole level” handle - which I see your bar doesn’t have.
Also, how about shots of your other weights. Looks like a nice home setup. I have 5-85# by 5’s and love to use them.
Finally, it is easy to stress either quad or rear chain with trapbar me thinks.
[quote]treco wrote:
Trib,
Just curious, why the box instead of just turning the trapbar over. I do that and you have to get pretty low plus reach around the “hole level” handle - which I see your bar doesn’t have.
Also, how about shots of your other weights. Looks like a nice home setup. I have 5-85# by 5’s and love to use them.
Finally, it is easy to stress either quad or rear chain with trapbar me thinks.[/quote]
I tried that the first day I had it actually, but it feels like it’s trying to roll over. I can hold it, but it’s distracting. I had been meaning to make a platform anyway so it worked out pretty good. When I get a chance I’m going to make some additional tiers for it or at least one.
My setup is the textbook definition of function over beauty. My dumbbells are all the starlock kind except one pair of old handles I got for 2 bux apiece that use spring collars, all standard plates.
I’ve got a few hundred pounds of standard and 900 pounds n change of olympic plates, a couple olympic bars, and a cheap rack/smith machine/high-low cable/pec dec outfit with a bunch of handles that is surprisingly functional with some creativity. It uses olympic plates.
A couple adjustable benches (different heights and one with the obligatory leg extension/curl/preacher thing), a nice ab bench, a roman chair, a stationary bike, a healthrider (don’t laugh, great warmup), a dipping/leg raise station, a tricep bar ,the trap bar, a 5 foot standard bar (my daughter uses it), a great homemade wrist roller and a bunch of clips and chains.
Nothing matches and about 2/3 of it all is used. Garage sales/clearance sales and second hand stores make me happy =] There’s always something you wish you had, but I’m making good progress with what I’ve got. I have a way to do very effective exercises for every muscle group for the foreseeable future. The large number of plates help minimize having to swap plates constantly during a workout.
[quote]LA wrote:
APE. wrote:
I tried benching w/ it. A bit odd, I was in a powerrack and there wasn’t much room left over the safety pins to place weights.
They sell extensions called “Talons” here:
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I’m familiar w/ PDA, but not a fan of their prices. A friend of mine that welds an lifts an I made them for 1/4 the price asking (thats a tricep bar + pipe for extensions)
I just discovered a positively splendid variation on the semi upright row/shrug things I was talking about on the previous page. Same exact thing only hold the handles in the plates instead of the bar(see pic on last page). Bend slightly forward and row/shrug pulling your shoulder blades together.
Hey Trib, Check out this video I found on Google.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8436031000324398797&q=Trap+Bar+Deadlift&hl=en
I would say my form is pretty close to his…although I am not this strong yet.
How would you compare your form to the lifter in the video?
[quote]Dirty Tiger wrote:
Hey Trib, Check out this video I found on Google.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8436031000324398797&q=Trap+Bar+Deadlift&hl=en
I would say my form is pretty close to his…although I am not this strong yet.
How would you compare your form to the lifter in the video?
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That’s somewhat close judging without having actually seen myself do it. Except I definitely get my thighs to parallel. Watching him it’s like I was saying earlier. The center of gravity never gets in front of his knees which gives it that squatting emphasis.
However it is still a “dead” lift, especially with him letting it sit on the floor a second between reps which I don’t do either. Don’t misunderstand, this guy is much stronger than me too, I’m just making observations
It really does come off as a hybrid “squatlift” or “deadsquat” like the other guy was saying. In the end it’s a great exercise that lights me up from the waist down regardless of what we decide to call it.
for flawless form, check this out
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7744591772793694017&q=Trap+Bar+Deadlift&hl=en
[quote]jp_dubya wrote:
for flawless form, check this out
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7744591772793694017&q=Trap+Bar+Deadlift&hl=en[/quote]
I ruptured 2 discs, tore a rhomboid, dislocated a shoulder and hyperextended my right knee just watching that. OW!!!