Training Till Depressed: Results

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[quote]StandTall wrote:
I’m on day 8 of my second go around of 10 days straight of training. It is not hitting me as hard this time as it was last time. I’m up another 2 lbs at 242 and could not sleep two nights ago so I went to the gym at 11pm to do deadlift which I have not done in around 6 weeks.

Everything felt light. My grip was strong. I was able to double overhand 365lbs and used to struggle double overhanding 315. I did 405x3 and x1 then did 315x8. My back is fried. I was able to shower and fall to sleep quickly at 1am and then had a hard time at work all day yesterday, so I did not go to the gym.

Today was back at the gym and feeling strong. I’m planning to eat a load of food today and will take measurements in a few days.

Marquos,

What type of training do you respond best to after high frequency training? I was thinking of a 3 day a week training with one heavy lift and then EDT for two 15 minute sessions each day. So it would look like this for day one

Deadlift Heavy

EDT
Chinups and Dips

EDT
Calves and 1 legged deadlifts

I would follow this template for the two other training days too.[/quote]

Standtall,

What you suggest after HF training works very well for me. I also, for mental purposes sometimes like to do splits, simply because they are fun to do and because they are not so draining. Pumping the heck out of a muscle is like a break for me.

I really like EDT 4-6 times per week or something like Coach Thib suggests. Also, in the weeks that I cannot go often I like a push pull schedule.

I have done what you are suggesting:
heavy exercise followed by two EDT sessions and that’s an awesome way to train.

If you look at Coach Staley’s articles you will actually find him sugesting something along these lines to maintain strength while losing some fat (but of course with a surplus of calories this is great for mass).

Great results by the way in regards to adding weigth and strength inyour back sessions.

Good luck,

marc

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[quote]skinnymuscles wrote:
IAMMARQUOIS- can you look at this for me? I have come up with a HFT routine/hybrid that I hope will do this… As I have saif I have A LOT of free time the next 5 or 6 weeks so I can basically just train, eat, sleep, rest, and hopefully … Grow!

I am used to high volume (sometimes 50 + sets for muscles in a single session) and I really think that although it looks insane, I can handle it provided I get appropriate nutrition and rest.
Please review and critique… would love any opinions.

I am trying to really bring up my back and legs so there are sometimes a few more exercises for these bodyparts than the others…

Here we go:

Day 1- AM

6X6
A1 Back Squat
A2 Seated Row
B1 Push Press
B2 Barbell flat Bench Press
C1 Chin-ups
C2 Dips
D1 Leg Curls
D2 Weighted Crunches

Day 1- PM
4 X 10-12
A1 Front Squat
A2 T-Bar Row
B1 Straight Leg Deadlift
B2 Wide Grip Lat Pulldowns
C1- Dumbell Incline Bench Press
C2 Seated Bent Over Lateral Raises
D1 Barbell Bicep Curls
D2 Close Grip Bench Press

Day 2- AM
6X6
A1- Leg Press
A2 Bicep Rope Curls
B1- Deadlifts
B2- Tricep Rope Extensions
C1- Power Clean and Press
C2- Hammer Curls
D1- V-bar Lat Pull-downs
D2- Decline Bench Press

Day 2- PM
4 X 10-12
A1- Sumo Squats
A2- Flat Bench Press
B1- Walking Lunges
B2- Supinated (close grip) pull downs
C1- Bent Over one arm Rows
C2- Dips
D1- Seated Military Press
D2â¿¿Seated Alternating dumbbell curls

Day 3- full body â¿¿lightâ¿¿ circuit- 15-20 reps of each exercise- one per bodypart. 3 or 4 times through. Will include 20 rep squats
OR
Track workout

Day 4- AM
6X6
A1 Hack Squat
A2 Seated Row
B1 Push Press
B2 Peck Deck
C1 Chin-ups
C2 Dips
D1 Lying Leg Curls
D2 Walking Lunges

Day 4- PM
4 X 10-12
A1 Front Squat
A2 T-Bar Row
B1 Straight Leg Deadlift
B2 Wide Grip Lat Pulldowns
C1- Dumbell Incline Bench Press
C2 Seated Bent Over Lateral Raises
D1 Barbell Bicep Curls
D2 Close Grip Bench Press

Day 5- AM
6 X 6
A1- Leg Press
A2 Bicep Rope Curls
B1- Hammer Strength Low Rows
B2- Tricep Rope Extensions
C1- Power Clean and Press
C2- Hammer Curls
D1- V-bar Lat Pull-downs
D2- Decline Bench Press

Day 5- PM
4 X 10-12
A1- Front Squats
A2- Flat Bench Flies
B1- Walking Lunges
B2- Supinated (close grip) pull downs
C1- Bent Over one arm Rows
C2- Dips
D1- Seated Military Press
D2â¿¿Seated Alternating dumbbell curls

Day 6- Track workout- sprints/bleachers

Day 7- 30 min incline treadmill walking

Supplemental ab work will be done every other day, with 10 sets of calves on the alternate days. [/quote]

Well…it is insane :slight_smile: and I would need to know more about you before I could ‘approve’ of what you wrote above.

I pride myself on incredible work capacity and I could not do the above program unless on steroids and 10,000 calories per day. And that’s not to knock what you wrote, as you said, you think you can handle it but I have to wonder, if you can handle this…how built are you currently? you must be a truck!

You are suggesting 8 exercises at 6x6 for example. Even leaving a rep or two in the tank 4x6 would be more then enough in the first weeks otherwise you are doing 48 sets in a session (which you say you are used to) and day in day out, that’s not going to lead to growth. You will deplete your amino pool and unless you are scarfing down 6000 calories a day with at least 450 grams of protein as well as BCAA’s during your session, I see this as too much work.

Again, how built are you now, after all that super high volume?

The key to a HF program is the High Frequency, NOT the volume!

Accumulative volume is still similar to split programs but you cannot do that kind of volume that often.

If you wish to stick with it train:
Mon: am (heavy)and pm (medium)
Tue: pm (light)
Wed: am and pm
Thu: pm
Fri: am and pm
Sat: pm
Sun: off, no cardio either!

Do not train twice per day two days or more in a row. Not even Poliquin does that and he’s crazy!

Skip the cardio and stick with these parameters:

8x3 (6 exercises only), 4x6 (up to 8 exercises)
2x12 (up to 10 exercises)

4x6, 2x12
1x14

8x3, 4x6,
1x24

Hope that helps!

I seriously admire your desire and dedication but I do not think (and I might be off) that you are advanced enough to do what you wrote.

Doing 50 sets in a split and 50 sets in a full body is completely different.

Again, I might be off and you might be able to do it but boy, you need to eat a cow a day then :slight_smile:

Good luck with what you decide to do.
I’ll help anytime if I can.

Marc

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Thanks Mark for the reply. I’m actually not built very big… I just have incredible recovery ability and endurance. I have done 50-70 plus sets everyday this week in the gym and feel great. (push/pull/legs split twice a week each group).

I made some changes, does this look any better? I am not fond of the 8 X 3 because I don’t have a spotter and don’t feel comfortable going that heavy… so I changed the rep parameters around a bit… let me know if this looks any better… food wise, I will be eating lots and lots- taking in 3 grams protein per pound bodyweight, and 50 grams BCAAs at least each day.

Day 1- AM

7 X 5
A1 Back Squat
A2 Seated Row
B1 Push Press
B2 Barbell flat Bench Press
C1 Chin-ups
C2 Dips

Day 1- PM

4 X 8
A1 Front Squat
A2 T-Bar Row
B1 Dumbell Incline Bench Press
B2 Supinated Close Grip Lat Pulldowns
C1- Lying Leg Curls
C2 Lateral Raises
D1 Barbell Bicep Curls
D2 Close Grip Bench Press

Day 2- AM
4 X 12
A1- Back squat (3 X 12, 2 X 20)
A2 Bicep Rope Curls
B1- Straight legged Deadlifts
B2- Tricep Rope Extensions
C1- Power Clean and Press
C2- Hammer Curls
D1- V-bar Lat Pull-downs
D2- Decline Bench Press
E1- Rack Pulls
E2- V-up crunches

Day 3- AM
7X5
A1 Leg Press
A2 Bent Over Row
B1 Military Press
B2 DUmbell-Flies
C1 Chin-ups
C2 Dips

Day 3- PM
4 X 8
A1- Sumo Squats
A2- Flat Bench Press
B1- Walking Lunges
B2- Supinated (close grip) pull downs
C1- Bent Over one arm Rows
C2- Dips
D1- Seated Military Press
D2�??Seated Alternating dumbbell curls

Day 4- AM
Same as Day 2

Day 5- AM
7 X 5
A1- Back Squats
A2 Incline Bench Press
B1- Power Clean and Press
B2- Seated Row
C1- Chinups
C2- Dips

Day 5- PM
4 X 8
A1- Front Squats
A2- Hammer Strength wide grip chest press
B1- Walking Lunges
B2- Supinated (close grip) pull downs
C1- Bent Over one arm Rows
C2- Seated Military Press
D1- Lying Leg Curls
D2�??Hammer Curls

Day 6- Track workout- sprints/bleachers- I have to keep this in because I run this program each week for a bunch of people at my gym

Day 7- off

I’m also toying with the idea of something like this, based off of Charles’ super accumulation program…

Mon, Wed, Fri, AM-
A1- Back squat 6X8, 2 X 20, alternate Leg Press wed, back squat Fri
A2- staight leg deads 8 X8, lying leg curls wed, SLD Fri
B1- Chinups 8 X 8
B2- Dips- 8X8

PM-
A1- Clean and Press 8X8
A2- Incline Bench Press 8 X8
B1- Bent Over Barbell Row 8X8
B2- V-Bar Pull down 8X8

Tues, Thurs, Sat AM only-
A1- Front Squat 6 X 10 (Hacks on Thurs)
A2- Military Press 6 X10
B1- Close Grip Pullups 6 X 10
B2- T-Bar Row 6 X 10
C1- Barbell Curls 6 X 10
C2- Close Grip Bench Press 6 X 10
D1- Walking Lunges 6 X 10
D2- Lateral Raises 6 X 10

  • Calve work and ab work

Opinions? Thanks so much for your help!

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[quote]Disc Hoss wrote:
Hello Boys,

Got done with day 10 of Waterbury’s latest gig.

No depression, no loss of strength, no soreness after a day or two.

Stength went up every session and I actually hate to stop for the next 5 days. I dig the 20 minute workouts every day.

Will consider upping the volume for the second 10 day rotation.

Will post again after my initial 5 day recuperation phase is done and then again after the full 30.

This was easy…which makes me a bit worried. :wink:

DH

[/quote]

Ha, thanks for posting. I was wondering about you! Let’s see if you gained some size in 5 days.

Good luck,

Marc

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[quote]entheogens wrote:
Day 9:

Well, I continue to hit new PRs in both the deadlift, front squat and back squat. Go figure.

I am not sure what to make of this, as Poliquin indicates that, at this point, I should be decrementing weight. Perhaps it is indeed that I have not been going “ball to the walls”. I did go “balls to the walls” this morning and will continue to add intensity to my remaining workouts.

In any case, no matter what the results of the post-rest period brings, I have already hit much higher personal records in lifts that matter most to me.
So, that in itself means the program has been succesful for me.

A bit sore, a bit of joint pain but no depression yet, no reminiscing nostalgically about High School, neither do I feel compelled to go out and rent “Love Story” at Blockbuster.[/quote]

Sounds like indeed it has been a success. Perhaps going balls to walls isn’t needed?

Disc Hoss did not seem to get any of these signs either and got stronger too!

Perhaps Waterbury is more then right when it comes to HF training and going to failure…

Enjoy Love Story…:slight_smile:

My wife doesn’t need to be overtrained to cry her eyes out on that one…

marc

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[quote]skinnymuscles wrote:
I made some changes, does this look any better? I am not fond of the 8 X 3 because I don’t have a spotter and don’t feel comfortable going that heavy… so I changed the rep parameters around a bit… let me know if this looks any better… food wise, I will be eating lots and lots- taking in 3 grams protein per pound bodyweight, and 50 grams BCAAs at least each day.

Day 1- AM

7 X 5
A1 Back Squat
A2 Seated Row
B1 Push Press
B2 Barbell flat Bench Press
C1 Chin-ups
C2 Dips

Day 1- PM

4 X 8
A1 Front Squat
A2 T-Bar Row
B1 Dumbell Incline Bench Press
B2 Supinated Close Grip Lat Pulldowns
C1- Lying Leg Curls
C2 Lateral Raises
D1 Barbell Bicep Curls
D2 Close Grip Bench Press

Day 2- AM
4 X 12
A1- Back squat (3 X 12, 2 X 20)
A2 Bicep Rope Curls
B1- Straight legged Deadlifts
B2- Tricep Rope Extensions
C1- Power Clean and Press
C2- Hammer Curls
D1- V-bar Lat Pull-downs
D2- Decline Bench Press
E1- Rack Pulls
E2- V-up crunches

Day 3- AM
7X5
A1 Leg Press
A2 Bent Over Row
B1 Military Press
B2 DUmbell-Flies
C1 Chin-ups
C2 Dips

Day 3- PM
4 X 8
A1- Sumo Squats
A2- Flat Bench Press
B1- Walking Lunges
B2- Supinated (close grip) pull downs
C1- Bent Over one arm Rows
C2- Dips
D1- Seated Military Press
D2�??Seated Alternating dumbbell curls

Day 4- AM
Same as Day 2

Day 5- AM
7 X 5
A1- Back Squats
A2 Incline Bench Press
B1- Power Clean and Press
B2- Seated Row
C1- Chinups
C2- Dips

Day 5- PM
4 X 8
A1- Front Squats
A2- Hammer Strength wide grip chest press
B1- Walking Lunges
B2- Supinated (close grip) pull downs
C1- Bent Over one arm Rows
C2- Seated Military Press
D1- Lying Leg Curls
D2�??Hammer Curls

Day 6- Track workout- sprints/bleachers- I have to keep this in because I run this program each week for a bunch of people at my gym

Day 7- off

I’m also toying with the idea of something like this, based off of Charles’ super accumulation program…

Mon, Wed, Fri, AM-
A1- Back squat 6X8, 2 X 20, alternate Leg Press wed, back squat Fri
A2- staight leg deads 8 X8, lying leg curls wed, SLD Fri
B1- Chinups 8 X 8
B2- Dips- 8X8

PM-
A1- Clean and Press 8X8
A2- Incline Bench Press 8 X8
B1- Bent Over Barbell Row 8X8
B2- V-Bar Pull down 8X8

Tues, Thurs, Sat AM only-
A1- Front Squat 6 X 10 (Hacks on Thurs)
A2- Military Press 6 X10
B1- Close Grip Pullups 6 X 10
B2- T-Bar Row 6 X 10
C1- Barbell Curls 6 X 10
C2- Close Grip Bench Press 6 X 10
D1- Walking Lunges 6 X 10
D2- Lateral Raises 6 X 10

  • Calve work and ab work

Opinions? Thanks so much for your help![/quote]

SWEET JESUS :slight_smile:
You live in the gym don’t ya?
I cannot help but think that this is way too much and you have nowhere to go after this. I mean, how many sets and exercises are you going to do two weeks from now after you adapt to this (IF you adapt)?

Are you going to do 10x5 etc?
It is better to start with 24 reps total and build up to 36 (or even 50).

I would rather you do 5x5 (instead of 7x5) and 4x6, 3x8, 2x12 etc and if you adapt (again, IF) you can do 6x5 and 4x8 etc etc.

Your schedule is so high volume you really have nowhere to go UNLESS you just want to do this for 10-12 days and take 5-7 days off. I forgot to ask if that’s what you are trying to do! You mentioning your second option makes me wonder if I should have asked that first.

I initially responded thinking you wanted to start a longer term HF training program.

Is this your intention? Two crazy weeks, a week off and repeat?

In that case my answer would have been different and I like your second option better (as long as you do rest after 10-12 days!!!)

Let me know, OK?

Marc

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Thanks so much for your help Mark. You are correct, I was hoping for a longer term high frequency routine for my bulk. But see, the reason I have such high volume is because I am currently already doing over 60 sets each day in a single session… so I am trying to keep that (or increase on it) because I feel like my body has ALREADY adapted to it and its not difficult enough. for example, tuesday I did 50 sets for my back alone (followed by hamstrings and biceps). Yes, 50 sets just for back. I trained heavy and hard- reps never went over 10 and each set was almost till failure. So I feel like my body is in a state where I really need to push the limits.

So I’m kind of stuck I guess because I have been doing high volume and high intensity so long… there is no other way for me to progress?
So which of these routines do you feel would be best for me, and what are your opinions on the exercise selections/etc? Still think I should change the sets/rep scheme around?

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Interesting. 20 minutes? Holy shit you are in great shape. I took every single set to 1 rep shy of failure is that how you are doing this? By using that much weight I needed significant rest.

My strength also went up every session but the last one I believe. So you did get sore? I’m not sure I understand what you wrote about being sore.

I doubt someone as advanced as you will see arm growth but I’m anxious to see if you see chest and upper thigh growth like I did. I’m not as advanced as you though so maybe not. I love this stuff, can’t wait for the updates. I hope you Grow!

Was it hard to do the same thing day in and day out for you? I found that to be torture!

[quote]Disc Hoss wrote:
Hello Boys,

Got done with day 10 of Waterbury’s latest gig.

No depression, no loss of strength, no soreness after a day or two.

Stength went up every session and I actually hate to stop for the next 5 days. I dig the 20 minute workouts every day.

Will consider upping the volume for the second 10 day rotation.

Will post again after my initial 5 day recuperation phase is done and then again after the full 30.

This was easy…which makes me a bit worried. :wink:

DH

[/quote]

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IamMarqaos

That is exactly the kind of input I wanted, thank you.

I think instead of just 3 days then I’ll do add day 4 where I don’t do the heavy session only EDT for arms and shoulders as those are my biggest weaknesses. Thanks brother.

Here is what I’m thinking:

Day 1
Dead lift

EDT
Chin ups
Overhead press

EDT
Calves
1 legged dl

Day 2
DB Incline Press

EDT
Flat Cable Flyes
Cable Curls

EDT
Calves
Dips

Day 4
EDT
Cable curls
V-bar press downs

EDT
Lateral L-raises
Bent over flyes

Calves

Day 5
Front Squat

EDT
Lunges
Rows

EDT
Calves
Cable Curls

[quote]IamMarqaos wrote:
Standtall,

What you suggest after HF training works very well for me. I also, for mental purposes sometimes like to do splits, simply because they are fun to do and because they are not so draining. Pumping the heck out of a muscle is like a break for me.

I really like EDT 4-6 times per week or something like Coach Thib suggests. Also, in the weeks that I cannot go often I like a push pull schedule.

I have done what you are suggesting:
heavy exercise followed by two EDT sessions and that’s an awesome way to train.

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My God. Been following this thread on and off for a bit. What test a of will power. This program is not for me. I don’t like being depressed, but I gotta give respect to all that have success doing this insane program.

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That is soooo not true.

You could do some things to get much stronger and to allow your muscles to become more efficient in your 1rm, 3rm and 5rm.

For instance you could do a low volume push pull for 6 to 8 weeks starting with weights that are easy for say 6x3 and going up in percentage every week. This would teach your muscles not to hold onto “energy” for the very high volume you have accustomed them to. Then when you switch back to HF you will grow like a weed.

Their are many many ways to get bigger and stronger, it is all about forcing your body into something it is not used to doing. I doubt that you can seriously live in the gym all year round. So this is a good thing.

I hope this helps.

[quote]skinnymuscles wrote:
So I’m kind of stuck I guess because I have been doing high volume and high intensity so long… there is no other way for me to progress?

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Day 9.

Just came home. Train went fine, could up the weights another time. However, I pulled my right glute a bit which made the lower body work a little difficult. Could not go down all the way at lunges. But got still a good workout.
In the morning I felt like sh**. After my nap in the afternoon I felt better so that I coudl drag myself to the gym.

btw, stepped on the scale today: +2 kg Great results so far, I’m curious about what will happen while resting.

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[quote]IamMarqaos wrote:

Sounds like indeed it has been a success. Perhaps going balls to walls isn’t needed?

[/quote]

Today is Day 10. I have already done the AM exercises. Seems that I have peaked in the front squat. Kept the same weight as last time…at pretty much the same reps. Same goes for the dips and one-arm dumbell row as well as the power clean. I did do one extra set for the front squat. We’ll see what tonight’s workout (with deadlifts) brings.

I think that the sheer number of session has given me greater confidence in my technique, and, therefore, I have been able to (and felt more confident) to dare going beyond my self-imposed limits.

I could not go foward indefinitely with this type of workout, but I can imagine that more workouts per week of shorter duration (but intense)workouts might be of benefit. Maybe 5 workouts a week of 30-35 minutes…going heavy, doing triples or 4 or 5s. My usual workouts are done 3x per week of 45-60 minutes.

I made a decision last night. After my 5 day rest, I intend to start another super-accumulation two-week cycle; however, with a different emphasis. Basically I have been wanting to improve my Clean and been wanting to learn to Snatch. So, those shall be the focus/center. In addition to the actual exercises themselves (clean and snatch) I will do auxillary exercises.

Still, I am not feeling overwhelmed by fatigue but am looking forward to the 5 days off. I have no way of knowing if my Total T has diminished, but I am getting Morning Wood, so I guess that the fact that His Majesty has not gone South would indicate that neither have the T-levels.

Am enjoying reading everyone’s posts and appreciate the help that Marqaos is providing.

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More exciting news.

I finished my second 10 day cycle yesterday.

More measurements went up.
arms 1/4 inch up
calves 1/4 inch up
forearms 1/2 inch up
neck 3/4 inch up
chest 1/2 inch up

Weight up 2 more lbs. fat down

An old Japanese/Hawiian guy that works at the gym told me I’m getting too big. :slight_smile: I loved that comment!

My special forces buddy asked my what I was cycling as in steroids. lol he is on what he calls “man pills”

IamMarq or DH

I was thinking of only taking 3 days off since not everyday was full body, my next phase is much more infrequent, and I didn’t grow during the time off last time. Thoughts?

Thanks folks.

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[quote]StandTall wrote:
More exciting news.

I finished my second 10 day cycle yesterday.

More measurements went up.
arms 1/4 inch up
calves 1/4 inch up
forearms 1/2 inch up
neck 3/4 inch up
chest 1/2 inch up

Weight up 2 more lbs. fat down

An old Japanese/Hawiian guy that works at the gym told me I’m getting too big. :slight_smile: I loved that comment!

My special forces buddy asked my what I was cycling as in steroids. lol he is on what he calls “man pills”

IamMarq or DH

I was thinking of only taking 3 days off since not everyday was full body, my next phase is much more infrequent, and I didn’t grow during the time off last time. Thoughts?

Thanks folks.[/quote]

Wow! Great job!! Those are crazy good results!

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[quote]StandTall wrote:
More exciting news.

I finished my second 10 day cycle yesterday.

More measurements went up.
arms 1/4 inch up
calves 1/4 inch up
forearms 1/2 inch up
neck 3/4 inch up
chest 1/2 inch up

Weight up 2 more lbs. fat down

An old Japanese/Hawiian guy that works at the gym told me I’m getting too big. :slight_smile: I loved that comment!

My special forces buddy asked my what I was cycling as in steroids. lol he is on what he calls “man pills”

IamMarq or DH

I was thinking of only taking 3 days off since not everyday was full body, my next phase is much more infrequent, and I didn’t grow during the time off last time. Thoughts?

Thanks folks.[/quote]

Oh yeah - one thing I never asked you - what type of diet do you use?

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Yeah, I took 40 sec breaks on the heavy day, 50s on the medium rep day, and 60s on the high rep day.

My joints felt a little sore and I had that old dry bones feeling for a day or two after the start.

Then during the session I would suck wind pretty good, but that seemed to be the body “complaining”, so I didn’t listen.

Slept like a rock and was sure that each day I’d be sore and tired, but I wasn’t. Got about 9-11 hours of sleep though.

I do feel some fatigue left in the shoulder girdle even now, but it’s has that superficial feel.

I kept adding weight and trying to increase rep speed throughout. I do believe that in the interet of critical analysis, we can attribute some strength gain to the new movements and the fact that most were unilateral. Proficiency should increase pretty rapidly from these factors alone.

I will say that I included vertical pressing and pulling both in EVERY session. Waterbury had them rotating. And for the 5 minute session I usually did a pre-hab scapular motion, a lateral or posterior delt move, a forearm movement, and either a bicep or tricep movement. About 4 movements all together in the 5 minute free zone.

I’m going to push it a little harder in the next 10 cycle beginning on Tuesday.

Best,
DH

and[quote]StandTall wrote:
Interesting. 20 minutes? Holy shit you are in great shape. I took every single set to 1 rep shy of failure is that how you are doing this? By using that much weight I needed significant rest.

My strength also went up every session but the last one I believe. So you did get sore? I’m not sure I understand what you wrote about being sore.

I doubt someone as advanced as you will see arm growth but I’m anxious to see if you see chest and upper thigh growth like I did. I’m not as advanced as you though so maybe not. I love this stuff, can’t wait for the updates. I hope you Grow!

Was it hard to do the same thing day in and day out for you? I found that to be torture!

Disc Hoss wrote:
Hello Boys,

Got done with day 10 of Waterbury’s latest gig.

No depression, no loss of strength, no soreness after a day or two.

Stength went up every session and I actually hate to stop for the next 5 days. I dig the 20 minute workouts every day.

Will consider upping the volume for the second 10 day rotation.

Will post again after my initial 5 day recuperation phase is done and then again after the full 30.

This was easy…which makes me a bit worried. :wink:

DH

[/quote]

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Hey Sarah

I like to do the AD I think it is the end all be all diet/lifestyle, Thanks to DH. The guy is a total monster and has been on the diet for like 15 years or something crazy. I’m subject to whatever foods the chow hall serves here in Afghanistan though so the AD is not an option. I eat as low carb as possible here.

One thing I can count on is eggs every morning. I ask for six scrambled with peppers and cheese. :slight_smile:

Thank you for the complements.

[quote]sarah1 wrote:
StandTall wrote:
More exciting news.

I finished my second 10 day cycle yesterday.

More measurements went up.
arms 1/4 inch up
calves 1/4 inch up
forearms 1/2 inch up
neck 3/4 inch up
chest 1/2 inch up

Weight up 2 more lbs. fat down

An old Japanese/Hawiian guy that works at the gym told me I’m getting too big. :slight_smile: I loved that comment!

My special forces buddy asked my what I was cycling as in steroids. lol he is on what he calls “man pills”

IamMarq or DH

I was thinking of only taking 3 days off since not everyday was full body, my next phase is much more infrequent, and I didn’t grow during the time off last time. Thoughts?

Thanks folks.

Oh yeah - one thing I never asked you - what type of diet do you use?
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DH thank you for answering my question. You are always a big help and I think you are right about the strength increases being becuase they were both unilateral and somewhat unfamiliar. Thank you for your opinion on that also.

I’m going to keep pestering you and telling you that you should write your own book. It could be structured similar to Chad’s.

When I open my gym in Colorado Springs I’m going to try to pull you out of Iowa to come do your own thing and make lots of money while helping others get huge.

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Hey all,

Out of country till 22nd.
Limited internet available.
Will check in any chance I get!

Good luck.

StandTall, DH, Doug…thanks for chiming in and offering the benefit of your considerable experience.

Skinnymuscles…good luck and I’ll try to respond when I have access again (might be a day or two).

Sarah1…keep it up!

German-guy: hope you are gaining and resting well!

entheogens: thanks for making me laugh and for posting with much detail. Looking forward to reading more results from you!

Dips33: keep it up buddy! Awesome results!

you too Dsmoove!

Gotta run, if I forgot someone, my apologies, keep us posted!

Marc