can some one shed some light on what the best training program would be during a cycle of test prop & masteron with t3’s? Ive been doing the full body workout programs recently, but would like to know should i be doing something else when i start this cycle
Thanks in advance guys
Add cardio. Lots of it.
What training program you do is not dependant on what supplementation you are using, it is dependant on what you want to achieve physically.
Each Steroid compound does not come with it own recommended exercises
[quote]electric_eales wrote:
What training program you do is not dependant on what supplementation you are using, it is dependant on what you want to achieve physically.
Each Steroid compound does not come with it own recommended exercises
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Exactly. Your goals should determine what training program you undertake.
Actually guys, i am pretty sure when you are on prop, mast, and T3’s, you are supposed to do 12 sets of barbell curls, 12 sets of skull crushers, and then 4 different exercises for abs. this is the arm/ab routine proscribed by award winning strength&conditioning specialist Bill Sanderson that will make you Hyooge.
If what you were doing is working, why would you stop?
christ, you guys are helpful.
okay, let me change the question, is there any guys out there that use AAS that know how to diet, how to use cardio, ever try a specific traiing program from T-Nation, to aid fat loss, for example 10 x 3 by Waterbury.
What im wanting to understand is, due to the use of aas, does this change a certain training schedule, due to change in body chemistry with the gear, ie. more recovery potential etc etc.
[quote]electric_eales wrote:
What training program you do is not dependant on what supplementation you are using, it is dependant on what you want to achieve physically.
Each Steroid compound does not come with it own recommended exercises
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That is too simplistic an answer. While each steroid compound does not come with recommended exercises, I train differently when adding mass and dieting [on or off steroids]. I always lift heavy weights. But even heavier when dieting and back off on the volume a bit. Steroids do help with maintaining volume as much as possible on a diet. The type and frequency of cardio also varies for most on a gaining and mass phase and also between a natural fat-loss phase and a steroid-assisted fat-loss phase.
what these guys are trying to tell you is that AAS will not determine your program…your physique goals should determine your program, the gear will just make it so you see better results.
Anything in a 4-12 rep range is a good strategy on gear. You have a much higher work capacity on gear so adding sets is a good strategy as well. You will also recover a lot faster so working a muscle group every 6 days now becomes every 3 days with no problems if you are doing a split. If you are doing full body training with good results then stick with it until the results diminish and then switch it up again. More people tend to go with a body part split than full body workouts on gear because you can really hammer a muscle group and then do it again soon because of the improved recovery.
Personally I think as long as you are improving (lifting more weight, more times, for more sets) you should see some pretty good improvements in your body comp.
If you wanna lean out do your full weight workout and then do a cardio session after. The added endurance from the gear should make it so you are able to have a decent run even if you have been doing heavy lifting.
Getting lean is about cals in vs cals out. You gotta diet to lose. If you are eating below what you are expending you will drop weight…it’s the body’s only option. The gear will make sure that you are dropping fat instead of muscle when you are in a calorie deficit.
Whatever you do if you are eating right and busting your balls in the gym you will see results on gear. doesn’t matter what your program is.
[quote]bigbeef wrote:
christ, you guys are helpful.
okay, let me change the question, is there any guys out there that use AAS that know how to diet, how to use cardio, ever try a specific traiing program from T-Nation, to aid fat loss, for example 10 x 3 by Waterbury.
What im wanting to understand is, due to the use of aas, does this change a certain training schedule, due to change in body chemistry with the gear, ie. more recovery potential etc etc.[/quote]
I Waterbury’s 10x3 for fat loss would be a fine program for fat loss. I like to do intense full-body workouts for on a fatloss phase. Gear does help with recovery. Typically when dieting strictly, I need two days between fullbody workouts. With gear, fullbody MWF works well.
Bushy makes a good point.
I can run for 25 miles on a given week, but if my nutrient breakdown and caloric intake are horribly off, I can end up putting some weight on.
why don’t you try a 2 day split, and do it 4 times a week. do cardio 5 times a week. sooo, you would have an upper body day, and then a lower body day. do cardio after weights on the upper body, cardio before on the lower body… and do low intensity cardio an additional 1-2 days. there, is that good enough? start with your back exercises on the upper body days, so you don’t encourage/increase protraction…
[quote]muscle_meathead wrote:
why don’t you try a 2 day split, and do it 4 times a week. do cardio 5 times a week. sooo, you would have an upper body day, and then a lower body day. do cardio after weights on the upper body, cardio before on the lower body… and do low intensity cardio an additional 1-2 days. there, is that good enough? start with your back exercises on the upper body days, so you don’t encourage/increase protraction…[/quote]
Shouldn’t this be after weights on lower body days and before weights on upper body days?
why do you say that? If you do the cardio after on leg days, your legs will be too exhausted to push for your cardio. and on your upper body days, you will mobilize more stored fatty acids into the bloodstream because you burned most of your carbs since you did the weights before. What is your reasoning for what you said?
thanks guys. sorry i didnt point out before, my diet is tight and the cardio is no probs. got extremely lean in the past using simple splits routines.
ive got a lot of muscle and the catabolism is a big concern, hence the gear. Never followed T-Nation style routines before and wanted some straight talking answers.
Thanks for your help fellas
[quote]muscle_meathead wrote:
why do you say that? If you do the cardio after on leg days, your legs will be too exhausted to push for your cardio. and on your upper body days, you will mobilize more stored fatty acids into the bloodstream because you burned most of your carbs since you did the weights before. What is your reasoning for what you said?[/quote]
My reasoning is that legs would be too drained from the steady state cardio to do what you need to do with the weights. In fact, if it were me, I would always do cardio after any weight training session, just so that my lifting sessions are of the highest quaility. I only need to get my heart rate up a little for the cardio, not go all out, and it will already be elevated from the training session.
You could be right, too, though, I’m not really dogmatic about any of this.
[quote]bigbeef wrote:
christ, you guys are helpful.
okay, let me change the question, is there any guys out there that use AAS that know how to diet, how to use cardio, ever try a specific traiing program from T-Nation, to aid fat loss, for example 10 x 3 by Waterbury.
What im wanting to understand is, due to the use of aas, does this change a certain training schedule, due to change in body chemistry with the gear, ie. more recovery potential etc etc.[/quote]
Whatever program made the mass for you will help you keep it.
Cardio and diet are the factors that change body composition.
There is more recovery potential, but you damamge the muscle more because of the strenght increase so it balances out.
thanks.
I was also considering using this time to rebalance my physique and focus on weak areas. Im not sure if this would be a good idea? what do you guys think?
I like to do my cardio after weights as well, but when it comes down to it, I can not really do any leg based cardio after a leg-weights day, because the mossles just do not want to go any more.