[quote]Aragorn wrote:
typing on my phone and it sucks, so sworry for the typos…Good points onthe cardio Way. But consider this, to everybody… I am not sure what you all saw during the Daryl Gee project, outside of a marketing opportinity of course–but given that their supps are great I cant really hold it against them–but I personally saw dramatic result and improvement in the back, conditioning, and overall package with CT’s method.
And yes, to whomever asked it earlier in the thread Gee did push the prowler outside of eccentricless training. He did no normal cardio, and did all eccenteicless work and prowler pushing/pulling. Results, what, up about 10 lbs with a dramatically improved back and great conditioning?
I personally would call that pretty damned impressive results from “nonconventional” cardio (ie: prowler) along with non-conventional training methods (all the things CT is doing now–max reps circuits, eccentricless work, a lot of the activation work, and hypertrophy circuits, active rest).
One thing about bodybuilding is that it is a pretty odd mixture of cutting edge and stubborn pigheadedness. there are lots of things that bbers do not do that might dramatically improve their results–and there are lots of things that they were waaaay ahead of the rest of the training world on. I cant blame them for it too much–as somebody said earlier their job is to win competitions and they are not there to experiment when it comes down ro wat they know works.
However, they do seem to get stuck in, the mud somtimes and miss something. CT proved his methods wth Daryl–whether it works for all and sundry who knows: but one integral piece of the puzzle that people miss is that CT’s current methods are centrally founded on the peri-workout nutrition he has access to in Biotests stuff (i am not gonna say that nothing else is any good, even though Biotest I my fav).
So, what I am saying is, dont poo poo the prowler for contest prep just yet. Gee wasnt the only one–pics of another canadian that CT is training show him doing the same thing and in excellent condition. CT is doing this across the board with his competitive clienta and they all seem to be responding.
I am not saying that the prowler will take the bb world by storm. Just that he is consistntly getting results and it bears serious consideration before ya’ll dismiss the idea because “if it really worked that well dont you think xxxxx name would use it”. The crowd isnt always right–in fact, often the crowd is dead wrong. Lets not forget that it even took the athletic traoning world a fair amount of time to buy into the prowler, even though its benefits are self-apparent for athletics. Now, of course, you can find them all around everywhere, and in all catalogues, even Dicks Sporting goods.
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Most exercises work something they’re all tools. The problem is when a new idea comes around (even though prowler is not new) they want to apply it to everyone. X is significantly higher bf then Gee. I honestly think he can lose at least another 10lbs of fat without losing muscle maybe even gaining. Therefore prowler pushes would probably build his legs more than hurt them. The guy who’s pic CT showed was even at a higher BF then Gee. This doesn’t mean you turn around and apply it to every BB. Gee might’ve noticed it wasn’t giving him the effect he wanted.
Prowler pushes is essentially the same thing football players have been pushing since the beginning of football time. Same thing with Track athletes and any sport that requires leg strength, so I don’t see how it took the athletic community so long to accept it?
BB are not all one people. I would say 90% of them played all kinds of sports and tried tons of different things. The reason most things are staples are because they tried them and didn’t work. Problem is at what level where they where it doesn’t work.