[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
Around precontest time AAS doses go way up, large amounts of HGH are used and T3 (thyroid hormone) is implemented. At that point you become a fat burning machine. That, paired with good genetics and so much muscle mass allows for that fat to be burned relatively easily with diet in place. The HIIT stuff just isn’t necessary for someone using all of that and it would likely inhibit recovery for their weight training sessions. This is just my opinion on what I’ve observed so don’t take it for gospel.
If a time comes when I start using HGH and T3 I’ll let you know if it holds any water lol.[/quote]
Interesting stuff way, along the same lines, before the supps, did you require more morning cardio etc. to keep you reasonably lean when gaining? Idk if you did the whole low bodyfat thing before then, can’t quite remember the timescale. I remember you saying something along the lines of that adding fasted/semi-fasted morning cardio had literally no downsides and was something you would do from “then on” regardless of goals. Still the case?[/quote]
I don’t do any cardio right now and haven’t for a long time. I’d like to test out the car pushes though. I definitely didn’t stay at low BF levels when gaining, my diet was “terrible” and I didn’t really stick with the DC style 3x/week morning cardio for long, just didn’t like it after a while.
I wouldn’t touch fasted cardio without supps and I wouldn’t suggest it for a natty either, there’s been some interesting articles put out lately in strength and conditioning journals on that topic.
Sorry, I change my training ideas/methods pretty often haha. Always learning new stuff.
[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
What CT said was that at 6 foot, Prof X would weigh 215 maybe 220 on stage and CT subtracts 5 lbs per inch of height. So unless X magically grew 2 inches, his contest weight would be around 205, which makes sense to me.[/quote]
I dunno Way - you would know better than me. [/quote]
I mean I’m scaling for height here. I was under the impression that he was 5’10 this whole time so when he Prof X said on the forums he would be 220 on stage I lmao. But CT actually said 215 and MAYBE 220 at 6 feet. I can see 215 @ 6 feet for him.
Ct thought I was 6 feet tall. I am not sure what point some are making, but it seemed like too many are caught up in numbers.
Most people seem to assume I am six feet tall. The military seems to take about an inch or two off of what most people THINK are their real measurements…meaning in shoes, you would probably see me as being about “six feet tall” like most do.
[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
Around precontest time AAS doses go way up, large amounts of HGH are used and T3 (thyroid hormone) is implemented. At that point you become a fat burning machine. That, paired with good genetics and so much muscle mass allows for that fat to be burned relatively easily with diet in place. The HIIT stuff just isn’t necessary for someone using all of that and it would likely inhibit recovery for their weight training sessions. This is just my opinion on what I’ve observed so don’t take it for gospel.
If a time comes when I start using HGH and T3 I’ll let you know if it holds any water lol.[/quote]
Interesting stuff way, along the same lines, before the supps, did you require more morning cardio etc. to keep you reasonably lean when gaining? Idk if you did the whole low bodyfat thing before then, can’t quite remember the timescale. I remember you saying something along the lines of that adding fasted/semi-fasted morning cardio had literally no downsides and was something you would do from “then on” regardless of goals. Still the case?[/quote]
I don’t do any cardio right now and haven’t for a long time. I’d like to test out the car pushes though. I definitely didn’t stay at low BF levels when gaining, my diet was “terrible” and I didn’t really stick with the DC style 3x/week morning cardio for long, just didn’t like it after a while.
I wouldn’t touch fasted cardio without supps and I wouldn’t suggest it for a natty either, there’s been some interesting articles put out lately in strength and conditioning journals on that topic.
Sorry, I change my training ideas/methods pretty often haha. Always learning new stuff. [/quote]
Does anyone recommend truly fasted? Even Lyle Mcdonald recommends some BCAA or 20g whey. My arms shrank so fast when I tried it.
[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
Around precontest time AAS doses go way up, large amounts of HGH are used and T3 (thyroid hormone) is implemented. At that point you become a fat burning machine. That, paired with good genetics and so much muscle mass allows for that fat to be burned relatively easily with diet in place. The HIIT stuff just isn’t necessary for someone using all of that and it would likely inhibit recovery for their weight training sessions. This is just my opinion on what I’ve observed so don’t take it for gospel.
If a time comes when I start using HGH and T3 I’ll let you know if it holds any water lol.[/quote]
Interesting stuff way, along the same lines, before the supps, did you require more morning cardio etc. to keep you reasonably lean when gaining? Idk if you did the whole low bodyfat thing before then, can’t quite remember the timescale. I remember you saying something along the lines of that adding fasted/semi-fasted morning cardio had literally no downsides and was something you would do from “then on” regardless of goals. Still the case?[/quote]
I don’t do any cardio right now and haven’t for a long time. I’d like to test out the car pushes though. I definitely didn’t stay at low BF levels when gaining, my diet was “terrible” and I didn’t really stick with the DC style 3x/week morning cardio for long, just didn’t like it after a while.
I wouldn’t touch fasted cardio without supps and I wouldn’t suggest it for a natty either, there’s been some interesting articles put out lately in strength and conditioning journals on that topic.
Sorry, I change my training ideas/methods pretty often haha. Always learning new stuff. [/quote]
Does anyone recommend truly fasted? Even Lyle Mcdonald recommends some BCAA or 20g whey. My arms shrank so fast when I tried it.[/quote]
Does anyone recommend truly fasted? Even Lyle Mcdonald recommends some BCAA or 20g whey. My arms shrank so fast when I tried it.[/quote]
It was how things used to be…do cardio on an empty stomach. I think cardio itself is highly overrated now for simple body comp. It does hinder muscle gains. It does cause more muscle loss. I dropped that weight a few months ago without it at all aside from a few days on a bike. I doubt most could get really lean without it at all, but I hate to see it recommended everywhere as if everyone needs more cardio all of the time.
I didn’t hear about bcaa’s for cardio until around 1998 the first time. Ten years later, I think leucine is invaluable and that bcaa’s don’t get enough attention.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Ct thought I was 6 feet tall. I am not sure what point some are making, but it seemed like too many are caught up in numbers.
Most people seem to assume I am six feet tall. The military seems to take about an inch or two off of what most people THINK are their real measurements…meaning in shoes, you would probably see me as being about “six feet tall” like most do.
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just about everybody except the “mini-thor” seems about 6 feet tall to me.
my 0000.2 ceents on conditioning…take with a grain of salt, since i am still in no way as lean as Way, CT, or even X…
but, I have lost over 25lbs and for me, leaned out tremendously the last 2 years.
I went from 255-260 to 225-230, went from a size 40 in my waist to a 34-36(depends on brand, some fit looser in the hips and legs than others, and went went from a xxl shirt to just a large.
I now have vascularity pretty much everywhere, even my thighs and traps and lats, upper arms, whatever, etc.
I have pics on my hub.
i still eat like shit. pizza, burgers, rice and beans, ice cream, cookies, you name it.
what i did was this:
conditioning: prowler and hill sprints took this TOO FAR at first, leading up to my wedding I got under 218lbs, but i looked soft and flabby, cept for my calves. still hit the hills or prowler 1-3 times a week
stop late night eating. I eat whatever, as much as i want, but i fast 4-6 hours before i sleep.
train EVERY DAY, with total body workouts. not the typical TBT you see a new program here every other week, but I pretty much train like an olympic lifter now. I only do 6 lifts, FS, DL, snatch, cleans, jerk/push press, and pendaley rows(used to be chns, but my recent neck injury, i can no longer do chins or dips)
finally got with the right doctor and got my hormones fixed. working a high stress night shift job and getting NO sleep due to several chronic injuries, and pain, my hormone levels were a MESS.
HRT has helped tremendously. I am nowhere near super physiologic levels, but i am damn near optimal for my age. anybody who wants to know specifically what I am taking can pm me, I am not ashamed and very open about it.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Ct thought I was 6 feet tall. I am not sure what point some are making, but it seemed like too many are caught up in numbers.
Most people seem to assume I am six feet tall. The military seems to take about an inch or two off of what most people THINK are their real measurements…meaning in shoes, you would probably see me as being about “six feet tall” like most do.
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just about everybody except the “mini-thor” seems about 6 feet tall to me.[/quote]
LOL!
I can’t believe you just said that! I was going to post that EVERYONE looks 6’ tall to me!
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Ct thought I was 6 feet tall. I am not sure what point some are making, but it seemed like too many are caught up in numbers.
Most people seem to assume I am six feet tall. The military seems to take about an inch or two off of what most people THINK are their real measurements…meaning in shoes, you would probably see me as being about “six feet tall” like most do.
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Ever think of getting your bf% checked via hydrostatic weighing? It’s only like $50 at Pitt. Not sure what it would be where you’re at. Might give you a better idea of where you’re at.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Ct thought I was 6 feet tall. I am not sure what point some are making, but it seemed like too many are caught up in numbers.
Most people seem to assume I am six feet tall. The military seems to take about an inch or two off of what most people THINK are their real measurements…meaning in shoes, you would probably see me as being about “six feet tall” like most do.
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Ever think of getting your bf% checked via hydrostatic weighing? It’s only like $50 at Pitt. Not sure what it would be where you’re at. Might give you a better idea of where you’re at.[/quote]
I’m not really worried about what my number is. I am assuming these numbers really bother some people. That is why I avoided even mentioning how much I weigh until recently.
I couldn’t care less what my number is considering the goal is a certain look. If I reach that look, I won’t care one bit whether that is a specific and legit “%” or not. I do know the last time I was read at 20% body fat, my waist was about 3" bigger than this…and right now, my waist is smaller than it was when I got into the military.
Thats what I don’t get. I’ve got beginner development and beginner-intermediate strength so I stay away from posting recommendations but I don’t get the mentality of some of this training. Chad Waterbury just posted an article about how bodyweight exercises are better than any weighted exercise for muscle growth. Seriously??? I asked him why NO bodybuilders do that for their main form of muscle growth and he said it was ego and they don’t have access in normal gyms. As if people killing themselves to win BBing shows wouldn’t get some rings and whatnot to perform BW exercises if it was the key strategy…or even helpful.
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Years ago, a lot of old-school bodybuilders trained with bodyweight exercises and gymnastic apparatus. Bodybuilding back then was parter of a larger, more general emphasis on physical culture and well-being.
Modern bodybuilding has become a specialized pursuit of gaining the maximum amount of lean weight, so bodyweight progressions are no longer a practical means for training at advanced levels, because increasing bodyweight will stop you from getting to the advanced progressions needed to increase mass. It’s a catch-22.
It’s also not time-efficient: even some intermediate-level bodyweight progressions require considerable joint prep. I’ve heard of some heavier guys taking months to go from a normal dip into a Russian dip (where your forearms touch the bars). Muscular strength isn’t the limiting factor; it’s your connective tissues. Spending months on joint conditioning just to execute the next progression without inflicting a crippling injury on yourself is not the point.
To look at the situation in reverse, many of the more muscular-looking gymnasts lift weights in addition to their regular training, probably because of the long periods of catch-up between progressions at advanced levels.
I agree…once they are really lean. I know from years of experience how my body responds. I know by this conditioning training, my body will react in a positive way at least up until I drop more. As far as taking it beyond that into true contest shape, I am open to ideas. We will have to see what happens, I guess.[/quote]
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]xilinx wrote:
Does anyone recommend truly fasted? Even Lyle Mcdonald recommends some BCAA or 20g whey. My arms shrank so fast when I tried it.[/quote]
It was how things used to be…do cardio on an empty stomach. I think cardio itself is highly overrated now for simple body comp. It does hinder muscle gains. It does cause more muscle loss. I dropped that weight a few months ago without it at all aside from a few days on a bike. I doubt most could get really lean without it at all, but I hate to see it recommended everywhere as if everyone needs more cardio all of the time.
I didn’t hear about bcaa’s for cardio until around 1998 the first time. Ten years later, I think leucine is invaluable and that bcaa’s don’t get enough attention.[/quote]
After 3 fairly serious cuts I’ve gathered that as for cardio…I have no idea lol. I could tell you what 1000 different coaches say and what works for others but as for me yea…This cut I lost most of the fat with no cardio at all (which I’ve never done). Then went on a cruise and ate a shit ton. Getting up to tons of cardio after that I got to only about 0.75in less on my waistline compared to when I did no cardio. But at the same time I was stalled out without cardio so it seemed necessary. BUT i’ve noticed when I take away cardio when the cut is over I continue to lean out for another 1-3 weeks (Lyle Mcdonald calls in the “long term delated fat loss effect” if I recall correctly).
All I can say I’m positive of is 1. completely fasted resulted in no strength/muscle loss for me and 2. Last year I was doing HIIT on a treadmill (so high intensity AND high impact), when I took it away in the middle of the cut I quickly regained strength I lost so I don’t think I’ll be doing HIIT again unless on a bike or other low impact machine.
I like the ideas of BCAA’s but unfortunately I saw no difference when starting and stopping them even at 15-20g per day. Same with creatine monohydrate.
David, don’t take this the wrong way but your opinions on this don’t really hold much water in establishing the norm. A lot of these things aren’t even noticeable until you have an appreciable amount of muscle. An advanced lifter is going to notice things like muscle loss from fasted cardio and the effectiveness of BCAA’s/EAA’s etc much more than you would.
Someone close to their genetic ceiling is MUCH more likely to lose muscle then your average gym goer. Just because YOU don’t notice results at your current development doesn’t mean these things aren’t having a positive or negative affect on your body, it’s just to a lesser degree and will largely go unnoticed until you reach that advanced stage.
Only gay insecure deuce need to prove all that, real men just shut up and lift we don’t brag or post gay pics of anything, this statement was
not to insult the genuine fruitcakes that actually like to put picture of themselves and stat to find their long lost soul mate on here.
Only gay insecure deuce need to prove all that, real men just shut up and lift we don’t brag or post gay pics of anything, this statement was
not to insult the genuine fruitcakes that actually like to put picture of themselves and stat to find their long lost soul mate on here.
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? I can’t tell if your poppin at me or the other guy. If your guna insult someone, tell them that you could beat them in a bb comp then prove it. He hasn’t got a pic of himself or any stats about himself. So how can you go throiwing shit around?
[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
David, don’t take this the wrong way but your opinions on this don’t really hold much water in establishing the norm. A lot of these things aren’t even noticeable until you have an appreciable amount of muscle. An advanced lifter is going to notice things like muscle loss from fasted cardio and the effectiveness of BCAA’s/EAA’s etc much more than you would.
Someone close to their genetic ceiling is MUCH more likely to lose muscle then your average gym goer. Just because YOU don’t notice results at your current development doesn’t mean these things aren’t having a positive or negative affect on your body, it’s just to a lesser degree and will largely go unnoticed until you reach that advanced stage.[/quote]
Yea very true, given my development I try not to post any advice or whatnot because of the reason you stated. I just figured I’d write up what I’ve noticed lol. The creatine/BCAA thing does surprise me though…I would expect someone with less muscle to have to worry less about muscle loss from fasted cardio but I would expect those 2 supplements to be noticeable at any given level but I saw zero difference in results when going on and off them. Not even water weight from creatine (not that I would necessarily want that). So I just stopped wasting the money.