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[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
Well, well… this thread has ended up smelling like piss.
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I almost pissed myself when reading this, thanks for the laugh IW.[/quote]
“IW”? is that like an Iron Wharf?
(pic is of Anchor Iron Wharf in Greenwich)[/quote]
LMFAO!!!
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Sperm is a terrible thing to waste!
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Sperm is a terrible thing to waste![/quote]
Way too easy.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
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Sperm is a terrible thing to waste![/quote]
Way too easy.[/quote]
You think THAT was easy?
You should see my -
Wait wut?
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HE went to Colorado because he has a million posts, he’s a “level 4” and people know who he is. Whether you love him or hate him almost everyone watched the videos which is exactly what Biotest wants.
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tons of unbridled truth in this post. please do not read if you are mentally fragile.
[quote]Matt Szwarz wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Matt Szwarz wrote:
I understand there seems to be a big trend or fad so to say with all this prowler and sled work for conditioning and body composition…now having tried both myself and from a “bodybuilding” not performance point of view, nothing ever beat fasted steady state cardio in the morning followed later on in the evening with an intense weight session…
low intense cardio just enough to burn the excess fat combined with heavy weight training seems to work well for many other bodybuilders as well (both enhanced and natural)…To each his own however there is many ways to skin a cat.[/quote]
Good post…and overall, I agree. However, I think the reason it was focused on with me is that I have never been leaned down to sub-10% levels as that was never a goal. For someone like that who already has the size, I can see how conditioning training by itself can have a large effect…and trust me, I do think some are missing how important the nutrition aspect is to having this work in a BODYBUILDING sense.
Without that nutrition strategy, I would not expect to see the same results.
CT flat out said in CO that you won’t see the same effect without it. I don’t know if they taped him saying it.[/quote]
Agreed…I think we both understand that the DIET itself and the nutritional aspect needs to be covered to full extinct first before any type of conditioning or cardio can be added…Since this is the Bodybuilding form i still go back to all the bodybuilders around that i know anyway. When it comes time to cut down a bit for either an upcoming show or guest pose all chose to do low-moderate steady state cardio. Wether that means walking on a tredmil or doing the stairmaster fasted steady state seems to be the most favourable method for most pf them. Like i previously stated i think most bodybuilders just want that low impact slow cardio to keep their energy levels up for weight sessions later in the day…infact i recently had this discussion with IFBB pro Fouad Abiad who lives in the same apartment as me…he has chosen to sit out this years olympia and focus specifically on the Arnold classic in March…Having trained with him quite a bit over the year i know for a fact that he relies only on the stairmaster and tredmill for his cardio…I don’t even think he would know what a prowler is LOL…Again many different ways to “get in shape” steady state seems to be the most popular but then again people are having great success with all this sled and car pushing activity…In your case X i think pushing a prowler would a great tool to add to your regime knowing that your diet and nutrition is already covered…it will be interesting to see your progress as you continue towards your goals…best of luck! [/quote]
What is the influence of ‘special supplements’ to this equation, in your opinion? don’t Way and Abiad change the rules of retaining muscle with their use?
[quote]pumped340 wrote:
HE went to Colorado because he has a million posts, he’s a “level 4” and people know who he is. Whether you love him or hate him almost everyone watched the videos which is exactly what Biotest wants.
and what is this “to ensure at least a few of the forum posters don’t end up like you did” business to Skynett…He’s a big dude.
As for the weight…numbers don’t lie. If you agree he’s at least 20% bodyfat you really can’t make an argument against what I said. Maybe CT meant 40lb of pure fat to lose. [/quote]
LO fucking L, you again. Lots of people have plenty oif posts AND are Level 4’s. Lots of people know who imhungry is for example. They took him there because they KNOW he has the potential to do and win an amateur comp. Sadly that wont materialize but its nothing your skinny-fat ass shd be concerned with.
I repeat, WHO the fuck is going to take your word over that of CT’s who said it ON FUCKING VIDEO.
And no, Skynett is NOT a big dude lol. He is NOT a long diet away from being an in-condition bodybuilder. HE has no density and his poor flexing attempts show exactly what hapens when you fuck it all up.
And you’re the waste of skin who went around making stupid post after stupid post including Way’s TCell thread lol, remember? everyone in any shape and form with any level of development called you out as a waste of space.
And guess what, little skinny fat turd, Waylander et al KNOW exactly WHO the fuck I am lol, and they know why I am posting what I am posting 
Feel free to try and rub off any sort of credibility for your pathetic progress, because I KNOW exactly what you look like after “years” of training lol. I wont go further on this to respect the mods on here. you’re the next Dankid, but one who thinks he’s worth a shit.
Summing it up, NO ONE of value will take your worthless words over CT who said what he did ON VIDEO, even if it turns out CT was off by ab bit. Its one thing for BONEZ and Way to comment on the guy’s development, its another entirely for you to do that.
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Why Roy, why? we always got along well before (sniff sniff)
All those times battling Headhunter and Nominal prospect together, and this is all I get (sniff)
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If you are who I think you are, then I apologize. I’m not on Facebook so I can’t keep up with all the latest in-jokes.
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No sweat. No harm, no foul
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HE went to Colorado because he has a million posts, he’s a “level 4” and people know who he is. Whether you love him or hate him almost everyone watched the videos which is exactly what Biotest wants.
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tons of unbridled truth in this post. please do not read if you are mentally fragile.[/quote]
Really?
And here I was, thinking X had the one-on-one training sessions with CT because he missed the group sessions due to a delayed flight or some shit.
[quote]pumped340 wrote:
and what is this “to ensure at least a few of the forum posters don’t end up like you did” business to Skynett…He’s a big dude. [/quote]
Thanks for the support pumped, but don’t worry about it. This guy used to post here under a different screen name and did the same shit to me - really nasty, uncalled for personal attacks about my appearance. And of course, would never post a picture of himself.
Hey, as I’ve said many times I’m behind X - I hope he reaches his goals. I would be very interested in seeing him get ripped and compete. I’ve NEVER attacked X’s work ethic, his physique or his approach to bulking, all I did was point out the truth - he doesn’t get shit because everyone else is such a jealous asshole, he reaps what he sows - simple as that. And I’m certainly not the only one to say it.
That said, unfortunately there’s nothing I can do about someone who is that nasty and vicious - it’s the Internet, so I have to take the shit because we’re not in the same room. Does it bother me? Of course - the guy’s pushing my buttons, and he knows there’s really nothing I can do to shut him up, so he can be as rude as he wants with no consequences - sucks, but it is what it is.
My issue is not a lack of muscle mass - it’s too much fat, something I’m well aware of and am actively looking to remedy. As much as vicious personal attacks really blow, a guy like this is just fuel for the motivational fire. I was up at 6:30 doing my fasted cardio, as I have been for some time now, and will continue to do so. When I can present a more conditioned physique, I suppose I won’t have to take this kind of shit. Until then, guys like this are going to shit on me, and there’s not much I can do about it. : )
What is the influence of ‘special supplements’ to this equation, in your opinion? don’t Way and Abiad change the rules of retaining muscle with their use?
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See when i was younger and i first started getting into bodybuilding i would right away wave the steriod flag to the reason why these guys were so big and muscular…now there’s no doubt that the use of “supplements” can help pack on muscle and burn body fat much quicker and effectively than a natural athelete…that being said however and having been a friend of Fouads for almost two years now.
When i train with this guy the intensity he brings is quite amazing…he is a Professional Bodybuilder and his job is to compete and win shows (one of his sources of income)…now don’t you think that if using kettleballs, and pushing prowlers, would take his physique to the next level he would be using these tools? I don’t know the answer and as i was mentioning to Prof X i believe most pros try to get most of their gains through their “weight sessions” usually later in the day…performing the early morning fasted steady state cardio just to get rid of any reminding fat, water etc…
It’s an interesting topic and i have always asked myself why these bodybuilders don’t perform these complexes and explosive cardio…I have started realizing a few things in terms of training…If you want to be a football player train like a football player, if you want to be a track athlete train like one, if you want to be a bodybuilder and build as much muscle then train like a bodybuilder…
If i can remember correctly, Daryl Gee used some of these techniques when he trained with CT for the 202 Detriot show…Daryl looked great in the end even though he didn’t win the show…He now works with Hany Rambod…wether he didnt like CT’s methods or just wanted a change i don’t know. This has defintely been a good discussion and i really think that when it comes time to cut down, you just need to train your ass off with the weights, follow your diet, and add some type of cardio or conditioning in…You can’t go wrong!
[quote]Matt Szwarz wrote:
What is the influence of ‘special supplements’ to this equation, in your opinion? don’t Way and Abiad change the rules of retaining muscle with their use?
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See when i was younger and i first started getting into bodybuilding i would right away wave the steriod flag to the reason why these guys were so big and muscular…now there’s no doubt that the use of “supplements” can help pack on muscle and burn body fat much quicker and effectively than a natural athelete…that being said however and having been a friend of Fouads for almost two years now. When i train with this guy the intensity he brings is quite amazing…he is a Professional Bodybuilder and his job is to compete and win shows (one of his sources of income)…now don’t you think that if using kettleballs, and pushing prowlers, would take his physique to the next level he would be using these tools? I don’t know the answer and as i was mentioning to Prof X i believe most pros try to get most of their gains through their “weight sessions” usually later in the day…performing the early morning fasted steady state cardio just to get rid of any reminding fat, water etc…It’s an interesting topic and i have always asked myself why these bodybuilders don’t perform these complexes and explosive cardio…I have started realizing a few things in terms of training…If you want to be a football player train like a football player, if you want to be a track athlete train like one, if you want to be a bodybuilder and build as much muscle then train like a bodybuilder…
If i can remember correctly, Daryl Gee used some of these techniques when he trained with CT for the 202 Detriot show…Daryl looked great in the end even though he didn’t win the show…He now works with Hany Rambod…wether he didnt like CT’s methods or just wanted a change i don’t know. This has defintely been a good discussion and i really think that when it comes time to cut down, you just need to train your ass off with the weights, follow your diet, and add some type of cardio or conditioning in…You can’t go wrong![/quote]
Good post.
[quote]Matt Szwarz wrote:
What is the influence of ‘special supplements’ to this equation, in your opinion? don’t Way and Abiad change the rules of retaining muscle with their use?
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[quote]See when i was younger and i first started getting into bodybuilding i would right away wave the steriod flag to the reason why these guys were so big and muscular…now there’s no doubt that the use of “supplements” can help pack on muscle and burn body fat much quicker and effectively than a natural athelete…that being said however and having been a friend of Fouads for almost two years now.
When i train with this guy the intensity he brings is quite amazing…he is a Professional Bodybuilder and his job is to compete and win shows (one of his sources of income)…now don’t you think that if using kettleballs, and pushing prowlers, would take his physique to the next level he would be using these tools? I don’t know the answer and as i was mentioning to Prof X i believe most pros try to get most of their gains through their “weight sessions” usually later in the day…performing the early morning fasted steady state cardio just to get rid of any reminding fat, water etc…
It’s an interesting topic and i have always asked myself why these bodybuilders don’t perform these complexes and explosive cardio…I have started realizing a few things in terms of training…If you want to be a football player train like a football player, if you want to be a track athlete train like one, if you want to be a bodybuilder and build as much muscle then train like a bodybuilder…
If i can remember correctly, Daryl Gee used some of these techniques when he trained with CT for the 202 Detriot show…Daryl looked great in the end even though he didn’t win the show…He now works with Hany Rambod…wether he didnt like CT’s methods or just wanted a change i don’t know. This has defintely been a good discussion and i really think that when it comes time to cut down, you just need to train your ass off with the weights, follow your diet, and add some type of cardio or conditioning in…You can’t go wrong![/quote]
I remember something Stu (or was it someone else?) said, in one of his prep posts. He was asked why is he not using complexes instead of steady state. His answer was, that he wants to win this, not do experiments. This is not unique to bodybuilding (or sports…). We can (and do) experiment and try cool stuff. In effect, if this proves useful for pro-level bodybuilders, X will be able to say he was part of that evolution.
I remember following the Daryl prep, just for this reason. He gained very well. Was he akso pushing the prowler, or just using it for eccentric-less?
Oh, and my question re Abiad was NOT to put their achievement down. I was asking, it steroids do not change the equation in such a way, that make steady state more suitable.
[quote]Malaka79 wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Matt Szwarz wrote:
I understand there seems to be a big trend or fad so to say with all this prowler and sled work for conditioning and body composition…now having tried both myself and from a “bodybuilding” not performance point of view, nothing ever beat fasted steady state cardio in the morning followed later on in the evening with an intense weight session…
low intense cardio just enough to burn the excess fat combined with heavy weight training seems to work well for many other bodybuilders as well (both enhanced and natural)…To each his own however there is many ways to skin a cat.[/quote]
Good post…and overall, I agree. However, I think the reason it was focused on with me is that I have never been leaned down to sub-10% levels as that was never a goal. For someone like that who already has the size, I can see how conditioning training by itself can have a large effect…and trust me, I do think some are missing how important the nutrition aspect is to having this work in a BODYBUILDING sense.
Without that nutrition strategy, I would not expect to see the same results.
CT flat out said in CO that you won’t see the same effect without it. I don’t know if they taped him saying it.[/quote]
Hey X, do you think CT might be just saying that to push the Biotest supps? [/quote]
Surely you’re not suggesting that a pitchman for a supplement company would suggest that you have to buy their supplements to achieve greatness, are you? That would be very cynical.
[quote]Matt Szwarz wrote:
See when i was younger and i first started getting into bodybuilding i would right away wave the steriod flag to the reason why these guys were so big and muscular…now there’s no doubt that the use of “supplements” can help pack on muscle and burn body fat much quicker and effectively than a natural athelete…that being said however and having been a friend of Fouads for almost two years now.
When i train with this guy the intensity he brings is quite amazing…he is a Professional Bodybuilder and his job is to compete and win shows (one of his sources of income)…now don’t you think that if using kettleballs, and pushing prowlers, would take his physique to the next level he would be using these tools? I don’t know the answer and as i was mentioning to Prof X i believe most pros try to get most of their gains through their “weight sessions” usually later in the day…performing the early morning fasted steady state cardio just to get rid of any reminding fat, water etc…
It’s an interesting topic and i have always asked myself why these bodybuilders don’t perform these complexes and explosive cardio…I have started realizing a few things in terms of training…If you want to be a football player train like a football player, if you want to be a track athlete train like one, if you want to be a bodybuilder and build as much muscle then train like a bodybuilder…
If i can remember correctly, Daryl Gee used some of these techniques when he trained with CT for the 202 Detriot show…Daryl looked great in the end even though he didn’t win the show…He now works with Hany Rambod…wether he didnt like CT’s methods or just wanted a change i don’t know. This has defintely been a good discussion and i really think that when it comes time to cut down, you just need to train your ass off with the weights, follow your diet, and add some type of cardio or conditioning in…You can’t go wrong![/quote]
Thats what I don’t get. I’ve got beginner development and beginner-intermediate strength so I stay away from posting recommendations but I don’t get the mentality of some of this training. Chad Waterbury just posted an article about how bodyweight exercises are better than any weighted exercise for muscle growth. Seriously??? I asked him why NO bodybuilders do that for their main form of muscle growth and he said it was ego and they don’t have access in normal gyms. As if people killing themselves to win BBing shows wouldn’t get some rings and whatnot to perform BW exercises if it was the key strategy…or even helpful.
Same thing applies to some of these methods I think. I like dragging a sled because its more entertaining and like weight lifting rather than slow boring cardio. But there’s a reason Daryl left and a reason you won’t find this training among most bodybuilders…it’s not like they haven’t tried most forms of lifting in the last 60-70 years of bodybuilding.
[quote]David1991 wrote:
Thats what I don’t get. I’ve got beginner development and beginner-intermediate strength so I stay away from posting recommendations but I don’t get the mentality of some of this training. Chad Waterbury just posted an article about how bodyweight exercises are better than any weighted exercise for muscle growth. Seriously??? I asked him why NO bodybuilders do that for their main form of muscle growth and he said it was ego and they don’t have access in normal gyms. As if people killing themselves to win BBing shows wouldn’t get some rings and whatnot to perform BW exercises if it was the key strategy…or even helpful. [/quote]
Dude, I have been at with Chad Waterbury before for the same issues. He is NOT a bodybuilding guru. He is a trainer who seems to hate bodybuilding for some reason. That is the perspective he is coming from. I would never use him for info to get into any kind of shape beyond that of a female supermodel.
I agree…once they are really lean. I know from years of experience how my body responds. I know by this conditioning training, my body will react in a positive way at least up until I drop more. As far as taking it beyond that into true contest shape, I am open to ideas. We will have to see what happens, I guess.
[quote]SkyNett wrote:
[quote]pumped340 wrote:
As for that whole deal about his contest weight, it’s ridiculous. If he is 257 now there is no way he’d be competing at 225. He probably has 30lb of fat alone to lose not even accounting for water and glycogen.
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I 100% agree on why X gets so much shit - he gives out plenty, so he gets it back. How that escapes people amazes me…
But, that said - that’s 227 lbs right there if he drops 30 - and I get what you’re saying about water and glycogen, but he won’t be glycogen depleted once he carbs up. So if he wrings out a few pounds of water he may well compete at 225…maybe 218 - 220 - which is fucking huge at average height and low single digit bodyfat.
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Did you guys read the livespill? Last time I checked X has been saying he is 5’10 correct?
What CT said was that at 6 foot, Prof X would weigh 215 maybe 220 on stage and CT subtracts 5 lbs per inch of height. So unless X magically grew 2 inches, his contest weight would be around 205, which makes sense to me.
[quote]xilinx wrote:
[quote]Matt Szwarz wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Matt Szwarz wrote:
I understand there seems to be a big trend or fad so to say with all this prowler and sled work for conditioning and body composition…now having tried both myself and from a “bodybuilding” not performance point of view, nothing ever beat fasted steady state cardio in the morning followed later on in the evening with an intense weight session…
low intense cardio just enough to burn the excess fat combined with heavy weight training seems to work well for many other bodybuilders as well (both enhanced and natural)…To each his own however there is many ways to skin a cat.[/quote]
Good post…and overall, I agree. However, I think the reason it was focused on with me is that I have never been leaned down to sub-10% levels as that was never a goal. For someone like that who already has the size, I can see how conditioning training by itself can have a large effect…and trust me, I do think some are missing how important the nutrition aspect is to having this work in a BODYBUILDING sense.
Without that nutrition strategy, I would not expect to see the same results.
CT flat out said in CO that you won’t see the same effect without it. I don’t know if they taped him saying it.[/quote]
Agreed…I think we both understand that the DIET itself and the nutritional aspect needs to be covered to full extinct first before any type of conditioning or cardio can be added…Since this is the Bodybuilding form i still go back to all the bodybuilders around that i know anyway. When it comes time to cut down a bit for either an upcoming show or guest pose all chose to do low-moderate steady state cardio. Wether that means walking on a tredmil or doing the stairmaster fasted steady state seems to be the most favourable method for most pf them. Like i previously stated i think most bodybuilders just want that low impact slow cardio to keep their energy levels up for weight sessions later in the day…infact i recently had this discussion with IFBB pro Fouad Abiad who lives in the same apartment as me…he has chosen to sit out this years olympia and focus specifically on the Arnold classic in March…Having trained with him quite a bit over the year i know for a fact that he relies only on the stairmaster and tredmill for his cardio…I don’t even think he would know what a prowler is LOL…Again many different ways to “get in shape” steady state seems to be the most popular but then again people are having great success with all this sled and car pushing activity…In your case X i think pushing a prowler would a great tool to add to your regime knowing that your diet and nutrition is already covered…it will be interesting to see your progress as you continue towards your goals…best of luck! [/quote]
What is the influence of ‘special supplements’ to this equation, in your opinion? don’t Way and Abiad change the rules of retaining muscle with their use?
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Around precontest time AAS doses go way up, large amounts of HGH are used and T3 (thyroid hormone) is implemented. At that point you become a fat burning machine. That, paired with good genetics and so much muscle mass allows for that fat to be burned relatively easily with diet in place. The HIIT stuff just isn’t necessary for someone using all of that and it would likely inhibit recovery for their weight training sessions. This is just my opinion on what I’ve observed so don’t take it for gospel.
If a time comes when I start using HGH and T3 I’ll let you know if it holds any water lol.
[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
What CT said was that at 6 foot, Prof X would weigh 215 maybe 220 on stage and CT subtracts 5 lbs per inch of height. So unless X magically grew 2 inches, his contest weight would be around 205, which makes sense to me.[/quote]
I dunno Way - you would know better than me.
[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
Around precontest time AAS doses go way up, large amounts of HGH are used and T3 (thyroid hormone) is implemented. At that point you become a fat burning machine. That, paired with good genetics and so much muscle mass allows for that fat to be burned relatively easily with diet in place. The HIIT stuff just isn’t necessary for someone using all of that and it would likely inhibit recovery for their weight training sessions. This is just my opinion on what I’ve observed so don’t take it for gospel.
If a time comes when I start using HGH and T3 I’ll let you know if it holds any water lol.[/quote]
Interesting stuff way, along the same lines, before the supps, did you require more morning cardio etc. to keep you reasonably lean when gaining? Idk if you did the whole low bodyfat thing before then, can’t quite remember the timescale. I remember you saying something along the lines of that adding fasted/semi-fasted morning cardio had literally no downsides and was something you would do from “then on” regardless of goals. Still the case?