To Professor X

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[quote]solidkhalid wrote:

[quote]bull strong wrote:

[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:
Damn, that leg session totally annihilated you, Prof. You looked like a beast sumo deadlifting. For someone who never done those, that was impressive. I hope you keep the sumo Dls in your legs session.

And regarding Thibs calling you Prof X, I laughed at that. Seriously. That was funny.[/quote]

He really started to come alive when he was sumo deadlifting quite entertaining to watch. I hope Prof x takes away the importance of free weight exercise.[/quote]

WTF? He benched 405 regular before he switched over to the Hammer Strength…

Unless your joking, in which case, shame on me.[/quote]

Listen here my comment is a complement not a insult. Now the guy clearly as weak stabilizing muscles from fucking around with hammer strength machines for years there is fuck all carry over to free weights and do not expect to be real world strong either.

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[quote]detazathoth wrote:

[quote]heavythrower wrote:
a few thoughts

the only video I have watched in its entirety is the “shoulder strength” one, the amount of volume used was typical for me…difference I would have done more sets with less reps though…

point being for the people who are thinking that that is a “insane” amount of volume need to seriously look at there work ethic in the gym.

as far as all the jaw dropping outrage concerning all the “prof x hate” going on…I think you would have had to be member of this site for as long as I have to realize that what is happening is severe backlash /blowback form all the years X has been dishing out shit on this board.

I am surprised it took this long.

also, what a cool opportunity for all those guys to get a training vacation like that.

I would love to be there just to get some coaching from CT on Olympic lifting, as my numbers (up until my most recent neck injury) put me in the thick of things in actual competition, for my age and weight class. this even though I have never had any real coaching in the OL’s.
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This x2[/quote]

sorry…x
“x2” on the x -backlash, or the opportunity to train with a good coach?

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[quote]bull strong wrote:
…do not expect to be real world strong either.[/quote]

Fuck, yeah… this thread is long overdue for a scuffle about functional strength.

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[quote]bull strong wrote:

[quote]solidkhalid wrote:

[quote]bull strong wrote:

[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:
Damn, that leg session totally annihilated you, Prof. You looked like a beast sumo deadlifting. For someone who never done those, that was impressive. I hope you keep the sumo Dls in your legs session.

And regarding Thibs calling you Prof X, I laughed at that. Seriously. That was funny.[/quote]

He really started to come alive when he was sumo deadlifting quite entertaining to watch. I hope Prof x takes away the importance of free weight exercise.[/quote]

WTF? He benched 405 regular before he switched over to the Hammer Strength…

Unless your joking, in which case, shame on me.[/quote]

Listen here my comment is a complement not and insult. Now the guy clearly as weak stabilizing muscles from fucking around with hammer strength machines for years there is fuck all carry over to free weights and do not expect to be real world strong either.[/quote]

I have to be honest, I do NOT like prof x. his act has worn on me to the point of I am done with him, and to me he has not cred.

but, I also am very fair minded and reasonable. X has stated he has no plans to be a competitive BB or strenght athlete, that his goal is to be the “holey shit” guy when he walks into the gym or any other place.

he has accomplished this. for that, respect.

as much as I agree that the hammer machines are total BULLSHIT when it comes to being real world strong, (point in case, I cannot bench press 200lbs right now, but can rep out with 4 plates each side on an incline hammer machine).

that being said, some of the biggest most jacked dudes I see at the commercial gym i train at from time to time LIVE on the hammer machines.

these are the guys I wish I looked like, especially when the shirt comes off at the beach.

so as far as getting fucking hyooge, hammer machines do the job well.

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[quote]anonym wrote:

[quote]bull strong wrote:
…do not expect to be real world strong either.[/quote]

Fuck, yeah… this thread is long overdue for a scuffle about functional strength.[/quote]

I am sure your avatar is going to give me nightmares tonight. thanks…this is what you were hoping to accomplish i presume?

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[quote]heavythrower wrote:

[quote]anonym wrote:

[quote]bull strong wrote:
…do not expect to be real world strong either.[/quote]

Fuck, yeah… this thread is long overdue for a scuffle about functional strength.[/quote]

I am sure your avatar is going to give me nightmares tonight. thanks…this is what you were hoping to accomplish i presume?[/quote]

Hey, man, when I sent you all those ‘you likey?’ dick pics and you responded by saying, “in your dreams”… well, you shoulda known I was gonna get in there with you one way or another.

Soon, your head will not be the only thing of yours I am inside.

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[quote]heavythrower wrote:

but, I also am very fair minded and reasonable. X has stated he has no plans to be a competitive BB or strenght athlete, that his goal is to be the “holey shit” guy when he walks into the gym or any other place.

he has accomplished this. for that, respect.

as much as I agree that the hammer machines are total BULLSHIT when it comes to being real world strong, (point in case, I cannot bench press 200lbs right now, but can rep out with 4 plates each side on an incline hammer machine).

that being said, some of the biggest most jacked dudes I see at the commercial gym i train at from time to time LIVE on the hammer machines.

these are the guys I wish I looked like, especially when the shirt comes off at the beach.

so as far as getting fucking hyooge, hammer machines do the job well.
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I know a few people who need to read this post like 40 times and let it sink in

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[quote]solidkhalid wrote:
lol, coach told me this year that 90% of people are “fucking negative assclowns”… you just learn after a while who to listen to and who doesn’t matter.

“Its mind over matter. I don’t mind, because you don’t matter.”[/quote]

Sorry have to disagree, I think the % is closer to 97% haha.

“If it doesn’t matter - it does NOT matter.”.

Opinion is a double edged sword - we need it to improve but sometimes we can do without that opinion and try to work things out for ourselves.

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[quote]afrikus wrote:

[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
OK. sent.[/quote]

Hmmm, did not get it.

It’s just cctnation and then what LD wrote.

What’s the rest of your week look like? You went through all the bodyparts I believe, is the split going to repeat?
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and YOU, you’re the fraud who CREATED this army of skinny-fat underdeveloped morons when you, scottMcD, sentoguy and the rest of the “DC” guys blindly regurgitated Dante’s work on this forum — you filled the BB forum with a bunch of uneducated morons who can’t see beyond poundage.[/quote]

I love your posts man. You remind me a lot of stringer, a guy who used to post here. Always stirring stuff up but you’re not lying. Are you serious about Scott M though? He’s always seemed like a smart guy to me.

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Volume: The “volume” we used for shoulders is actually less than I do myself sometimes. (addition: this is the most volume I have used for anterior delts alone, but I train the shit out of my shoulders. My sessions usually take a little over an hour…these were done in less than 40min I believe)

Rest: This is the least amount of rest between sets I have ever trained with…or ever see anyone else train with. I don’t see people training without breaks running from movement to movement.

Altitude: It matters little how you train at home…until you train with less rest between sets in an environment with less air pressure. I live in Houston…by the ship channel. This is Colorado…near Pike’s Peak.

The weights used: The goal here was to increase blood flow into the muscles while AVOIDING the increased damage that occurs when training heavier. CT stated that this works because of the nutrition protocol…and also that it will NOT work without it.

Addition: as far as anterior delts, the reason I usually avoid doing more than one exercise at home is due to the quickness that my anterior delts grow. That is all they need to look like they do. I would actually personally spend more time on rear delts now that my shoulder is recovering. My anterior delts grow by looking at them.

One thing I will note…I have friends back at home who were not able to tell what the “goal” of the training was in the videos and I have heard that as a complaint more than once. They wanted some explanation in the vids of why we chose the weights we did…because they see me train at home.

This was by no means a strength attempt. That wasn’t the goal at all. If anyone wanted a test of strength, that would mean watching me do the exercise I do everyday. Conclusion, anyone even concerned with the actual weight used has missed the point completely.

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One other complaint I have heard is that it is not clear the role “Indigo” plays in the videos. I have heard, “all we saw was some ladies training and then a guy with an accent training you”. I think it would be wise for this site to make it clear the point CT made about the importance of the nutrition protocol when training like this. I have heard they don’t get this from the videos alone and not everyone is going to spend time searching the T-Nation site looking for it.

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[quote]heavythrower wrote:

[quote]bull strong wrote:

[quote]solidkhalid wrote:

[quote]bull strong wrote:

[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:
Damn, that leg session totally annihilated you, Prof. You looked like a beast sumo deadlifting. For someone who never done those, that was impressive. I hope you keep the sumo Dls in your legs session.

And regarding Thibs calling you Prof X, I laughed at that. Seriously. That was funny.[/quote]

He really started to come alive when he was sumo deadlifting quite entertaining to watch. I hope Prof x takes away the importance of free weight exercise.[/quote]

WTF? He benched 405 regular before he switched over to the Hammer Strength…

Unless your joking, in which case, shame on me.[/quote]

Listen here my comment is a complement not and insult. Now the guy clearly as weak stabilizing muscles from fucking around with hammer strength machines for years there is fuck all carry over to free weights and do not expect to be real world strong either.[/quote]

I have to be honest, I do NOT like prof x. his act has worn on me to the point of I am done with him, and to me he has not cred.

but, I also am very fair minded and reasonable. X has stated he has no plans to be a competitive BB or strenght athlete, that his goal is to be the “holey shit” guy when he walks into the gym or any other place.

he has accomplished this. for that, respect.

as much as I agree that the hammer machines are total BULLSHIT when it comes to being real world strong, (point in case, I cannot bench press 200lbs right now, but can rep out with 4 plates each side on an incline hammer machine).

that being said, some of the biggest most jacked dudes I see at the commercial gym i train at from time to time LIVE on the hammer machines.

these are the guys I wish I looked like, especially when the shirt comes off at the beach.

so as far as getting fucking hyooge, hammer machines do the job well.
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If some one does not care for strength and wants to lift on hammer strength machines thats fine but some of us on this site have the old school bodybuilder beliefs train for strength lift big compound movements and build muscle.

Arnie Franco and Reg park lived by this phlosophy. If some one on this site criticises you about caring for lifting big numbers they can go and get fucked because they speak for themselves not for all of us.

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[quote]bull strong wrote:

If some one does not care for strength and wants to lift on hammer strength machines thats fine but some of us on this site have the old school bodybuilder beliefs train for strength lift big compound movements and build muscle. Arnie Franco and Reg park lived by this phlosophy. If some one on this site criticises you about caring for lifting big numbers they can go and get fucked because they speak for themselves not for all of us.

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Is someone criticizing you for lifting big numbers?

Is someone criticizing anyone for lifting big numbers?

Do you think “big numbers” were avoided by the larger lifters here regardless of how they train currently?

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]bull strong wrote:

If some one does not care for strength and wants to lift on hammer strength machines thats fine but some of us on this site have the old school bodybuilder beliefs train for strength lift big compound movements and build muscle. Arnie Franco and Reg park lived by this phlosophy. If some one on this site criticises you about caring for lifting big numbers they can go and get fucked because they speak for themselves not for all of us.

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Is someone criticizing you for lifting big numbers?

Is someone criticizing anyone for lifting big numbers?

Do you think “big numbers” were avoided by the larger lifters here regardless of how they train currently?[/quote]

Ive been a lurker long before I was a poster. I have seen criticism on many occasions and it pissies me right off. I have No problem about pro bodybuilders lifting with machines just these jerks on here that make out a true bodybuilder does not care about his brute strength.

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[quote]bull strong wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]bull strong wrote:

If some one does not care for strength and wants to lift on hammer strength machines thats fine but some of us on this site have the old school bodybuilder beliefs train for strength lift big compound movements and build muscle. Arnie Franco and Reg park lived by this phlosophy. If some one on this site criticises you about caring for lifting big numbers they can go and get fucked because they speak for themselves not for all of us.

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Is someone criticizing you for lifting big numbers?

Is someone criticizing anyone for lifting big numbers?

Do you think “big numbers” were avoided by the larger lifters here regardless of how they train currently?[/quote]

Ive been a lurker long before I was a poster. I have seen criticism on many occasions and it pissies me right off. I have No problem about pro bodybuilders lifting with machines just these jerks on here that make out a true bodybuilder does not care about his brute strength. [/quote]

Well, I have been a poster here since the site started even though my profile reads “2002”. I have NEVER seen someone criticized for focusing on strength.

I am also not sure why, if this did happen and I missed it, you would bring it up in this thread…unless you saw someone criticizing someone for focusing on strength.

I will also point out that this is the bodybuilding forum. Someone ONLY focused on strength here would be in the wrong place.

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Also, you didn’t answer that last question.

The answer is, no, big bodybuilders lifted for strength as well…which is generally how they got big in the first place. They may change their strategy later on after that big base of muscle is built, but let’s not ignore what got them there initially.

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You are a persistent guy I agree with your answer but when I write I am refering to a drug free lifter not a pro bodybuilder and not all pro body builders are obsessed with machines later on in ther career eg ronnie coleman branch warren.

I will say hammer strength + modern day steroids is what makes a modern day pro bodybuilder. But I like most people on here are drug free and I do not care for the modern day pro bodybuilders philosophy.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]bull strong wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]bull strong wrote:

If some one does not care for strength and wants to lift on hammer strength machines thats fine but some of us on this site have the old school bodybuilder beliefs train for strength lift big compound movements and build muscle. Arnie Franco and Reg park lived by this phlosophy. If some one on this site criticises you about caring for lifting big numbers they can go and get fucked because they speak for themselves not for all of us.

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Is someone criticizing you for lifting big numbers?

Is someone criticizing anyone for lifting big numbers?

Do you think “big numbers” were avoided by the larger lifters here regardless of how they train currently?[/quote]

Ive been a lurker long before I was a poster. I have seen criticism on many occasions and it pissies me right off. I have No problem about pro bodybuilders lifting with machines just these jerks on here that make out a true bodybuilder does not care about his brute strength. [/quote]

Well, I have been a poster here since the site started even though my profile reads “2002”. I have NEVER seen someone criticized for focusing on strength.

I am also not sure why, if this did happen and I missed it, you would bring it up in this thread…unless you saw someone criticizing someone for focusing on strength.

I will also point out that this is the bodybuilding forum. Someone ONLY focused on strength here would be in the wrong place.[/quote]

I do not see a full fucking report on this but I do see little comments now and than eg like this is the bodybuilding section why do you care about how much you can bench. Thats anuff to piss me off.

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[quote]bull strong wrote:
You are a persistent guy I agree with your answer but when I write I am refering to a drug free lifter not a pro bodybuilder and not all pro body builders are obsessed with machines later on in ther career eg ronnie cole man branch warren. I will say hammer strength + modern day steroids is what makes a modern day pro bodybuilder. But I like most people on here are drug free and I do not care for the modern day pro bodybuilders philosophy.[/quote]

Come on man, you can’t seriously believe that. The “hammer strength + modern day steroids” argument you are putting forth is ridiculous any way you look at it.

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It still amazes how much X has seemingly impacted strangers in real life via a website. As if you made them question their own training philosophy or just themselves so badly, that there’s been this huge backlash. CT has had X training in a no longer familiar style, at high altitude, geared toward conditioning and not pure strength.

Since when does anyone take so much offense to anything over the internet? If anything, I already liked px before and even more so after the livespill. I’m sure X was ready to try new things and struggle with them, but he went and put himself out there anyway. That’s so much more than people who don’t even have pics up of themselves can say.