To Professor X

[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:

[quote]pumped340 wrote:

[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:

[quote]corstijeir wrote:

[quote]rugggby wrote:

[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:

[quote]waylanderxx wrote:

TO change the subject though. Those prowler sessions looked fucking bad ass. I’m gonna start incorporating car pushes in the parking lot. Ebomb advocates those and obviously it works for him.[/quote]

weight is weight, don’t matter what you’re pushing. That said, whole lot easier to push a prowler by yourself than a car ;)[/quote]

I used to push cars for rugby traing from the age of 15-18. I have to get back into it again, great for power and explosiveness.

But watching these videos, it seems to me that pushing the prowler is a lot harder (obv if you have enough weight) due to the friction caused. There is no momentum, unlike the car.

I had to get my dad to break every so often because after the intial ‘take off’ it was a lot of momentum.[/quote]

This is true. You don’t have much momentum because the prowler wants to stop. Pushing a car is fairly easy if no one is braking. Larger vehicles obviously are better because it’s harder toget momentum on them, but they still require braking at times.
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corst I would like to see you push a car by yourself “fairly easily”[/quote]

Have you tried it? My sister has moved my old car when it was in neutral. Any seasoned lifter should be able to do so “fairly easily”
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A “seasoned lifter.” If you are applying that term to corstijir then you are out of your mind[/quote]

It’s a freaking car, put it in neutral and you push. Not rocket surgery.

Without someone in the car hitting the brakes it’s fairly easy once you get past the first sticking point.

[quote]corstijeir wrote:

[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:

[quote]pumped340 wrote:

[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:

[quote]corstijeir wrote:

[quote]rugggby wrote:

[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:

[quote]waylanderxx wrote:

TO change the subject though. Those prowler sessions looked fucking bad ass. I’m gonna start incorporating car pushes in the parking lot. Ebomb advocates those and obviously it works for him.[/quote]

weight is weight, don’t matter what you’re pushing. That said, whole lot easier to push a prowler by yourself than a car ;)[/quote]

I used to push cars for rugby traing from the age of 15-18. I have to get back into it again, great for power and explosiveness.

But watching these videos, it seems to me that pushing the prowler is a lot harder (obv if you have enough weight) due to the friction caused. There is no momentum, unlike the car.

I had to get my dad to break every so often because after the intial ‘take off’ it was a lot of momentum.[/quote]

This is true. You don’t have much momentum because the prowler wants to stop. Pushing a car is fairly easy if no one is braking. Larger vehicles obviously are better because it’s harder toget momentum on them, but they still require braking at times.
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corst I would like to see you push a car by yourself “fairly easily”[/quote]

Have you tried it? My sister has moved my old car when it was in neutral. Any seasoned lifter should be able to do so “fairly easily”
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A “seasoned lifter.” If you are applying that term to corstijir then you are out of your mind[/quote]

It’s a freaking car, put it in neutral and you push. Not rocket surgery.

Without someone in the car hitting the brakes it’s fairly easy once you get past the first sticking point.[/quote]

Stop being pussies and push the car uphill.
Move it up the driveway a few times and then lets talk.

[quote]Professor X wrote:
Dude, my dick hurts.[/quote]

LOL, good luck tomorrow morning. Your going to be walking and standing upright like the Hulk was your urologist and needed a second “look”…

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]pumped340 wrote:

[quote]waylanderxx wrote:

[quote]BiP wrote:
The question is: Waylander, why the hell do you care?

Does something about X annoy you so much that you have to devote hundreds of post just to expressing that?

I think it’s been established pretty well that you don’t like X. Why not leave it at that?

“CT looks fucking awesome, he can do what he wants.” Well, that includes inviting X to train with him in Colorado.

B.[/quote]

X has me on ignore I rarely post anything about him anymore. However, everything I said in my third post in this thread is true. In the main, I’m disappointed that he has been too proud to post or even take pictures of himself for critique which has allowed such glaring weak points to go unfixed for 20 years. If he had been a little more humble and done that he could have the physique of a competitive BBer.

Sorry, when you crown yourself king of a BBing forum and think you know everything I better be fucking impressed with how you look. The advanced guys will understand what I’m talking about upon viewing X in action, the noobs will nut ride harder.

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[quote]eeu743 wrote:
Seems like there are things that definitely need work. I hope that you do start addressing your weak points/changing up your training to balance your physique better, only because you are clearly capable of doing it and doing it well.

It seems like you are out there to learn and improve yourself. Hopefully that’s true, and hopefully you’ll stick with it when you leave and get even better.

Personally, I was surprised to see some of the weak points that have been mentioned. But I like Professor X a lot more after watching the videos, and I find myself actually “rooting” for him. I’m all for constructive criticism, and I hope he takes it to heart, from CT and/or some of the bigger guys on here who are helpful. Waylander makes good points, they’re just lost in the bitterness.[/quote]

That’s basically my thought on the subject. Not in an asshole way, just that there are obvious weak points. I can definitely understand Waylander’s posts. PX’s form seems off on some basic exercises and is somewhat masked by CT but at the same time I agree there’s somewhat of a “rooting for PX” in my mind and my criticisms only come from the same place they come from seeing any lifter, right away I look for what could be brought up because that’s how it gets after you’ve seen hundreds of physiques.

I thought it was interesting today though that CT said he himself would have to drop 25lb to be in contest condition even though he’s so damn lean now. I mentioned to PX a little while ago that I would bet he’d have to be 225 to be really lean and he said he doubted it but now I’m thinking for contest condition he’d be around 205 or so. Like CT said, people really underestimate how much has to be lost for that. I mean look at Stu, he was a lean 210 and he competes around 175

by the way Modok, has X even said he’s natural? I’ve never seen that said by him and even if he said it, who knows. I have no idea, and that goes for most people…you generally almost never know.[/quote]

Look, guys, I am all for constructive criticism, but what Waylander is doing ain’t that. Waylander’s glaring weak points are his chest and quads…so for him to come on here like I wasted the past decade by being so out of proportion is ridiculous.
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Obviously I’m on ignore, but my criticism was pretty constructive…Yah, I have weak points and I know I have weak points because I’ve posted pictures and people have pointed them out to me and I continue to work on them until the pictures no longer show them as weak points. However, because I’m open to showing my physique and tracking progress through myself and what others see they sure as hell won’t be weak points when I’ve reached 20 years of training time.

When someone is adamant about not taking pictures of their physique for whatever reason and spends 20 years training and still has glaring weaknesses, yah…that’s wasted time. I don’t see how you can justify that any other way.

LOL

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It’s a freaking car, put it in neutral and you push. Not rocket surgery.

Without someone in the car hitting the brakes it’s fairly easy once you get past the first sticking point.[/quote]

Stop being pussies and push the car uphill.
Move it up the driveway a few times and then lets talk.[/quote]

Ohh now we’re getting to the good part. Uphill is totally different. How many people that push cars do it up hill? Most everyone does it in a parking lot with someone touching the brakes.

The initial point was pushing a car is different from pushing a prowler, mainly due to the constant friction, where a car has less friction because of the tires and the rolling momentum.

On a random note, that “video schedule” seems way off. I was ready to watch the leg workout video.

[quote]corstijeir wrote:

Ohh now we’re getting to the good part. Uphill is totally different. How many people that push cars do it up hill? Most everyone does it in a parking lot with someone touching the brakes.

The initial point was pushing a car is different from pushing a prowler, mainly due to the constant friction, where a car has less friction because of the tires and the rolling momentum.[/quote]

Why is this an argument? yes, the prowler is harder to push because of friction. It gets stuck many times while pushing it and you have to get it going again.

I have pushed a truck in a strong man contest and while it was very hard, it was a different feel with less variables.

I couldn’t even imagine doing this shit on black top gravel without dropping the weight way more.

[quote]Loudog75 wrote:

[quote]corstijeir wrote:

[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:

[quote]pumped340 wrote:

[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:

[quote]corstijeir wrote:

[quote]rugggby wrote:

[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:

[quote]waylanderxx wrote:

TO change the subject though. Those prowler sessions looked fucking bad ass. I’m gonna start incorporating car pushes in the parking lot. Ebomb advocates those and obviously it works for him.[/quote]

weight is weight, don’t matter what you’re pushing. That said, whole lot easier to push a prowler by yourself than a car ;)[/quote]

I used to push cars for rugby traing from the age of 15-18. I have to get back into it again, great for power and explosiveness.

But watching these videos, it seems to me that pushing the prowler is a lot harder (obv if you have enough weight) due to the friction caused. There is no momentum, unlike the car.

I had to get my dad to break every so often because after the intial ‘take off’ it was a lot of momentum.[/quote]

This is true. You don’t have much momentum because the prowler wants to stop. Pushing a car is fairly easy if no one is braking. Larger vehicles obviously are better because it’s harder toget momentum on them, but they still require braking at times.
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corst I would like to see you push a car by yourself “fairly easily”[/quote]

Have you tried it? My sister has moved my old car when it was in neutral. Any seasoned lifter should be able to do so “fairly easily”
[/quote]

A “seasoned lifter.” If you are applying that term to corstijir then you are out of your mind[/quote]

It’s a freaking car, put it in neutral and you push. Not rocket surgery.

Without someone in the car hitting the brakes it’s fairly easy once you get past the first sticking point.[/quote]

Stop being pussies and push the car uphill.
Move it up the driveway a few times and then lets talk.[/quote]

Are you trying to get the little guy killed?!!

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Quick Ben wrote:
220 come contest day, unassisted?

I’m no expert, but my knee-jerk reaction is illustrated by the picture.

Wish you all the luck in the world achieving it though. Better get a coach if you do decide to set a date and do a contest. If CT can get you to 220 in contest shape, I would strongly consider hiring the guy. lol[/quote]

LOL. That is why I avoid giving my weight on here.

Like I said, I will rely on CT’s advice…even though I am sure you’ve trained tons of guys.[/quote]

Hey, you built the size and you have the heart. You’ll look great when peeled even if you come in lighter than 220. It’s not about the number. In fact I think you need to put those out of your mind entirely, and just get ripped.

That’s just my opinion, and no malice is intended at all. You’ll have to excuse me if I raise an eyebrow when:

  1. Thibs says he would have to drop 25lb to reach contest condition from his current condition.
  2. The bodybuilder in the picture Thibs posted dropped from 244 with abs, to 195 contest shape.
  3. Thibs thinks you are only 30lbs away from being contest ready? Doesn’t add up to me.

If I’m way off, let someone set me straight. No biggie. Just having a discussion here.

PX I hope you carry some of the training from CO back to where you’re from. If anything to see what gains and physique changes you can make with this training style compared to your other methods. Trying it for a few months can’t hurt, you can always go back to what has worked. With all the talk about form and weight used there isn’t any talk of you being small that is for sure. Good luck

I’ve watched the video’s, very nice to see the person behind the name. It takes some real balls to put yourself out there. =)

Oh yeah, good luck with the pain in the dick… lucky it wasn’t the nutsack… speaking out of experience lol.

[quote]Quick Ben wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Quick Ben wrote:
220 come contest day, unassisted?

I’m no expert, but my knee-jerk reaction is illustrated by the picture.

Wish you all the luck in the world achieving it though. Better get a coach if you do decide to set a date and do a contest. If CT can get you to 220 in contest shape, I would strongly consider hiring the guy. lol[/quote]

LOL. That is why I avoid giving my weight on here.

Like I said, I will rely on CT’s advice…even though I am sure you’ve trained tons of guys.[/quote]

Hey, you built the size and you have the heart. You’ll look great when peeled even if you come in lighter than 220. It’s not about the number. In fact I think you need to put those out of your mind entirely, and just get ripped.

That’s just my opinion, and no malice is intended at all. You’ll have to excuse me if I raise an eyebrow when:

  1. Thibs says he would have to drop 25lb to reach contest condition from his current condition.
  2. The bodybuilder in the picture Thibs posted dropped from 244 with abs, to 195 contest shape.
  3. Thibs thinks you are only 30lbs away from being contest ready? Doesn’t add up to me.

If I’m way off, let someone set me straight. No biggie. Just having a discussion here.[/quote]

Dude, I am over 260lbs right now…and I think I am leaner than the last shirtless pic I posted.

But yeah, you are right that I need to put numbers out of my mind.

Maybe the rest of you should do the same.

I am used to being underestimated.

I am not used to staying that way.

[quote]Quick Ben wrote:
220 come contest day, unassisted?

I’m no expert, but my knee-jerk reaction is illustrated by the picture.

Wish you all the luck in the world achieving it though. Better get a coach if you do decide to set a date and do a contest. If CT can get you to 220 in contest shape, I would strongly consider hiring the guy. lol[/quote]

So CT says he would have to drop like 25 lbs in his current condition to reach contest shape and apparently X only needs to drop 30 lbs to reach contest shape? This can’t be serious.

What the fuck is going on here, this forum is so retarded sometimes lol. I really can’t comment anymore in this thread anymore because sooo many people are incredibly delusional and it makes my head hurt.

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Quick Ben wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Quick Ben wrote:
220 come contest day, unassisted?

I’m no expert, but my knee-jerk reaction is illustrated by the picture.

Wish you all the luck in the world achieving it though. Better get a coach if you do decide to set a date and do a contest. If CT can get you to 220 in contest shape, I would strongly consider hiring the guy. lol[/quote]

LOL. That is why I avoid giving my weight on here.

Like I said, I will rely on CT’s advice…even though I am sure you’ve trained tons of guys.[/quote]

Hey, you built the size and you have the heart. You’ll look great when peeled even if you come in lighter than 220. It’s not about the number. In fact I think you need to put those out of your mind entirely, and just get ripped.

That’s just my opinion, and no malice is intended at all. You’ll have to excuse me if I raise an eyebrow when:

  1. Thibs says he would have to drop 25lb to reach contest condition from his current condition.
  2. The bodybuilder in the picture Thibs posted dropped from 244 with abs, to 195 contest shape.
  3. Thibs thinks you are only 30lbs away from being contest ready? Doesn’t add up to me.

If I’m way off, let someone set me straight. No biggie. Just having a discussion here.[/quote]

Dude, I am over 260lbs right now…and I think I am leaner than the last shirtless pic I posted.

But yeah, you are right that I need to put numbers out of my mind.

Maybe the rest of you should do the same.

I am used to being underestimated.

I am not used to staying that way.[/quote]

Well for what it’s worth, I hope you come in looking like a tank :slight_smile:

After reading your posts these last couple of years, I can’t help but feel invested in your progress somehow. lol

I’m sure others feel the same way.

…and if that’s true, I appreciate it. It isn’t like there are tons of dentists running around trying to work in the gym like a second job. Sometimes, the voice in my head is the only person cheering me on.

I’m cheering for u buddy!

Seriously though…I made a thread a while back about my progress, and you and other big guys posted in it, and most of it was encouraging. Obviously my main motivation is not to impress T-Nation, and I’m sure it isn’t yours either, but it was nice, I felt validated for my hard work and motivated to keep going. I want to see you keep working and improving, because I just enjoy seeing people succeed. So I’m definitely rooting for you, and I think a lot of other people are too.

[quote]Professor X wrote:
…and if that’s true, I appreciate it. It isn’t like there are tons of dentists running around trying to work in the gym like a second job. Sometimes, the voice in my head is the only person cheering me on.[/quote]

Wait…

YOU HEAR HIM TOO?

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]corstijeir wrote:

Ohh now we’re getting to the good part. Uphill is totally different. How many people that push cars do it up hill? Most everyone does it in a parking lot with someone touching the brakes.

The initial point was pushing a car is different from pushing a prowler, mainly due to the constant friction, where a car has less friction because of the tires and the rolling momentum.[/quote]

Why is this an argument? yes, the prowler is harder to push because of friction. It gets stuck many times while pushing it and you have to get it going again.

I have pushed a truck in a strong man contest and while it was very hard, it was a different feel with less variables.

I couldn’t even imagine doing this shit on black top gravel without dropping the weight way more.[/quote]

Was this your first experience with a Prowler or no? Just curious. Like I alluded to before, I’m sure the altitude isn’t helping at all.

I just got done doing Prowler sprints with a 45 on each side on pavement - it seriously sucks fields and fields of cow dicks. Makes the surface you guys are pushing on look amazing. :wink:

Keep up the good work man, I’m betting you’ll walk away from this learning a lot about different training and yourself as well.

SSC, never even saw a prowler before…haven’t deadlifted in a decade…hadn’t done a barbell free overhead press since first starting. I found other movements that helped me get to this point with very little injury over the years.

Now, it looks like it is time for a change in strategy.

I lost a shit ton of fat in about 2.5 months.

It isn’t like I can’t do it.