To Hell with Crossfit!

[quote]Backlash79 wrote:
95# tabata Front squats as written by Dan John

95# tabata front squat/press as written by Dan John

95# Bear complex referenced many times by different T-Nation authors.

etc.[/quote]

Yeah. It’s silliness. Sorry. Just because something is hard doesn’t mean it works. Take two full soup cans and hold them straight out for 20 minutes. If you can last 20 minutes, you’ll have a killer delt pump and you won’t be able to raise your arms without pain for quite a while. But you didn’t really do shit.

Where are all these ultra-lean, super-jacked bodybuilders who are doing Tabata to lose weight?

If you’re doing the Bear Complex with 95lbs, you’re weak. That’s just a fact.

That’s

7 rounds of the following
Power Clean
Front Squat
Push Press
Back Squat
Push Press

Right?

I thought it was 7 sets of 5 rounds.

[quote]Backlash79 wrote:
I thought it was 7 sets of 5 rounds. [/quote]

It looks like some sources say different things. Obviously there’s a big difference.

I hate it when I walk into a gym and I find ‘Bodybuilders’ who hog all the benches and do half movement bench presses while their spotter is deadlifting 3/4 of the weight of the bar and they still shout 1 more rep at the top of their voice so everyone will look at them. Oh was that a sweeping statement I made? Yes I’m sure it was, so it is a pathetic thing to say as not everyone is like that.

Firstly Crossfitter is a term that seems to be being used in the same way as bodybuilder, so its nothing more than an umbrella term for a type/style of training.

‘Crossfit’ as a methodology for training is an awsome tool for people like me, who want to:
Run/Jump/Push/Pull/climb etc and this methodology has given me the ability to:
Deadlift 441pounds/ Run 3 miles in 16min 43sec and everything in between at a fighting weight of 161 pounds, tell me another methodology that will give you that ability?? I would be interested. The recorded performances of people who use crossfit as their main training tool do no not lie.

Take a little time and take a look at the evidence of its success before you open your mouth’s and you might be surprised at what you find!!!

I have the same respect for any trainer who gives it their all no matter what their goals maybe.
Idiots are idiots no matter what they do, and bodybuilding attracts its fair share also!!!

I am familiar with the Westside “methodology” and it seems to work for a lot of people doing a lot of different things…World�??s top power lifters, countless football players, a 400m dash world record, shot putters.

I even know of a world class female triathlete that spent time at Westside and improved her best times. I also know of soccer players, rugby players, and world class bobsledders that have trained and improved at Westside. So that’s one.

Don’t you have to pay to reach a new crossfit level, kind of like karate belts?

[quote]Crossfit1 wrote:

‘Crossfit’ as a methodology for training is an awsome tool for people like me, who want to:
Run/Jump/Push/Pull/climb etc and this methodology has given me the ability to:

Deadlift 441pounds/ Run 3 miles in 16min 43sec and everything in between at a fighting weight of 161 pounds, tell me another methodology that will give you that ability?? I would be interested. The recorded performances of people who use crossfit as their main training tool do no not lie.
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Try “doing a structured deadlift program and running now and then”.

The deadlift is good for your weight, but a 5 and a half minute mile? I was doing that in middle school without training for it. Also, most people on a bodybuilding board will probably be unimpressed by your “fighting weight” of 161 pounds.

That said, the problem most people here have with Crossfit is probably the lack of a clear progression method.

If you’re doing olympic lifts one day, running the next, then swimming or doing kettlebell work, it’s harder to imagine how you can add poundage to your lifts than if you have sessions that you can compare directly (i.e., my upper body day this week will be the same as next week, just that next week I will add reps or weight to each lift, which is clear progression).

However, I see disregarding Crossfit completely, as many people here seem to do, as wrong. Many people doing it are now in the best shape of their lives, and that has to count for something.

Also, please don’t see this post as a personal attack. I just wanted to state that this is mostly a bodybuilding board, and I doubt we will ever see highly successful bodybuilders train by Crossfit principles.

Additionally, if you check other threads on this board, you will see that people doing curls in the squat rack, not using full ROM, and having spotters that do more work than they are doing are ridiculed as well.

[quote]Robert P. wrote:
Crossfit1 wrote:

Try “doing a structured deadlift program and running now and then”.

The deadlift is good for your weight, but a 5 and a half minute mile? I was doing that in middle school without training for it. Also, most people on a bodybuilding board will probably be unimpressed by your “fighting weight” of 161 pounds.

That said, the problem most people here have with Crossfit is probably the lack of a clear progression method.

If you’re doing olympic lifts one day, running the next, then swimming or doing kettlebell work, it’s harder to imagine how you can add poundage to your lifts than if you have sessions that you can compare directly (i.e., my upper body day this week will be the same as next week, just that next week I will add reps or weight to each lift, which is clear progression).

However, I see disregarding Crossfit completely, as many people here seem to do, as wrong. Many people doing it are now in the best shape of their lives, and that has to count for something.

Also, please don’t see this post as a personal attack. I just wanted to state that this is mostly a bodybuilding board, and I doubt we will ever see highly successful bodybuilders train by Crossfit principles.

Additionally, if you check other threads on this board, you will see that people doing curls in the squat rack, not using full ROM, and having spotters that do more work than they are doing are ridiculed as well.[/quote]

Robert

That’s the point, I/we don’t won’t to do a structured deadlift routine, I am well aware that if I specialized that I would lift more!!!
And to say that when you were at school you ran a 5.30min mile is a redundant statement, I am talking about today.

I was giving an overview of the broad ability that the crossfit methodology can give a committed individual, just as a specific bodybuilding routine will give a committed individual muscular size.

“and I doubt we will ever see highly successful bodybuilders train by Crossfit principles.”

And the above Robert, is to be frank, obvious.

I train for the whole spectrum of athletic abilities, so I will never be huge/super strong or a super quick marathon runner, but the crossfit methodology allows us to do it all at any given time.

Also I do not take it as a personel attack even though the title of the thread would lead one to think otherwise.
It seems that the rest of the fitness world has a problem with crossfit not the other way round?

I think that we all should just find what we like and that should be the end of it. But the main topic was about idiots who impede others training time, and that is unacceptable no matter what side of the training fence you are on, agreed?

[quote]Crossfit1 wrote:
And to say that when you were at school you ran a 5.30min mile is a redundant statement, I am talking about today.
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Redundant doesn’t mean what you think it means.

Glassman’s a dick.

Get a not gay avatar, this isn’t that kind of site.

Crossfit’s good for a change of pace, reasonable general fitness and making chicks hot. Nothing more, nothing less.

[quote]Crossfit1 wrote:
I think that we all should just find what we like and that should be the end of it. But the main topic was about idiots who impede others training time, and that is unacceptable no matter what side of the training fence you are on, agreed?
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I believe that was the posters first comment, he was pissed that he had to move out of 10 peoples way so they could do their exercise in a public gym.

It is not unacceptable unfortunately, you don’t go to a public gym and do giant sets using 4 pieces of equipment when it is busy, nor should anyone do a farmers carry around power racks with 6 sets of dumbbells in the middle of the floor getting in everyones way. You find a hall or some other empty area.

I don’t understand why anyone is getting worked up about what program or exercise regime they are doing. You would think someone was talking shit about your momma.

Besides, why are you here arguing your point? It would be like a white christian american going into an al-qaeda meeting and trying to argue their side. Totally pointless.

Hey Buf, thought I would get a BB avatar that wasn’t gay! Just for you sweetheart. I thought this one of a bodybuilder in his thong all oiled up was really manly, what do you think?

“Redundant doesn’t mean what you think it means.”

(Redundant: Superfluous: Not needed)

Learn the English language.

“Glassman’s a dick.” Have you met him??

Joe Weider’s a COCK.

"I train at Nashville’s “Only” official Crossfit gym, and I must admit that I laugh out loud at them daily.

There are 20 people all screaming like they are having a long, seemingly painful orgasm, guys deadlifting 50 (yes 50) lbs,

girls of course doing less, all the while I steal every single 45 lb plate in the gym to do my deads and squats in front of them and watch as their testosterone level drops to new lows as they realize simultaneously both how real men train, and that they are doing the same workout as the bunch of chicks beside them."

MODOK you must have small dick syndrome!!! And of course real men steal kit of girls, I must remember that!!!

“Besides, why are you here arguing your point? It would be like a white christian american going into an al-qaeda meeting and trying to argue their side. Totally pointless.”

Only an American would bring religion into a debate about fitness protocols!!! Incredible.

I think the supplements are playing with your brain cells!!

And for those of you who can’t interpret what I said, I will state it in Yanklish: I WAS BACKING BOTH TRAINING PROTOCOLS YOU DUM ####S.

Anyway must go as it is chest and Bi’s day,

[quote]jp_dubya wrote:
“I train crossfit”
I think this is how Jesus prepared for crucifixion. [/quote]

This is really funny!

[quote]Crossfit1 wrote:
Hey Buf, thought I would get a BB avatar that wasn’t gay! Just for you sweet heart. I thought this one of a bodybuilder in his thong all oiled up was really manly, what do you think?
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You’ve gone from a 10 to a 7. Sweetheart is one word. If it wasn’t gay, is it now?

sigh That’s in regards to verbiage; he needed the words he said to express his thoughts. It was also pertinent to the conversation.

Done my best not to; some folks I know who’s judgments I trust expressed his dickitude and I’ve seen it play out over the internet.

Yup. You’re correct. Also one hell of a marketer and business man.

I’m not a bodybuilder.

[quote]buffalokilla wrote:

Joe Weiders a COCK!

Yup. You’re correct. Also one hell of a marketer and business man.

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As is Glassman.

Finally we agree;-)

Gonna steal your “Dickitude” I like that.

And people wonder how folks get so worked up about religion!

[quote]njworkoutguy wrote:
I agree, its even worse in the military where the craze is really taking over…I’m not even sure why, I’m a hell of alot more confident in the ability of someone who can dead lift and squat massive amounts of weight, to pull my unconscious body out of a burning vehicle and bring me to safety…but I guess I’m wrong.[/quote]

Military brats aren’t the smartest guys around.

Look at the standard military training regimen. It sucks. 50 years behind the times. But they’ll happily use it for another 50.

[quote]Nominal Prospect wrote:
njworkoutguy wrote:
I agree, its even worse in the military where the craze is really taking over…I’m not even sure why, I’m a hell of alot more confident in the ability of someone who can dead lift and squat massive amounts of weight, to pull my unconscious body out of a burning vehicle and bring me to safety…but I guess I’m wrong.

Military brats aren’t the smartest guys around.

Look at the standard military training regimen. It sucks. 50 years behind the times. But they’ll happily use it for another 50.[/quote]

Just because the military thinks running/pushups/situps are the pinnacle of fitness doesn’t mean everybody in the military buys into it. Personally I couldn’t care less how fit the Air Force thinks I am.

And perhaps judging an entire cross section of our society on a couple bad apples you’ve experienced isn’t quite fair?? Then again I probably wouldn’t know, since I’m apparently not very smart…

[quote]Nominal Prospect wrote:

Military brats aren’t the smartest guys around.

Look at the standard military training regimen. It sucks. 50 years behind the times. But they’ll happily use it for another 50.[/quote]

Yes, the standardized Physical Fitness Assessment (PFA) is a joke, and I’m sure just about every member of the military seriously into fitness would agree with that. Unfortunately, we don’t have a choice but to perform the same situp/pushup/run scheme that’s been in place for years…and probably will be for quite some time.

There are others who don’t have a clue that make decisions like those regarding fitness and nutrition in the military. And for you to claim that we’re not “the smartest guys around” is bullshit. But you know what, I’ll still gladly defend your and everyone else’s freedom to say something so assinine.

[quote]usaffirefighter wrote:
Just because the military thinks running/pushups/situps are the pinnacle of fitness doesn’t mean everybody in the military buys into it. Personally I couldn’t care less how fit the Air Force thinks I am.

And perhaps judging an entire cross section of our society on a couple bad apples you’ve experienced isn’t quite fair?? Then again I probably wouldn’t know, since I’m apparently not very smart…
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See ,Nominal Prospect, here’s already one of us who would agree. Thank you usaffirefighter.