[quote]seth.ewan wrote:
dont be a dick.[/quote]
There seems to be a select few posters on this forum who struggle not to exude belligerence. Pity.
I’m sure many here could testify to seeing guys in their gyms who just seem to do the same thing, over and over, in a couple of cases I’m thinking right now upwards of 18 months, and are making absolutely no gains over and above the plateau they’re at even though they want to gain mass. Then you hear them say “its my bodytype”, “I just don’t think I can gain anymore”, and countless other excuses.
It really does have to be a good program, hopefully one that the individual buys into (a point raised earlier by Bill I think?), so that when they get stuck into it they’ll actually get results.
Ineffective, inefficient training is one of the things that pisses me off in the gym more than anything.
How about the multitude of skinny guys you see trying to bench 220, only going quarter/half way down, and they’ve been trying that for a few months without any gains? They’re trying hard, but making no progress at all.
How about the pretty boys who load up a bar and then spot the hell out of each other. They’re trying hard and going something that resembles a program, but they make no results either.
Anyway, enough from me cause I’ll just keep on ranting…
[quote]Growing_Boy wrote:
Doing some sort of pressing movement on top of a giant yoga ball using 20lb DBs. Now that’s hardcore carnal! Harder than my 4 reps with the 140lbers. I’m like totally unfunctional [/quote]
I did a few Waterbury programs, and I can tell I’ve never been doing Bosu/Swiss ball crap…the staple in his programs are heavy (4-6RM) compound lifts.
Basically, I agree with what you said, GluteusGigantis. One point, though:
[quote]GluteusGigantis wrote:
How about the multitude of skinny guys you see trying to bench 220, only going quarter/half way down, and they’ve been trying that for a few months without any gains? They’re trying hard, but making no progress at all.
How about the pretty boys who load up a bar and then spot the hell out of each other. They’re trying hard and going something that resembles a program, but they make no results either.[/quote]
To me, “trying hard” would include doing the exercise in question with proper form for one’s goals (as a beginner, that would most likely mean full ROM, although partial reps have their place), incorporating exercises like squats, deadlifts, rows, pull-ups, chins etc. (for advanced lifters, the list may be different but that’s not the point here) and most importantly, “trying hard” with regard to nutrition.
The nutrition part, of course, is not as much about trying but more about doing. There are only few plausible excuses for not getting your food in.
Long story short: Even in this case, I believe the ineffectiveness is more due to lack of effort than lack of superior programming.
[quote]Squelchy wrote:
I say credit to her and her husband David for building a fortune of more than 100 million between them.
I also enjoyed her two albums Spice and Spiceworld.[/quote]
Agreed.
But seriously, “Brooklyn”?
[quote]Cheeky_Kea wrote:
Professor X wrote:
What does “fittest guy in the gym” mean?
Biggest guy in the gym gives a good description. You assume the person is pretty big…
It does? I think I could also assume he was merely the fattest fuck in the gym as well.
[/quote]
If you are in a gym and the words “biggest guy in the gym” bring thoughts of morbid obesity, you are either in the wrong fucking gym or you don’t know anything about how people speak in one.
[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
There’s also another aspect to this:
There’s more importance to the fact that he, individually, LIKED the program than many give credit to.
From the standpoint of people getting results, even if we did a study with 100 lifters of a given category and standing similar to oneself doing one program, and 100 matched lifters doing a different one, and proved over an extended period of time that one did better on average than the other, in reality, if a person LIKES one program but the other just doesn’t appeal to him, most will do better on the program they LIKE and believe in.
Assuming it’s a decent program.
Regardless of whether for others, the other program did a little better on average.
No study needed, no experience of others needed. Other than that it is better if it’s known beforehand that the program does work well for at least some people. (If it’s totally untried, then just because one likes it after having read it is not enough reason to switch to it.)
Now if someone is stuck and not getting good results, then it can be time to give them a wake-up call and say that regardless of the fact that you LIKE, for example, Mentzer’s approach to training, it’s not working for you anymore and here are things you can do instead that generally work a lot better.
But when someone is getting good results then if they LIKE it, great! The program is working for them. Maybe the program another person thinks is better would not work as well for them.
We don’t know, but we do know this one is working for him.
There is a lot to having the mental factor being positive.[/quote]
Holy take-home point of the year, Batman! We would have fewer threads on this website if more people realized this.
Well, but that would take the fun out of knocking things
To go a little further with it: While it would never happen, let’s say a pro bb’er asks whether he ought to switch to [insert name of some program popular with some beginners and intermediates that is definitely not the way the vast majority of successful advanced lifters train.] The answer would be no.
Of course, he would know better than to ask that. Which is why it would never happen.
But if a beginner or intermediate is doing such a program and making good progress and is happy and enthused, why take the wind out of his sails?
That’s not to say that a specific might not be advised, such as it would help if you added this, or you’re putting too high a percentage of your workout time into that, etc, but if he has the positive mental factor for him really going and is making good progress, then there’s just no point in knocking his program. In the context of his using it. And it might well be counterproductive to get him to switch to something “better,” even if that better thing really has proven itself better over time among successful advanced lifters. Even if might be better for this person as well if he were equally enthused about it and had equal belief in it, if that’s not the case it may well not be. If he has that going for him, that’s not trivial.
Flip side: that isn’t to say that the fundamentals don’t remain true, or that if something is fundamentally wrong then “as long as he likes it then it is good.” I am talking about intelligent programs that, while not agreeing with what we think is the best way in every regard, are still in fact capable of giving good results for a significant period of time with their target audience and in fact do so for many.
[quote]Growing_Boy wrote:
Bricknyce wrote:
Right guys; the woman has no right to like a particular physique because she’s not a bodybuilding judge and has a different vision of what a fit-looking guy looks like. She also has to walk on literary egg shells; that is, she shouldn’t use the word fit. Perhaps ripped or jacked would be more appropriate for you.
She’s also not allowed to give a compliment to a fitness author.
Oh, and that guy can’t be fit unless he’s an NPC behemoth or possible future IFBB pro.
Here we go again. This IS a bodybuilding forum last time I checked. A couple of us are gunning for 300 motherfucking lbs. To me a “fit” guy is a guy with nice abs, weighs no more than 180lbs (and that pushing it) and rarely trains his lower body because he doesn’t want to get too bulky or unfunctional. He has no place in a bodybuilding forum, IMO. Where we are going it isn’t a motherfucking bodyparts contest.
/rant[/quote]
I’m a “fit” guy who trains lower body three times per week, once squatted 500 for 3, and weighs 221 as of this morning.
Thanks.
[quote]Bricknyce wrote:
Growing_Boy wrote:
Bricknyce wrote:
Right guys; the woman has no right to like a particular physique because she’s not a bodybuilding judge and has a different vision of what a fit-looking guy looks like. She also has to walk on literary egg shells; that is, she shouldn’t use the word fit. Perhaps ripped or jacked would be more appropriate for you.
She’s also not allowed to give a compliment to a fitness author.
Oh, and that guy can’t be fit unless he’s an NPC behemoth or possible future IFBB pro.
Here we go again. This IS a bodybuilding forum last time I checked. A couple of us are gunning for 300 motherfucking lbs. To me a “fit” guy is a guy with nice abs, weighs no more than 180lbs (and that pushing it) and rarely trains his lower body because he doesn’t want to get too bulky or unfunctional. He has no place in a bodybuilding forum, IMO. Where we are going it isn’t a motherfucking bodyparts contest.
/rant
I’m a “fit” guy who trains lower body three times per week, once squatted 500 for 3, and weighs 221 as of this morning.
Thanks. [/quote]
Oh, I just suffered third degree burns from that comeback.
[quote]Bricknyce wrote:
However, I haven’t chosen to question her on it because I’m assuming I know what she means. She means that she thought the guy looked good, plain and simple.
And I’m not saying this to be condescending towards her, but she probably doesn’t know where the people on this forum are coming from and/or might not have extensive knowledge or insight in all things bodybuilding and fitness. [/quote]
1- there is an entire SAMA forum if she wants to talk about a hot guy working out.
2- 400+ posts on this site and she doesnt have any extensive knowledge into bodybuilding or fitness, or where the majority of posters are coming from? that would make her one of ‘those’ people, wouldnt it?
her post was an advertisement.
[quote]Growing_Boy wrote:
Bricknyce wrote:
Growing_Boy wrote:
Bricknyce wrote:
Right guys; the woman has no right to like a particular physique because she’s not a bodybuilding judge and has a different vision of what a fit-looking guy looks like. She also has to walk on literary egg shells; that is, she shouldn’t use the word fit. Perhaps ripped or jacked would be more appropriate for you.
She’s also not allowed to give a compliment to a fitness author.
Oh, and that guy can’t be fit unless he’s an NPC behemoth or possible future IFBB pro.
Here we go again. This IS a bodybuilding forum last time I checked. A couple of us are gunning for 300 motherfucking lbs. To me a “fit” guy is a guy with nice abs, weighs no more than 180lbs (and that pushing it) and rarely trains his lower body because he doesn’t want to get too bulky or unfunctional. He has no place in a bodybuilding forum, IMO. Where we are going it isn’t a motherfucking bodyparts contest.
/rant
I’m a “fit” guy who trains lower body three times per week, once squatted 500 for 3, and weighs 221 as of this morning.
Thanks.
Oh, I just suffered third degree burns from that comeback. [/quote]
It’s not a comeback. I don’t give a shit about any “comeback”; I’m not in high school.
I gotta go, guys. I have some things to do. Remind me to make way and fall to the ground and begin groveling when I see a huge guy… because…
… he’s HUUUUUUUUUUGE!
Hypno,
I have no problem with advertising, or any form of propaganda for that matter.
LOL I’d love to see the look on her face if the story was indeed true and she comes back to see 3 pages of this about her little thread.
Anyways if you have a basic understanding of lifting and the real bodybuilding world. Fittest is a real vague word to use in this realm. I mean what’s this mean? He was big and near contest shape shredded? He could jump into an ironman marathon at any day?
Specifics pertaining to bodybuilding are needed echoing what others have said this is the “Bodybuilding” forum. If this person didn’t have a holy shit this guy lifts look I don’t think he is warranted a whole thread dedicated to him.
I still wanna see the fucking numbers.
For you guys, why don’t we freakin’ start to be told what to do instead of thinking our own programs. Come on! the worst that could happen to us is an injury, it can’t be that bad!
I wonder what LaBuff has to say about this thread.
[quote]MEYMZ wrote:
I still wanna see the fucking numbers.
For you guys, why don’t we freakin’ start to be told what to do instead of thinking our own programs. Come on! the worst that could happen to us is an injury, it can’t be that bad!
I wonder what LaBuff has to say about this thread.[/quote]
Yeah, what would LaBuff say on the matter. He’d probably agree with Bryck
Agree with me on what? That I take into account that non-fanatics are going to find their way onto this forum?
[quote]Krissa wrote:
I just thought I would post about something that happened at the gym tonight.
My husband and I were in the gym together. He looks at me and says, “That guy right there is hands down the fittest guy in this gym.” I kinda watch the guy for a while to see what he was doing. I did like his workout. So I decide to quickly ask him where he gets his workouts. (I know, annoying but I had to!)
He says, (English was a second language for sure)
“Huge in a Hurry. I found the book. They sent it to me. They said if I like, I keep. If I dont like, I send back. But, I like it so I keep it. I do it. I love it.”
Funny thing is, he had no idea who wrote it or what T-Nation is. I love the people who just find a program and do it. No over analyzing things. They just DO IT! They are the ones who just get the job done.
He was “unloading” this week. He was VERY fit and he was working very hard. We were impressed.[/quote]
I guess my main questions are:
And you are? And your husband is who?
Why does it matter that you were impressed?
lol
[quote]Gillium-001 wrote:
Growing_Boy wrote:
MEYMZ wrote:
I still wanna see the fucking numbers.
For you guys, why don’t we freakin’ start to be told what to do instead of thinking our own programs. Come on! the worst that could happen to us is an injury, it can’t be that bad!
I wonder what LaBuff has to say about this thread.
Yeah, what would LaBuff say on the matter. He’d probably agree with Bryck
Whoa, whoa now! Let’s not jump to conclusions. None of us know how LaBuff would weigh in on this discussion. Hell, my guess is that he wouldn’t even bother chiming in. His methods are way too advanced and outside of the scope of this forum.
Now maybe if we were having a “Making bitches cream wit yo hawt abz” discussion, he’d show up to spread his word.[/quote]
I agree, he’s probably sitting on his celestial throne clenching his abs right about now
[quote]Bricknyce wrote:
Agree with me on what? That I take into account that non-fanatics are going to find their way onto this forum? [/quote]
LOL chill out brother.
Where’s the chick? Maybe she had the ‘drivethruhero effect’.