Perhaps he’s talking about the people who expect every Democratic presidential candidate to raise their hands in unison when asked if healthcare should be provided to illegal immigrants.
Or is this now considered a moderate position?
First I have to say to all how great it is to finally not be talking to a Jew hating Holocaust denying white supremacist.
Now are you calling the base the furthest left people? Because we may be confusing each other with what we mean by base in this regard.
I think the majority of Democrats identify as Judeo Christian. I think it’s entirely possible to be that and still feel annoyed at calls to bring prayer to school and things of that nature.
As for the middle I don’t agree. The middle doesn’t agree with saying American citizens need to leave the country. The middle doesn’t think a Jew that voted for Democrats in 2018 isn’t loyal. The middle supports doing something on gun control. And the middle doesn’t support the wall. Almost 2/3 of Americans in the last poll I saw said they support free trade.
This has already been in place since the mid 80’s.
Strange… Obama must’ve missed the open borders/free healthcare memo.
The concept of a democrat base requires that it be made up of Democrats.
Nor did I claim you did.
To reiterate, you should make a point to meet some Democrats. Drawing your conclusions about the democrat base when you clearly haven’t met many of them isn’t doing you any favors.
Are the majority of Democrats not judeo Christian? At least in America? These are the kind of right wing talking points that suddenly vanish when you transition from getting your news from sources, or actually talking to people.
Edit: happy to admit the Dems are the only party that takes the separation of church and state seriously, so that’s probably where the stigma comes from
But we already do the healthcare part and have for a long time. As for the borders it seems most want comprehensive immigration reform. The Dream Act has long been popular amongst the majority of Americans.
You’re saying that the policy ideas uniformly expressed during the Democratic primaries have actually been mainstream since the 80s and I’ve somehow managed to miss it?
I guess I must’ve completely misunderstood Obama six years ago too.
You mean like when Reid wanted to end birthright citizenship for illegals? The Dems haven’t moved left at all.
Would you also argue that Medicare and Obama care are also radical leftist policies?
How about propping up farmers with billions of dollars in yearly subsidies?
I’m saying we’ve been giving healthcare to illegals since the mid 80’s.
I’m not arguing they haven’t moved left. I think both parties are headed away from the middle and that’s a huge problem.
But it’s a bit weird for me to see all this stuff coming from Trump to get rid of when his own wife essentially did it all and then got her parents in with the chain migration he demonizes.
Sure, but wouldn’t you agree that the newfound open border policy combined with fully funded healthcare for illegal immigrants who would no longer be prosecuted represents a radical departure from anything we’ve seen?
Or is this just all in my head? Nothing to see here, farmers get subsidies, Obamacare is a thing, right wing paranoia, etc?
I’m not sure how many are pushing for a border policy with no rules. To me that’s open borders. If you have any type of rules or process that’s not open borders (at least to me). I’m really not familiar with where all the candidates stand since I believe they still have about 36,000 people running for President. However I can’t think the answer is to put people in detention centers for forever. It could just be an overreaction to what the majority of Americans see as cruel. And I don’t think not supporting a wall is open borders. Again most Americans don’t want a wall. And most Americans support dream and have for quite a while I believe.
My point with the farmers are that the right yells socialism 24/7 yet has no issue with their socialism. It seems like they don’t want socialism that benefits poor people. If it helps the wealthy then bring it on.
I don’t think you’re paranoid in the least bit we just view things a bit differently. But like I said thank god I’m not talking to a Holocaust denier.
And FWIW I disagree with Democrats on a great many things. I’d qualify myself as moderate on almost everything. I don’t know what is meant by healthcare for illegals. I completely support the healthcare we have been giving them since the 80’s though. Hospitals should save someone’s life even if they have no money, health insurance, or aren’t in the country legally.
All but two, it seems. But you’re right. I shouldn’t pay any attention to what these people say when I watch them on TV. I should pay attention to what other people say they say, or something.
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Have I said you shouldn’t pay attention to the TV? I’m not sure how I can be right on things I’m not saying.
What are you saying?
We were talking about the radical democratic base Jewbacca mentioned, which you don’t seem to think is radical.
I gave an unambiguous example of an extremely radical policy uniformly supported by the entire field of Democratic candidates. Policy that wouldn’t even be up for debate eight years ago.
What’s left to clear up?
I responded to him that I didn’t think the base was socialist and anti-Christian. I think if open borders is everyone coming in with no rules then that’s something I don’t support. I’m also not that worried about it. If elected it’s not happening. The front runner doesn’t truly support it. I don’t get too worked up by the primaries. You always have to pander and you move towards the center when you win the nomination.
I remember a candidate who said everyone was going to get healthcare and it was going to be cheaper. This is probably still a radical idea for Republicans. That Mexico would pay for a border wall. Being against free trade was unheard of before Trump. It was considered a hallmark of Republicans to be against tariffs.
We provide healthcare to inmates. We provide it to enemy troops. We provide it to people overseas. Why wouldn’t we provide it to illegals?
And open borders is a conservative idea.
Of course. They were surely pandering to the socialist fringe with all of their socialist positions.
I’m on board now that I know they’re just lying about their intentions to implement radically transformative policies that cannot be undone.
It seems so silly to be worried about now.
Who was the President pandering to when he said he would give everyone healthcare at a cheaper rate? Did you think that radical policy that couldn’t be undone would happen? Of course not because you know it was a dumbass thing said by a dumbass.
I’ve said before if I was running I’d promise everything under the sun. The American people don’t care about specifics anyways. They don’t care about the debt. And they don’t care if you promise something and then don’t deliver. I think I’d be unbeatable if I could get over lying to everyone. That’s probably why I’m not a politician.