You guys are acting like the Dems are being all introspective. That is every bit as much a joke as GOP doing so.
An initative was called out by a media talking head. Prior to an obvious condemnation, which Dems were calling out the others?
In my opinion a small scale battle has gone on for a while between people like AOC and Pelosi/others. My point was that it feels like Democrat’s aren’t afraid to call out other Democrats or question what the ideals of the party should be. Not to mention that poster has been shouting about the Democrats “eating each other” for a while now.
I don’t think this is happening on the other side where everyone tiptoes around so as not to anger Trump. About the only time they will do that is if it’s something obvious you should probably call out like his dumbass go back to your country quote.
You mean all the never trump Republicans that basically quit? Or the tea party members that wanted to primary everyone to the left of Ted Cruz? Party infighting happens on both sides man.
Yes I’ve brought up both these examples with Pat before who constantly talks about Democrats fighting with each other as a negative.
I’m not saying Republicans have never had infighting merely that I view them as pretty much a whisper as Trump does yet another thing that is opposite of what they wanted a few years ago.
I truly think you’d see Republicans say more if it was someone like Obama, Bush, Regan. Someone who might give it back to an extent but wouldn’t be on a mission to destroy you for speaking out.
But mostly I was responding to Pat in the sense of parties should be fighting with one another. I actually thought the tea party movement was a healthy sign for Republicans even if it may have cost them some spots.
I’d much rather have parties that questioned if what they were doing is something they should do than what I believe Republicans are doing with Trump.
The never trumpers who left the party are the most principled of all. The Lindsey Graham’s of the world are puke worthy.
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I think the other phenomenon we’ve failed to highlight is there’s way less infighting when a party has won the White House. Everyone kind of bands together and shuts up a bit (problems handled in house). It’s the party that’s out of power that does their soul searching and bickering out loud.
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Abraham screwing Hagar and generating Arabs.
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The Democrats are in a bit of a pickle. Their base is unhinged from reality, much more so than even the fervent Trumpers (who are not great).
The Democrat base are socialists.
They have a deep hatred of religious people (excepting Muslims and eastern religions, which is confusing because Muslim theology is deeply intolerant of gays, women, and really liberalism.
The Democrat base is also deeply anti-white and, to a lesser extent, anti-male.
That’s a hard group of people to wrangle while trying to appear normal.
You should try meeting a few Dems IRL. They’ll end up being far different than the media’s version of your average Dem.
Same concept obviously also applies to the right.
You’re saying they have a deep hatred of themselves?
As for the socialist part I don’t think that’s true though the coverage would have you believe it. Biden’s far from a socialist and last I checked the Republican “base” sure didn’t mind Trump giving away billions to farmers.
I always enjoy that the leftist media is full of slime slandering people of the right (to which I’ll typically agree) but the right media is dead on accurate when employing the exact same tactics.
The left might have MORE media, but the right is so much better at it
The right has no problem with socialism for big business.
Health care for poor people? That’s the socialism we can all reject.
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If they are opening conversations, they why are they trying to always shut down conversation? It’s not evident that these factions are talking to one another. One is shouting the other side down, the center is talking to the right.
That’s not evident at all. Unity beats division every time. Are least the right has a home, moderate to classical liberals have no home. The left has lost their fucking minds, coo coo clocks all striking midnight at all times.
The good news is we’re both happy about it.
Trump gets criticized 24/7, 8 days a week by people in both parties. You want more trump coverage?? Go look on any major news page and do a Ctrl-F and type ‘trump’ and see how many places light up.
If that’s true how come the Democrats did so well in 2018? Why are they leading Trump by substantial amounts? Unity isn’t good if you won’t call out your leader when he’s being insane.
I think your second point is false. Do you think fiscal and social conservatives feel like they have a home under Trump? Fiscal of course don’t and socially they have a President who runs counter to everything they say someone should be.
No I think the Democratic Party needs to be moderate so when they get away from that I’m not happy in the least bit. But they are on track to have a real chance to oust Trump and that makes me happy. And if they don’t they are certainly on track to limit his zaniness by controlling both chambers and that makes me happy.
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You can’t have it both ways. First you say they are unified then you say his own party is criticizing him a lot which I don’t think is true in the least bit.
I’ve never said he doesn’t get coverage. Of course you get coverage when you say Americans should leave. When you say Jews aren’t loyal if they don’t vote for him. When you’re for something on Monday and oppose your own words on Tuesday.
I’m waiting to meet these purpled hair socialists.
Wow, that description of Democrats doesn’t jive with 90+% of the folks I know and i live in arguably the most liberal area of the country. Sure, Seattle is a little off it’s rocker right now, but expect to see a reaction to the craziness in the next election cycle. Not to mention, Seattle makes up less than 20% of the population of the puget sound area, which is liberal but very moderate.
Don’t fall for a sensationalist media narrative.
You and @H_factor and @Californiagrown are confusing “Democrats” with “Democrat base”. Not the same thing.
I did not same “Democrats”, writ large. I said “Democrat base”.
Nor did I claim the Republicans (or Trumpers) are anything great or good.
The Republican base is merely less extreme from their distance from the middle than the very radical Democrat base – which is socialist, anti-religious (or perhaps more correctly, anti-Judeo Christian), and anti-white (including plenty of self-hating whites).
The Democrat base is so far off from the middle that one of their major complaints against Biden is he is a white male.
So you’re saying the Democrats have a very small base? We are likely talking past each other… What do you mean by Democrat base?
I always thought unions were the base.