The UN vs. Israel

Off Topic Politics, World Issues
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A fresh report by a UN South African envoy about Israeli Apartheid policies:

“A UN human rights envoy has compared Israel’s occupation of the Palestinian territories to elements of apartheid.
The UN’s Special Rapporteur, John Dugard, describes the regime as being designed to dominate and systematically oppress the occupied population.
Mr Dugard is a South African professor of international law assigned to monitor Israeli human rights abuses.
He has extensively studied apartheid in South Africa and has compared it to what he saw under Israeli rule.”

Seeing how Reagan and Thatcher openly supported Apartheid South Africa in the 80s, is it any wonder that their successors support Israel?

I rest my case.

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What would you do if a segment of the swedish population decided that they no longer wanted swedes to have a right to exist and then started to bomb your families, your schools and your churches?
After a certain amount of time and having at least 1 relative killed by a bomb you decide to crack down.

You tell them, you can’t come into swedish territory, you can’t have access to institutions, and you can’t move from place to place freely until you stop blowing up everyone I know.
Well, guess who is in the wrong according to you? Go ask the UN for the terrorists to stop blowing up your cousins, your neighbors, your children, your parents, your sisters and brothers. The UN says well, we will issue an edict saying ‘your terrorist behavior is unnaceptable’. And thats it.
What will you do? You will build a fence and discriminate against anyone who looks like they might shoot you if they could get away with it. You will do this and enforce strict movement rules until the killing stops.

Africa apartheid was started by whites trying to keep blacks down.

Israeli Palestinian problems and discrimation is started when a terrorist group says, ‘you have no right to exist and we will scare you with terror, and exterminate you with bombs’

Go figure

I rest my case

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[quote]Hawkson101 wrote:
What would you do if a segment of the swedish population decided that they no longer wanted swedes to have a right to exist and then started to bomb your families, your schools and your churches?
After a certain amount of time and having at least 1 relative killed by a bomb you decide to crack down.

You tell them, you can’t come into swedish territory, you can’t have access to institutions, and you can’t move from place to place freely until you stop blowing up everyone I know.
Well, guess who is in the wrong according to you? Go ask the UN for the terrorists to stop blowing up your cousins, your neighbors, your children, your parents, your sisters and brothers. The UN says well, we will issue an edict saying ‘your terrorist behavior is unnaceptable’. And thats it.
What will you do? You will build a fence and discriminate against anyone who looks like they might shoot you if they could get away with it. You will do this and enforce strict movement rules until the killing stops.

Africa apartheid was started by whites trying to keep blacks down.

Israeli Palestinian problems and discrimation is started when a terrorist group says, ‘you have no right to exist and we will scare you with terror, and exterminate you with bombs’

Go figure

I rest my case [/quote]

But Israel has been illegally occupying Palestine against international law for 40 years. There is “terrorism” in Israel because Palestine doesn’t have F16’s, tanks and cluster bombs.

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[quote]Hawkson101 wrote:
What would you do if a segment of the swedish population decided that they no longer wanted swedes to have a right to exist and then started to bomb your families, your schools and your churches?
[/quote]

You’re making it sound as if the Palestinians woke up one morning and decided to fight Israel.

No sane people fight an exponentially more powerful army without good reason.

The conflict has a history and roots that your analogy fails to take into consideration.

The Palestinians didn’t decide the Israelis don’t have a right to exist, rather they decided that the oppression, torture, expropriation and humiliation they were subjected to by the Israel government should be fought, no matter how lost-in-advance the cause is.

“Human beings are so made that the ones who do the crushing feel nothing; it is the person crushed who feels what is happening. Unless one has placed oneself on the side of the oppressed, to feel with them, one cannot understand.” – Simone Weil

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[quote]lixy wrote:
No sane people fight an exponentially more powerful army without good reason.
[/quote]

That may well be one of the greatest propaganda hoaxes of all time.

That Israel, who has illegally occupied two countries continuously for decades, and has arguably one of the strongest military forces in the world, has people convinced they’re a VICTIM of Palestine.

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[quote]lixy wrote:
The Palestinians didn’t decide the Israelis don’t have a right to exist, rather they decided that the oppression, torture, expropriation and humiliation they were subjected to by the Israel government should be fought, no matter how lost-in-advance the cause is.
[/quote]

I’m not positive, but I thought that some middle eastern countries/organizations have sworn to destroy Israel.

I don’t have any sources or anything to back me up, but that was always my understanding.

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On a similar note, return US land back to Native Americans.

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Oh, and I guess the Arabs are regretting that Six day war thing.

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[quote]burntfrenchfry wrote:
I’m not positive, but I thought that some middle eastern countries/organizations have sworn to destroy Israel.[/quote]

On the other hand, I’m positive that Bush not only called for the destruction of other countries (axis of evil?), but acts on those threats and litteraly destroys countries.

Let me know which countries/organizations you have in mind.

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[quote]Sloth wrote:
On a similar note, return US land back to Native Americans.[/quote]

Are there any left?

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[quote]Sloth wrote:
Oh, and I guess the Arabs are regretting that Six day war thing. [/quote]

Did Jesus of Nazareth regret his crucifixion? Did Martin Luther King regret being shot? You can’t regret something you didn’t chose. Are you under the impression that Arabs were the ones who attacked Israel in 67? If so, you may wanna brush up on your history 101 first.

Israel was the one who initiated military action during the Six-Day War.

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[quote]lixy wrote:
Sloth wrote:
Oh, and I guess the Arabs are regretting that Six day war thing.

Did Jesus of Nazareth regret his crucifixion? Did Martin Luther King regret being shot? You can’t regret something you didn’t chose. Are you under the impression that Arabs were the ones who attacked Israel in 67? If so, you may wanna brush up on your history 101 first.

Israel was the one who initiated military action during the Six-Day War.[/quote]

I agree with you in general about the Palestinians, but you might want to brush up on your history here, if you aren’t being deliberately obtuse. Israel attacked the Arab armies first in 1967, because they were massing to attack Israel. It was a justifiable preemptive war.

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[quote]lixy wrote:
Sloth wrote:
On a similar note, return US land back to Native Americans.

Are there any left?[/quote]

Of course… they are buying it back a little at a time. Gamble much?

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[quote]lixy wrote:
Sloth wrote:
On a similar note, return US land back to Native Americans.

Are there any left?[/quote]

Yep.

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[quote]lixy wrote:
Sloth wrote:
Oh, and I guess the Arabs are regretting that Six day war thing.

Did Jesus of Nazareth regret his crucifixion? Did Martin Luther King regret being shot? You can’t regret something you didn’t chose. Are you under the impression that Arabs were the ones who attacked Israel in 67? If so, you may wanna brush up on your history 101 first.

Israel was the one who initiated military action during the Six-Day War.[/quote]

You might recall arab armies massing on Israel borders for war? You might recall the Arabs attempting to divert water from Israel? I’m rather aware of that history. You might want to read it.

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Actually we need to look back to around 1948:

The UN Report Prepared in 1948 for Ralphe Bunche, New UN Commissioner to Palestine

Foreword: In view of the tragic assassination of Count Folke Bernadotte by identified Jewish terrorists on September 17 of this year, the following report has been prepared for the use of Dr. Bunche, Count Bernadotte’s immediate replacement.

This report is a compilation of all identified terrorist attacks on British, American and Arab individuals and entities in the assassination of the British Resident Minister in the Middle East on November 6, 1944 by members of the terrorist Jewish Stern gang to the assassination of Count Bernadotte on September 17, 1948 by members of this same gang of fanatics.

This information is compiled from reports of the US Department of State, the British Foreign Office and various American and British press services.

New York, October 1, 1948

January 18, 1945, Cairo. The British supreme military court sentenced the murderers of Lord Moyne to death. Both killers admitted their act and also admitted their membership in the Stern gang which they said ordered the killings as a warning to the British not to interfere with future Jewish immigration to Jerusalem…

July 22, 1946, Jerusalem. The west wing of the King David Hotel in Jerusalem which housed British Military Headquarters and other governmental offices was destroyed at 12:57 PM by explosives planted in the cellar by members of the Irgun terrorist gang. By the 26 of July, the casualties were 76 persons killed, 46 injured and 29 still missing in the rubble. The dead included many British, Arabs and Jews…

November 9 through November 13, 1946, Palestine. Nineteen persons, eleven British soldiers and policemen and eight Arab constables, were killed in Palestine during this period as Jewish terrorists, using land mines and suitcase bombs, increased their attacks on railroad stations, trains and even streetcars…

November 30- December 6, 1947, Palestine. A week of disorders brought on by Arab wrath over the UN’s decision to partition the Holy Land ended with at least 159 killed in the Middle East, 66 in Palestine. While Jews in Palestine, Europe and the US. celebrated and began planning their new state and the UN moved to implement its plan, war talk was rife throughout the Arab world…

It becomes clearly evident that the partition is not going as planned and that although the Jews are pleased, the Arabs are not. There appears to be no way to control the Jews or their determination to drive all of the Arabs out of Jerusalem by force if necessary. The Arabs, initially living in peace with the Jewish minority, have been increasingly victimized by the Jews who, now that the British are leaving, are turning their savage behavior against them.

The Jews have redoubled their efforts to build a military force and arm them. They claim that this force is to protect the Jewish population against attacks from the Arab countries as well as the Arab population of Jerusalem but an even stronger argument can be made that the Zionists are determined to drive out the Arab population by armed force.

The initial Arab response to Jewish harassment over the past year has been very slow in coming but it seems to be quite inevitable and a terrible civil war is foreseen…

As many of the Zionists are Russian or Polish in origin, these Communist Russians have been received gladly by the Jewish extremists and quickly blend in with the local populations. Soviet interest in Middle East oil and an overriding interest in obtaining warm-water ports are a prime factor in their interest in a Jewish state in Palestine…
http://www.doublestandards.org/unbunche.html

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[quote]GDollars37 wrote:
I agree with you in general about the Palestinians, but you might want to brush up on your history here, if you aren’t being deliberately obtuse. Israel attacked the Arab armies first in 1967, because they were massing to attack Israel. It was a justifiable preemptive war.[/quote]

By that logic, if Iran sent jets to bomb NY right now, it’d be “justifiable preemptive war”. Last time I checked, US troops were massing to attack Iran.

Nasser massing his troops along the border was a strategic mistake, but the original poster made it sound like they attacked first by saying that Arabs “regret” the war. I just pointed out that it could have ended without bloodshed.

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[quote]hedo wrote:
Of course… they are buying it back a little at a time. Gamble much?[/quote]

LOL

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  1. 1948
    a. Israel is granted to the Jews after agitation. Jewish militarism is unacceptable and regretful.
    b. Palestinians, and the surrounding countries fight Israelis. There is no ‘exponentially stronger force’. Israel wins bc of better coordination because of having to fight in WWII for the allies.

  2. 1967 Egypt, Syria, Jordan, Lebanon put their tanks on the border and prepare for war. War edict is issued but Israel overhears code for war and strikes first.
    War was started by the ARABS.

  3. Israel won in 48 by conventional military means. War is War and no one really wins. 60 years later, Palestinians are using terrorism to try to win it back. Terrorist organizations vow the destruction of Israel.

Israel defends itself with walls and tanks. Defend is the key word, because it has no interest in killing or attacking. Israel wants peace. Again

Israel wants peace

the arabs want destruction

Israel wants peace

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[quote]Hawkson101 wrote:
Israel wants peace

the arabs want destruction[/quote]

Unfortunately, this is the conception that prevails in the US. I have absolutely no idea how you guys manage to remain so uninformed but it’s yet another example of how biased your media is.

There is consensus that the Arab-Israeli conflict was ignited by the Deir Yassin massacre where hundreds of villagers were slaughtered (children, women and elders alike) by the Zionist armed factions. There is no going around that fact. It’s clear who the aggressor is here.

The US and Israel have rejected most serious proposals by the international community to end the conflict. Israel keeps on building settlements and destroying Palestinian homes. That alone is proof enough of them not seeking any form of peace.

The Palestinian people want peace.
Their government too.

The Israeli people want peace.
Their government don’t.