Tlaib and Omar Barred from Israel

I don’t know if he is registered as a Democrat but he is a self claimed democrats. He had a mighty low opinion of libertarians. He has said libertarians are crazy as shit.
He does criticize both Republican and democrats, but he bats from the left.
He criticizes the extreme behavior on the way-left, he criticizes policy and people on the right.

Who is mostly to blame for the Palestinian-Israeli conflict?

You flunked Venn diagrams in school, didn’t you?

JB is gainfully employed. Hard to meet Democrats when you are at a place where people work hard.

In the bright side, Bernie just called for the nationalization of oil companies— to fight global warming.

Worked so well in Venezuela, let’s do it here!

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Iran. They finance the terror. Used to be Saudi, but they stopped.

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Apparently.

Weirdly so am I. And I don’t struggle to meet Dems at all. And I come from an almost exclusively GOP leaning family.

What are these new radical socialist policies that all the democratic candidates support?

I just explained it. I gave two links.

Scroll up please.

Is military spending socialism? K-12 public schools?

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You’re allowed to think but if you strip away the varnish and tarnish and look at policy alone, Trump is actually quite moderate. Save from the few never-trumpers most conservatives are pretty happy right now.

The democrats “success” in 2018 was not that great. Polls had the dems flipping both houses but the reps grew their lead in the Senate and did not lose as many seat as projected in the house. So it was a modest victory for the “orange man bad” crowd. It was hardly the moratorium dems were looking for.

Sure the dems need to move to the center but They have not, they have moved hard left. And the only moderate candidate with a shot is Biden. The two behind him are far left. Further, Bernie doesn’t have the fire he had 4 years ago.

Immigration is a small piece of the governments policy. Is immigration your big beef here?

It is the first and most obvious example I could think of when you and others seemed puzzled why someone might believe the Democratic Party has shifted much further from the center than the Republicans have.

It was a big victory especially when looking at state level races combined with the national ones.

Most rational people never thought the Senate would flip. It was stacked to the core for Republicans. The margin of victory was the biggest in history I believe for Democrats if I remember correctly. Or at least midterms?

Then fiscal and social conservatives don’t stand for the same things they used to. Trump hasn’t even attempted to be fiscally responsible and has openly said it doesn’t matter at all. Socially he’s a monster who has cheated on every woman and admitted to sexual assault, paid off porn stars, the whole deal. If he’s done anything it’s proven that social conservatives don’t care how politicians act.

Trump would ban “assault rifles” and introduce universal background checks and red flag laws if he didn’t get checked by the NRA. That’s the real Trump. He lived in NYC which had, under a Republican mayor, some of the toughest gun laws in the world. He never complained about those laws and he admires the job Giuliani did. We can say the same about Chris Christie and gun rights. So it’s not about what Trump really believes but how he is willing to set aside what he thinks is right in order to get votes.

I listed numerous positions where I believed Republicans have moved away from the center.

Yes, you did.

And you disagree?

If your premise is that Republicans have changed their policy positions as much as democrats have, yes.

I think deep down Trump probably think most hardcore 2A people are freaks and he wouldn’t hunt or fish if you paid him.

He might be the least “regular joe” type the Republicans have ever run.

You don’t view their change on tariffs as massive shifts from their rhetoric for quite a while? How about their complete silence on fiscal matters? Hell I’d probably add their silence on health care after talking about what they would do the moment they returned to power for 8 years as a flip.

I think you might be making the immigration policy bigger than it is (or at least making it go above any other points). Most of their other stuff is stuff they have been for for a long time just maybe in higher degrees than argued for say in 2008. At least on the whole. With 45 million candidates everyone says some weird things to stick out.

Who’s moving more would be tough to define. We will see how much the winner tacks towards the center when it all shakes out. I think they will quite a bit with the exception maybe of Bernie.

What do you mean? In 1948 there was a war and one side lost, despite having a massive superiority in men, arms and fielding a formidable Arab Legion staffed by British officers. But thanks do the indomitable courage of Palestinian Jews and material support from their communist friends, the nascent State of Israel survived.

Israelis expelled the Palestinians and had things gone as they usually had gone before, the Palestinians would have formed exile communities in Cairo, Tunis or Algiers where with the passing of the years increasingly older men would sip apple tea and bitterly reminisce how they “unfairly” lost the war.

Greeks of Asia Minor, French of North Africa - all have gone down this route. A generation or two down the line their children would have assimilated into the host Arab nation, despite frequent flag waving and references to “the catastrophe”

However, the new Arab nations collectively decided that the Palestinians are more useful to them as permanent refugees, living in sort of suspended animation in the squalor of refugee camps just across the border from their former homes - a statement of intent that this fate of theirs was only temporary and that it’s a matter of months before the Jews are driven into the sea by the collective might of the Arabs.

Months turned years, years into decades and successive wars against Israel failed spectacularly. What’s more, buoyed by it’s success Israel went on the offensive, conquering East Jerusalem and for an intoxicating decade entertained the dream of a Middle Eastern empire, encompassing the whole of “Judea and Samaria” including the Sinai.

However, in the conquest of the West Bank and Gaza, Israel acquired more Palestinians, having only a year earlier begrudgingly addressed the status of Israeli Arabs who stayed in 1948.

And this is where the dilemma I’ve outlined above starts - Palestinians can’t and won’t leave and continue to procreate while Israel wants to keep them isolated, physically divided into tiny enclaves eking out an existence that doesn’t qualify as suffering, lest the international community be mobilized while settlers slowly claim every valuable yard of territory.

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