You’re asking the dude with 8 kids; no clue.
There were a lot of gay girls in one of my daughter’s units in the IDF. She said they were nice enough and weren’t mean or inappropriate to her because she is frum (and a objectively beautiful blonde).
Little confused here.
Are you talking about Arab members of the Knesset (like Congress in the USA) in Israel? They may be Muslim (or Nazarene) and Arab but, generally speaking, Israeli Arabs hate the lunatics in the Arab-occupied territories more than Israeli Jewish people dislike the lunatics. They make them look bad.
Arabs (and Druze) in Israel are just like every body else, same rights, etc., except generally richer and better educated than average Israelis (excepting the Bedouins who are way better off in Israel than they are anywhere else).
I definitely would want to see that!!
Unless your definition of lunatic differs drastically from mine, recent history does not support this assertion at all.
How fun. I wish our gay haters would just go the the plenty of countries where gay people are too scared to show themselves.
I was going to a bar this weekend and some dbag had a microphone talking about how God made genitals to be used a certain way. Usually we ignore these dipshits but I’d had a few whiskeys and talked to him for a bit with some friends. Just told him that he seems to think about what other people should do with their genitals a lot and I kept saying let’s go get you laid man. Of course my friend says we mean with a girl. He kept trying to go back to the Bible and I said dude life is way more fun not telling others what to do and getting laid.
We really tried to convince him to come get some drinks with us but he had important speaking on the street to do I guess. Next time I’m in Lawrence I’ll see if he’s still there and if I can get him to have a drink that doesn’t represent blood. Why wine when beer and whiskey exist?
On this map you’ve posted it’s marked with the numbers 1 and 2.
1 & 2 are territories of Israel
I was referring the US reps, asking if they have voiced support for Hamas. That would be very different than voicing support for Palestine or the PLO.
The PLO are no choir boys either. They are less than Hamas, but they have engaged in their fair share of terrorism.
Why are they marked separately then?
EDIT: That would make Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza citizens of Israel, no? Explain that to Lieberman and Bibi - that West Bank and Gaza are integral territories of the State of Israel and that you support the “one person - one vote” principle and see how that goes.
No one involved in this conflict is anything close to choir boys. Either side.
Probably fair to say that PLO and state of Israel are a few degrees more ethical than Hamas, though.
Yeah, what would someone who lives there know. Did you miss the Israeli qualifier before Arab?
The palestinian authority officially names streets after suicide bombers. They are the bad guys.
Sure, they’re adults in a bad situation. Very serious stuff.
Obviously, as a Jewish Israeli, I consider Israel about 4 standard deviations away from either the PLO and Hamas, but I base my position on simply the facts. Both the PLO and Hamas are genocidal organizations who cooked up completely fake grievances as justification for their hatred. Grievances that you apparently take on face value, since they’ve been telling the same lie for 40 years, and it’s pretty common for those without knowledge to accept them at face value. After all, that’s what the media and your schools probably told you.
As to comparing the PLO and Hamas. The PLO is older and more tired of death. And has less foreign money. But that’s about the extent of the difference between the two.
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FWIW, school (which was more than a decade ago for me) and the media are heavily biased towards Israel. And I grew up in one of the more Jewish towns in America. I had to get out of that bubble to see it wasn’t nearly as one sided as I’d been brought up to believe.
From what I can tell, it’s a purely punitive relationship between the two sides. No real intent to try and integrate peacefully. No real intent to improve the situation. Palestinians want to fight for their sovergn state, and Israel wants to oppress and imprison the Palestinian population as it has the best chance of keeping the Israeli population safe in the short term.
It’s gonna take one side to be “the bigger man”, and I think that responsibility falls on side with the Lions share of power.
I had the chance to speak with an Israeli journalist once. He said a big difference between the Israelis and the Palestinians is that the Israelis would never blow their own kids up. It was the one thing that they couldn’t understand. Wanting a homeland they could understand but killing your own kids was something different.
Integration is out of the question. The crux of the issue is that Israel has no idea what to do with Palestinians - basically all Israeli plans in the triumphant days after the 1967 Six Day War were that Arabs in the West Bank will “leave on their own”, as Moshe Dayan assured Rabin. That did not happen. Due to a myriad of factors Israel could not resort to cleansing the Arabs out of the West Bank en masse like the Arabs themselves have and would have done (Jews of North Africa and Iraq cough cough), so they were stuck with what was basically a military occupation.
What followed was a lot of legal wrangling - Israel was fighting tooth and nail to avoid being labeled as a “occupying power” because that would entail responsibility for the population of both Gaza and West Bank.
What @pat didn’t understand that Israel cannot annex “Judea and Samaria” outright because what are they supposed to do with the Palestinians? Israel’s politics was for decades defined by the “Arab time bomb”, the supposed superior fertility of Israeli Arabs in Israel proper which could have allegedly threatened the Jewish majority decades down the line. And that was for Israeli Arabs, not Palestinians.
So for the last couple of decades Israel is slowly building up the current formidable security infrastructure to physically separate Israel itself and the ever expanding settlements from the ever shrinking Palestinian bantustans, hoping that, I dunno, the Palestinians will eventually leave or that they will simply be out of sight, out of mind.
The issue of cheap Palestinian migrant day laborers was addressed with Thais and Eritreans so there’s no economic rationale to do anything.
Palestinians on the other hand are sitting in the shrinking bantustans, making babies and becoming crazier and crazier.
That’s why they’re making babies.
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I understand the situation just fine. We just disagree on the finer points. Israel can annex the occupied territories anytime they want to, it would just be an unpleasant political upheaval in the ME.
Israel won those territories fair and square as far as I am concerned. 6 countries declared war on them and they kicked their ass and took their land, in 6 days. 3 really if you account for the fact that Israel was losing the first 3 days.
What to do with the Palestinians? Deport Hamas and anybody with terrorist ties. That would cut the population in half. Then give each of the rest of the Palestinians a choice, renounce violence against Jews and Israel and acknowledge it’s right to exist as a path to citizenship, or a bus ticket to the nearest border.
That’s how it should be done if a 1 state solution is the way to go.
The UN initially proposed a 2 state solution from the start, unsurprisingly, the Palestinians would not support it until Israel was wiped off the map.
The result is Israel is on the map and Palestine is not.
This is a map of the United States. Each state is marked by a separate boarder from every other state, but it’s still one country.
It’s the same with Israel. Gaza and West Bank are territories, but the big boarder that surrounds all of them are the Israeli boarder.